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eriejwg 
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 Posted: 01 May 2008 at 1:28pm |
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My digital copy is from The Essentials: Firefall and also runs 3:22.
Was the essentials a Rhino or Atlantic release? |
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The Hits Man
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:00pm |
However, one could defend Rhino by noting that there were indeed more than one commercial 45s issued, particularly in the 70s. Trouble is, Rhino seemed to pick single versions that were not sold in my part of the country, or if Bill Inglot used an album version that he faded to approximate a single, he would err on running the song a bit longer than the 45. |
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Todd Ireland
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 7:25am |
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Well, I made that comment back in 2005 and since then, thanks in large part to this message board, we've helped uncover a number of cases where Rhino did not use correct 45 versions as previously thought. In any event, even though I think the quality of Rhino's products have declined in recent years, the label has managed to make quite a few 45 versions available on CD, which is in stark contrast to the rest of the U.S. record industry which too often issues only the LP version on CD over and over again.
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TimNeely
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There is no question whatsoever that there were two different commercial versions of "Strange Way." Oddly, both my freshman-year college roommate and I owned copies of this 45, and each of us had a different single version! Off the top of my head, I don't know all the edit points, but the copy I own has a faded ending; it starts to fade when the fast instrumental part of the song starts. My copy has a trail-off number of ST-A-35767-1, which matches the master number on the (3:50) label (and jimct's copy). The other commercial edit, if I recall, has the third verse ("Didn't you feel alone this morning") intact, but at the end of it, it tacks on the cold ending from the LP version (the three repeats of the line "That's a strange way to tell me you love me") rather than repeating the chorus and fading out. This probably has a different trail-off number. Edited by TimNeely |
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Bill Cahill
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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:12am |
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I picked up a promo copy on "Strange Way", it's a standard Atlantic Mono/Stereo promo, with both sides listing the song as 3:50.
The stereo side times out to 3:47 as reported here. The MONO side times out to be 3:50, the fade out is a little longer. So now we know where the 3:50 label time probably came from. |
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The Hits Man
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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 3:18pm |
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I think I read somewhere, where Pat more often than not
determines what a commercial version/length is on the basis of the DJ/promo copy he usually has. |
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crapfromthepast
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LP version
I have the LP version on Sessions/Mystic Music/Warner Special Products' 3-CD Secret Love (1987), where it runs 4:42. It sounds OK, with nice dynamic range, reasonable EQ, plenty of hiss on the fade and no evidence of noise reduction, but it's probably not from the lowest-generation source tapes. There are digital clones on:
The long 45 edit is available on an uncommon compilation from Platinum Disc Corporation called The Greatest Hits Of The 70's Vol. 6, which I don't have. It's also available on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 20 1978 Take Two (1991), but avoid this version at all costs because it slows down dramatically near the end of the song, much like some CD versions of the 45 version of "Le Freak". What's up with Atlantic 45 edits from 1978? Fortunately, the long 45 edit includes just one simple edit and an early fade of the LP version. Here are editing instructions, using Secret Love as the source; timings from the two Time-Life clones are very close. Segment 1 16 beats long Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:09.7 of the LP version and long 45 edit Remove the 12 beats from 0:09.7 to 0:16.7 of the LP version. Segment 2 Begins on a crash cymbal hit Extends from 0:09.7 to 3:47.5 of the long 45 edit Extends from 0:16.7 to 3:54.5 of the LP version Ends on a downbeat Fade 24 beats long, downbeat to downbeat Extends from 3:36.3 to 3:47.5 of the long 45 edit Extends from 3:43.3 to 3:54.5 of the LP version Your mixdown will run 3:47.5, with an edit at 0:09.7 and a fade from 3:36.3 to 3:47.5. Short 45 edit (from later pressings of commercial 45s; runs 3:21) This edit actually makes a lot more sense to my ears, since it cleanly cuts out a chorus and the whole uptempo instrumental portion near the end of the song. The short 45 edit is available on Rhino's Greatest Hits (1992), where it sounds much better than the LP version on Secret Love. Too bad this version doesn't turn up on any various-artist compilations. The short 45 edit includes two simple edits and no early fade. Here are editing instructions, using Secret Love as the source; timings from the two Time-Life clones are very close. Segment 1 16 beats long Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:09.7 of the LP version and short 45 edit Remove the 12 beats from 0:09.7 to 0:16.7 of the LP version. Segment 2 Begins on a crash cymbal hit Extends from 0:09.7 to 2:56.7 of the short 45 edit Extends from 0:16.7 to 3:03.7 of the LP version Ends at the snare hit that begins the chorus Remove 3:03.7 to 4:16.7 of the LP version, which includes the chorus and the entire uptempo instrumental portion. Segment 3 Begins on the snare hit that begins the chorus Extends from 2:56.7 to 3:25.4 (end) of the short 45 edit Extends from 4:16.7 to 4:45.4 (end) of the LP version Your mixdown will run 3:22 (excluding outro silence), or 3:25.4 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:09.7 and 2:56.7. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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