https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 25 Apr 2026 21:58:07 +0000 Sat, 16 May 2015 21:06:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=595 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=43632&title=firefall-strange-way#43632 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 595
Posted: 16 May 2015 at 9:06pm

LP version

I have the LP version on Sessions/Mystic Music/Warner Special Products' 3-CD Secret Love (1987), where it runs 4:42. It sounds OK, with nice dynamic range, reasonable EQ, plenty of hiss on the fade and no evidence of noise reduction, but it's probably not from the lowest-generation source tapes. There are digital clones on:

• Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 15 Once In A Lifetime (1997; digitally exactly 1 dB louder)
• Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 12 1975-1979 (2001; digitally exactly 1 dB louder)

Long 45 edit (from promo 45s and first pressings of commercial 45s; runs 3:47)

The long 45 edit is available on an uncommon compilation from Platinum Disc Corporation called The Greatest Hits Of The 70's Vol. 6, which I don't have. It's also available on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 20 1978 Take Two (1991), but avoid this version at all costs because it slows down dramatically near the end of the song, much like some CD versions of the 45 version of "Le Freak". What's up with Atlantic 45 edits from 1978?

Fortunately, the long 45 edit includes just one simple edit and an early fade of the LP version. Here are editing instructions, using Secret Love as the source; timings from the two Time-Life clones are very close.

Segment 1
16 beats long
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:09.7 of the LP version and long 45 edit

Remove the 12 beats from 0:09.7 to 0:16.7 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Begins on a crash cymbal hit
Extends from 0:09.7 to 3:47.5 of the long 45 edit
Extends from 0:16.7 to 3:54.5 of the LP version
Ends on a downbeat

Fade
24 beats long, downbeat to downbeat
Extends from 3:36.3 to 3:47.5 of the long 45 edit
Extends from 3:43.3 to 3:54.5 of the LP version

Your mixdown will run 3:47.5, with an edit at 0:09.7 and a fade from 3:36.3 to 3:47.5.

Short 45 edit (from later pressings of commercial 45s; runs 3:21)

This edit actually makes a lot more sense to my ears, since it cleanly cuts out a chorus and the whole uptempo instrumental portion near the end of the song.

The short 45 edit is available on Rhino's Greatest Hits (1992), where it sounds much better than the LP version on Secret Love. Too bad this version doesn't turn up on any various-artist compilations.

The short 45 edit includes two simple edits and no early fade. Here are editing instructions, using Secret Love as the source; timings from the two Time-Life clones are very close.

Segment 1
16 beats long
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:09.7 of the LP version and short 45 edit

Remove the 12 beats from 0:09.7 to 0:16.7 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Begins on a crash cymbal hit
Extends from 0:09.7 to 2:56.7 of the short 45 edit
Extends from 0:16.7 to 3:03.7 of the LP version
Ends at the snare hit that begins the chorus

Remove 3:03.7 to 4:16.7 of the LP version, which includes the chorus and the entire uptempo instrumental portion.

Segment 3
Begins on the snare hit that begins the chorus
Extends from 2:56.7 to 3:25.4 (end) of the short 45 edit
Extends from 4:16.7 to 4:45.4 (end) of the LP version

Your mixdown will run 3:22 (excluding outro silence), or 3:25.4 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:09.7 and 2:56.7.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Sat, 16 May 2015 21:06:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=43632&title=firefall-strange-way#43632 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=33667&title=firefall-strange-way#33667 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 595
Posted: 08 April 2012 at 3:18pm

I think I read somewhere, where Pat more often than not
determines what a commercial version/length is on the basis
of the DJ/promo copy he usually has.]]> Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:18:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=33667&title=firefall-strange-way#33667 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=33664&title=firefall-strange-way#33664 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 595
Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:12am

I picked up a promo copy on "Strange Way", it's a standard Atlantic Mono/Stereo promo, with both sides listing the song as 3:50.

The stereo side times out to 3:47 as reported here.

The MONO side times out to be 3:50, the fade out is a little longer.

So now we know where the 3:50 label time probably came from. ]]> Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:12:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=33664&title=firefall-strange-way#33664 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15875&title=firefall-strange-way#15875 Author: TimNeely
Subject: 595
Posted: 02 May 2008 at 10:30pm

Roscoe wrote: Anyone else know if there were possibly 2 different versions of this song on commercial 45? The fact that my 45 lists an incorrect running time (3:50) that is awfully close to the running time on the Time Life CD may be indicative of 2 different commercial versions.

There is no question whatsoever that there were two different commercial versions of "Strange Way." Oddly, both my freshman-year college roommate and I owned copies of this 45, and each of us had a different single version!

Off the top of my head, I don't know all the edit points, but the copy I own has a faded ending; it starts to fade when the fast instrumental part of the song starts. My copy has a trail-off number of ST-A-35767-1, which matches the master number on the (3:50) label (and jimct's copy).

The other commercial edit, if I recall, has the third verse ("Didn't you feel alone this morning") intact, but at the end of it, it tacks on the cold ending from the LP version (the three repeats of the line "That's a strange way to tell me you love me") rather than repeating the chorus and fading out. This probably has a different trail-off number.


Edited by TimNeely]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 22:30:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15875&title=firefall-strange-way#15875 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15853&title=firefall-strange-way#15853 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 595
Posted: 02 May 2008 at 7:25am

Well, I made that comment back in 2005 and since then, thanks in large part to this message board, we've helped uncover a number of cases where Rhino did not use correct 45 versions as previously thought. In any event, even though I think the quality of Rhino's products have declined in recent years, the label has managed to make quite a few 45 versions available on CD, which is in stark contrast to the rest of the U.S. record industry which too often issues only the LP version on CD over and over again.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 07:25:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15853&title=firefall-strange-way#15853 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15846&title=firefall-strange-way#15846 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 595
Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:00pm

Todd Ireland wrote: The Rhino label has always been pretty conscientious about issuing correct single versions of songs,

I take great issue with that! I have many examples of Rhino issuing the wrong versions.

However, one could defend Rhino by noting that there were indeed more than one commercial 45s issued, particularly in the 70s. Trouble is, Rhino seemed to pick single versions that were not sold in my part of the country, or if Bill Inglot used an album version that he faded to approximate a single, he would err on running the song a bit longer than the 45.]]> Thu, 01 May 2008 20:00:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15846&title=firefall-strange-way#15846 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15836&title=firefall-strange-way#15836 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 595
Posted: 01 May 2008 at 1:28pm

My digital copy is from The Essentials: Firefall and also runs 3:22.

Was the essentials a Rhino or Atlantic release?]]> Thu, 01 May 2008 13:28:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15836&title=firefall-strange-way#15836 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15827&title=firefall-strange-way#15827 Author: jimct
Subject: 595
Posted: 01 May 2008 at 12:33pm

Paul Haney wrote: My commercial 45 of "Strange Way" lists 3:50 and actually runs 3:48. Looks like we have another case of at least 2 different commercial copies!

I can concur with Paul's slightly shorter 45 timing here, as I just got an actual timing of (3:47) for my (3:50) listed time commercial 45. My deadwax is "ST-A-35767-1". Man, this song has a lot of different permutations! ]]> Thu, 01 May 2008 12:33:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=15827&title=firefall-strange-way#15827 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=3233&title=firefall-strange-way#3233 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 595
Posted: 06 January 2006 at 3:37pm

Grant wrote: ...or simply, listed timings that can't be trusteed...

They said they had two different commercial copies with different ACTUAL running times.]]> Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:37:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=3233&title=firefall-strange-way#3233 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=3232&title=firefall-strange-way#3232 Author: Grant
Subject: 595
Posted: 06 January 2006 at 11:46am

...or simply, listed timings that can't be trusteed...]]> Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:46:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PID=3232&title=firefall-strange-way#3232