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    Posted: 22 September 2010 at 4:59am
Not sure if this is in the database; it's not in the 1996 book.

The 3:50 version of this song on 1975 - Only Dance - 1979 is missing the first 8 beats of the song, but otherwise it appears to be based on the same analog transfer used for The Disco Years Vol. 2.

This probably warrants a comment in the database of missing the first 8 beats of the 45 and LP version or something to that effect.
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The Disco Years and Only Dance CDs have "neither" next to them. In fact, almost all CDs have "neither" next to them, and the ones I've heard have a completely different edit than the 45. Apparently, only Mega-Hits Dance Classics Vol. 3 has the correct version, but it's "considerably faster." I ended up doing my own edit using the LP version as the source.

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iTunes has the Dance Vault Mixes : Disco Night (Rock Freak) - Single on Arista with both the 45 version at the correct speed plus the longer LP version. BTW, the flip side of the vinyl 45 was GQ's version of A Taste of Honey's "Boogie Oogie Oogie."
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I did a needle drop of the original Arista 45 and that's
good enough for me.

Very interesting how the wrong edit keeps showing up on CD.
Since Bill Inglot kind of got the ball rolling on that one,
didn't he figure out that he had been using the wrong edit
all those years?
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Found my 45 of this track.

It runs 3:55, and 123.2 BPM throughout with no drift (uses a click track).

Not only is it a different edit than The Disco Years Vol. 2 (and a very different edit at that - too many differences to name conveniently), it's a different mix, too. For example: on the 45, after 8 beats, there's a "shuck-a-toom" guitar accent, which isn't on the Rhino version. The 45 says "Re-mixed by Jimmy Simpson", so it's possible that the Rhino mix is edited down from the LP mix (a guess). The Rhino disc version also runs 123.2 BPM throughout, so it's the same pitch as the 45, just the wrong mix.

The version on Mega Hits Dance Classics Vol. 3 is the 45 mix, but running at 126.5 BPM, or about 2.7% too fast. VERY noticeable pitch difference, and mastered too loud so there's lots of clipping. The fade point is in the right place, but is off by about 6 seconds because of the pitch difference.

The version on my copy of Rhino's Phat Trax Vol. 5 runs 7:55 (not the 5:06 listed in the 1996 edition of Pat's book), and also runs at 126.6. Maybe the LP or 12" version ran that fast? This mix seems even emptier than the one on Disco Years, so it can't be edited down to the 45 version.
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No, the mix is 100% same as the LP version and the wrong
edit. It's those edits that are confusing you. Also, in
the old days, a remix was simply the actual mix. In those
days, recordings were mixed as they were recorded for
economy and out of habit.
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Originally posted by The Hits Man The Hits Man wrote:

No, the mix is 100% same as the LP version and the wrong
edit. It's those edits that are confusing you. Also, in
the old days, a remix was simply the actual mix. In those
days, recordings were mixed as they were recorded for
economy and out of habit.


I will trust others on the board about the 45 single mix on this one.. however... The version on Phat Tracks is a pretty lousy mix of this recording, and I'm going to take an educated guess that it's the original mix, and that both the hit single mix and hit 12" were remixed by Jimmy Simpson. The rise of disco music in the late 70's led to the rise of D.J.s being hired to remix songs to have greater potential in clubs. This song was a disco hit first, and then crossed over to radio. Months later, a full length album was rush completed and issued, containing the full 12" mix of the title hit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Haney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2010 at 3:50am
Originally posted by Santi Paradoa Santi Paradoa wrote:

iTunes has the Dance Vault Mixes : Disco Night (Rock Freak) - Single on Arista with both the 45 version at the correct speed plus the longer LP version. BTW, the flip side of the vinyl 45 was GQ's version of A Taste of Honey's "Boogie Oogie Oogie."


Thanks for the heads up on this! I downloaded this version and it sounds 100% correct to my ears.
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The Hits Man is right that the mix is exactly the same as the LP version. I did a careful comparison of the two when creating my own edit to match the 45.

Ron, the reason you don't hear the "shuck-a-toom" guitar accent on the Rhino edit is due to an editing difference of the LP version. The intro on the LP version is probably twice as long (if not longer) as the 45 version, and Rhino has just edited it incorrectly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hits Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2010 at 9:55am
Originally posted by Steve Sharp Steve Sharp wrote:

Originally posted by The Hits Man The Hits Man wrote:

No, the mix is
100% same as the LP version and the wrong
edit. It's those edits that are confusing you. Also, in
the old days, a remix was simply the actual mix. In
those
days, recordings were mixed as they were recorded for
economy and out of habit.


I will trust others on the board about the 45 single mix
on this one..


You can do whatever you want. Never mind that I grew up
with this song, both the 45 and the LP, and was around
whe it was riding up the charts.

Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

The Hits Man is right that the mix is
exactly the same as the LP version. I did a careful
comparison of the two when creating my own edit to match
the 45.


Thank you, others! :)


Steve Sharp, I said nothing about the extended mix,
presumably
the 12'
single. It is apparently not the same as the LP.45 mix.

Again, the terminology of "remix" used in the 70s was a
bit different than it is today.

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