Cymarron -- "Rings"

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   I was hoping to clarify the database and distinguish more clearly the differences between the lp version and 45 version. I have heard over the years:

1) that they are different takes

2) a phasing effect on the vocals was dubbed onto the mono 45

3) the lp version is just speed up

Which of these are true? 

Is only the promo mono or all commercial 45's? 

Has the true "hit version" been released on CD anywhere? 

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Indy500 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Indy500 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Cymarron -- "Rings" Posted: 24 August 2009 at 9:50pm
	I was hoping to clarify the database and distinguish more clearly the differences between the lp version and 45 version. I have heard over the years: 1) that they are different takes 2) a phasing effect on the vocals was dubbed onto the mono 45 3) the lp version is just speed up Which of these are true? Is only the promo mono or all commercial 45's? Has the true "hit version" been released on CD anywhere? Edited by Indy500

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 172	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 August 2009 at 10:34pm
	It's been a long time since I've heard the LP version, but I don't think it's a different take from the 45. The 45 is definitely slower than the LP. I believe the LP also fades earlier than the 45, even if you were to slow it down to the 45's speed. Someone else will have to chime in on the mix differences. I don't know about the promo, but the stock 45 is mono. I've never found it on CD anywhere, so I did a nice transfer from a mint 45.

TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 August 2009 at 11:53pm
	The promo 45, which i have a styrene pressing of, is mono, just like the stock 45, which I have a vinyl pressing of.
	Live in stereo.

Bill Cahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Cahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2009 at 5:01am
	It may be a different take. There are differences in the mix on the vocals to be sure. Near the beginning when the singers sing "Baby what you doin?" it's two singers on the LP but drops to one singer on the 45. It also sounds like they bounced back and forth between two different singers on the 45, which is less obvious on the LP. It's almost as if that second singer's part was re-done by someone else for the LP. But it might just be a mix difference.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 172	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2009 at 7:42am
	Thanks for the additional info, Bill! You're exactly right about the difference in singers. I found this in an old thread, posted by Moderator (Pat): The 45 version of "Rings" drops to a single vocal on the line "Baby What's Ya Doin'" in the beginning of the song while the LP version is multitracked.

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2009 at 4:42pm
	The mix sounds differentto me between the LP & 45 versions at the sort of false end (after "let the wedding bells ring, aaahhhh"). When the drums come in it sounds like a different take. I've never timed them out, but while the LP fades quickly, it continues softly for some time...maybe not quite as long as the single, but close.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 October 2013 at 6:02pm
	my commercial 45 lists a run time on the label as 2:45 but actually runs 2:44..this 45 run time info s/b added to the db...
	edtop40

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 October 2013 at 5:37pm
	Ah yes i had to research this song quite awhile ago. By slowing down the LP version by quite a lot, i was able to synchronize the 2 versions. The backing track is the same one in both versions, however for the stereo mix they potted up some extra percussion that doesn't appear in the mono single. The vocals are a completely different take on the LP version. As noted above the vocal arrangement in the 45 features a solo part, but all the vocals in the LP are sung by the group. When you synch the 2 versions together, you can hear it's an entirely different performance. Then finally besides speeding up the LP version they also faded it a lot sooner than the 45, so when you slow it down it still runs too short. MM