Cymarron -- "Rings"
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Topic: Cymarron -- "Rings"
Posted By: Indy500
Subject: Cymarron -- "Rings"
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 9:50pm
I was hoping to clarify the database and distinguish more clearly the differences between the lp version and 45 version. I have heard over the years:
1) that they are different takes
2) a phasing effect on the vocals was dubbed onto the mono 45
3) the lp version is just speed up
Which of these are true?
Is only the promo mono or all commercial 45's?
Has the true "hit version" been released on CD anywhere?
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 10:34pm
It's been a long time since I've heard the LP version, but I don't think it's a different take from the 45. The 45 is definitely slower than the LP. I believe the LP also fades earlier than the 45, even if you were to slow it down to the 45's speed. Someone else will have to chime in on the mix differences.
I don't know about the promo, but the stock 45 is mono. I've never found it on CD anywhere, so I did a nice transfer from a mint 45.
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 11:53pm
The promo 45, which i have a styrene pressing of, is mono, just like the stock 45, which I have a vinyl pressing of.
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Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 25 August 2009 at 5:01am
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It may be a different take. There are differences in the mix on the vocals to be sure. Near the beginning when the singers sing "Baby what you doin?" it's two singers on the LP but drops to one singer on the 45. It also sounds like they bounced back and forth between two different singers on the 45, which is less obvious on the LP. It's almost as if that second singer's part was re-done by someone else for the LP. But it might just be a mix difference.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 August 2009 at 7:42am
Thanks for the additional info, Bill! You're exactly right about the difference in singers. I found this in an old thread, posted by Moderator (Pat):
The 45 version of "Rings" drops to a single vocal on the line "Baby What's Ya Doin'" in the beginning of the song while the LP version is multitracked.
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 25 August 2009 at 4:42pm
The mix sounds differentto me between the LP & 45 versions at the sort of false end (after "let the wedding bells ring, aaahhhh"). When the drums come in it sounds like a different take.
I've never timed them out, but while the LP fades quickly, it continues softly for some time...maybe not quite as long as the single, but close.
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 October 2013 at 6:02pm
my commercial 45 lists a run time on the label as 2:45 but
actually runs 2:44..this 45 run time info s/b added to the
db...
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edtop40
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 09 October 2013 at 5:37pm
Ah yes i had to research this song quite awhile ago.
By slowing down the LP version by quite a lot, i was able
to synchronize the 2 versions. The backing track is the
same one in both versions, however for the stereo mix
they potted up some extra percussion that doesn't appear
in the mono single.
The vocals are a completely different take on the LP
version. As noted above the vocal arrangement in the 45
features a solo part, but all the vocals in the LP are
sung by the group. When you synch the 2 versions
together, you can hear it's an entirely different
performance.
Then finally besides speeding up the LP version they also
faded it a lot sooner than the 45, so when you slow it
down it still runs too short.
MM
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