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   <however, you could argue that there is a key change at the end with different lyrics that are not on the 45 and thus should be a "version.">

Aaron and Pat - I'm confused about this. If there are different lyrics on the Yes "Owner" 45 that do not occur on the same spot on the LP, then this would definitely be an issue of "version" and not "length." Is that what happens on the 45? Or do you mean, there's a key change (i.e. a modulation) on the "album length" version AFTER the 45 would be over?

And are you and Pat now saying that if after the 45 is over, the LP simply has repeating choruses it would be labeled as "length" but if there's another verse, i.e. different lyrics, then this qualifies for a "version" (even though the LP can be faded to 45)?

WOW - this is SOOOO confusing. 

So ... if the LP can be faded to the 45 (what would normally constitue a "length" designation), it's supposed to be listed as a "version" IF any one of the following conditions happens:

1) what follows on the LP has a key change

2) what follows on the LP is more than 1 minute long

3) what follows on the LP has a new vocalist (i.e. "We Are the World")

4) what follows on the LP has a new verse with different lyrics

BUT - if what follows on the LP is just more choruses, it's a "length"?

And what do we do if what follows on the LP is ad libs (new words) that aren't a new verse and not on any previous choruses - what's that??

WOW, wouldn't it just be a lot easier to state that if you can fade an LP to be the 45, it should just be labeled "45 length"?

Edited by EdisonLite

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EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 72	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 January 2009 at 12:13am
	<however, you could argue that there is a key change at the end with different lyrics that are not on the 45 and thus should be a "version."> Aaron and Pat - I'm confused about this. If there are different lyrics on the Yes "Owner" 45 that do not occur on the same spot on the LP, then this would definitely be an issue of "version" and not "length." Is that what happens on the 45? Or do you mean, there's a key change (i.e. a modulation) on the "album length" version AFTER the 45 would be over? And are you and Pat now saying that if after the 45 is over, the LP simply has repeating choruses it would be labeled as "length" but if there's another verse, i.e. different lyrics, then this qualifies for a "version" (even though the LP can be faded to 45)? WOW - this is SOOOO confusing. So ... if the LP can be faded to the 45 (what would normally constitue a "length" designation), it's supposed to be listed as a "version" IF any one of the following conditions happens: 1) what follows on the LP has a key change 2) what follows on the LP is more than 1 minute long 3) what follows on the LP has a new vocalist (i.e. "We Are the World") 4) what follows on the LP has a new verse with different lyrics BUT - if what follows on the LP is just more choruses, it's a "length"? And what do we do if what follows on the LP is ad libs (new words) that aren't a new verse and not on any previous choruses - what's that?? WOW, wouldn't it just be a lot easier to state that if you can fade an LP to be the 45, it should just be labeled "45 length"? Edited by EdisonLite

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 72	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 January 2009 at 12:17am
	Pat, if I understand you correctly, "Owner of a Lonely Heart" cannot be faded to the 45 because there are words on the 45 that are different in the same spot on the LP (and thus, the new designation as "45 version"?) And we can't edit the LP to be the "45 version" because of these unique words? Edited by EdisonLite

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 January 2009 at 7:45am
	Owner Of A Loneloy Heart can be faded to generate the 45 version. The additional lyrics occur after the 45 would have faded out.

NightAire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NightAire Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 November 2010 at 10:08pm
	I'll make this even MORE complicated; as 995wlol said, this is easy since I'm not having to maintain the database. ;-) I wish it indicated "45: early fade" or "45: edit" to distinguish when I can just knock off the last X-number of seconds (or minutes) vs where I'm going to have to go in and slice and dice the album version. ...I know, I know, be thankful for what you've got! I am... but this WOULD be nice, at least for me. :) Carry on, Edited by NightAire
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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 39	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 March 2013 at 5:26pm
	Four years after my last post on this song, and I owe a few of you an apology. Turns out that the version on Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 14 1980-1982 does have a burst of static on the intro, starting at the first snare hit after the intro and lasting about two beats. The static sounds a little like a mistuned FM radio, not a clicky sound. Somehow, I missed it the first time through...
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