Question on Seger’s Ramblin’ Gamblin Man

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   I picked up what appears to be a Capitol promo 45 but I'm trying to determine it's actual origins. 

It has the correct number and B side. Mono. It has the typical Capitol design of the period, yellow label with black print. 

But under the "NOT FOR SALE" print, it says, "Produced by" HIDEOUT RECORDS AND DISTRIBUTORS INC".

Was that also on the stock copies? 

The reason I ask is that the artist for this promo is Bob Seger, not the "Bob Seger System". 

If it is a radio copy then maybe this 45 was originally released to radio as Bob Seger, and then changed later. 

Or, it's not a radio copy, but some promo made up for a state fair or something later when he dropped "The System". 

Or, it's a boot and I got tricked. 

It's mono. Trail says: 45-59078-F1

Is Hideout on the stock? Does anybody have a promo with System on it? Any clue as to whether or not this is an original or something else? 

Bill

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BillCahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillCahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Question on Seger’s Ramblin’ Gamblin Man Posted: 19 August 2007 at 1:52pm
	I picked up what appears to be a Capitol promo 45 but I'm trying to determine it's actual origins. It has the correct number and B side. Mono. It has the typical Capitol design of the period, yellow label with black print. But under the "NOT FOR SALE" print, it says, "Produced by" HIDEOUT RECORDS AND DISTRIBUTORS INC". Was that also on the stock copies? The reason I ask is that the artist for this promo is Bob Seger, not the "Bob Seger System". If it is a radio copy then maybe this 45 was originally released to radio as Bob Seger, and then changed later. Or, it's not a radio copy, but some promo made up for a state fair or something later when he dropped "The System". Or, it's a boot and I got tricked. It's mono. Trail says: 45-59078-F1 Is Hideout on the stock? Does anybody have a promo with System on it? Any clue as to whether or not this is an original or something else? Bill

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 August 2007 at 2:02pm
	My dj copy is identical to the one you are describing Bill. The flip side of mine is "Tales Of Lucy Blue". Capitol 45's in those days had a serrated ridge surrounding the yellow label and mine has that serrated ridge. I doubt a boot would have the serrated ridge. Edited by Pat Downey

Gary Mack Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gary Mack Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 August 2007 at 2:50pm
	Bill, You apparently have a real promo copy, likely the earliest one. My stock 45 has the "Hideout" credit line and Bob Seger System. The matrix number is different though; mine reads 45-59078-P1, the P suggesting a later pressing, which would make sense. And Pat's comment about the serrated edge around the label is real proof that yours is a Capitol pressing. GM

BillCahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillCahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 August 2007 at 5:05am
	Yes it has the serrated edge. Thanks for the help guys, not a bad purchase for a buck!

PaulEschen Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulEschen Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:16am
	Just to divert the theme of this post a little bit, I've tried to fold down the version of this song from the CD Ramblin' Gamblin' Man to see if I could get a mono version close to the original 45 version. The version on the CD (and the tan-colored re-issue 45 for that matter) is electronically rechanneled for stereo, but it sounds like they simply put the treble in one channel, and the bass in the other. When I did a simple fold-down on my computer, and added just a bit of high-end boost, I think it sounds pretty darn close. Has anyone else tried this?

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 9:53pm
	Does anyone have any idea why a Billboard Top 20 smash like "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man", released by a major artist (Bob Seger) on a major label (Capitol) has been next to impossible to find on CD? I mean, for crying out loud, if you can even find a copy of the lone long out-of-print CD containing the song, you not only can expect to shell out over $100 for it, but you also settle for listening to the hit in awful electronically rechanneled stereo! If "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" was owned by some other label, I could possibly understand how licensing issues could prevent the song from further CD reissue. But it was released on Capitol just like all of Seger's numerous other hits. So what gives with the song's conspicuous absence on CD, especially in genuine mono or stereo? I was fortunate to see Seger in concert last year here in Pittsburgh and it was a very delightful suprise when he performed "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" during the show! Evidently, he still thinks enough of the song to perform it in concert nearly 30 years after it's release. So why does it continue to be so elusive in digital? What's the story, Morning Glory? Edited by Todd Ireland

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 11:35pm
	Bob Seger's long-time manager (and some-times record producer) Ed "Punch" Andrews controls (possibly owns) the Seger masters; Capitol can't release/repackage them without Punch's directives. Andy

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 March 2008 at 9:09pm
	Thanks for the clarification, Andrew. But this only begs the question... Why is "Punch" Andrews being so stingy about reissuing "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" on CD?

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 March 2008 at 8:10am
	Hi Todd, I of course can't answer your question for "Punch", but I suspect the answer lies somewhere in this... It seems in the music business when one talented, busy, wealthy individual has control over licensing, it's just not a priority to him (e.g. Allen Klein, Phil Spector, Dave Clark, Bruce Springsteen). Who knows, now that "Punch" has retired from Kid Rock's managerial position to specifically concentrate on Seger's international touring, there may be some attention turned to Seger's releases. (I believe Seger is the only major artist that has never had a 'box-set' released.) Andy

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 March 2008 at 10:04am
	A couple other thoughts: Could there be licensing/tape ownership issues here? I don't think Seger was continuously signed to Capitol. RGM was on Capitol, but I have a couple early 70s singles of his on small, obscure labels, then by mid-decade he was back with Capitol. Could it be that "Punch" doesn't own/control the tapes to this? Another (somewhat related) thought. The only copy I have of RGM is the Capitol reissue single in muddy-tinny fake stereo. It sounds awful. This would also point to maybe a missing early-generation tape or the multitracks (recorded in '68...there must have been multis at one time).