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Radio Edit #1 - 4:15
Radio Edit #2 - 4:38
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Regarding Benjamin Orr - Stay The Night, the vinyl 45 runs 4:26 not (4:10) as reported in Whitburn's Pop Annual.
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[QUOTE=Todd Ireland] Lil' Kim featuring Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott and Angie Martinez - Not Tonight ==> Album version - 4:23. (Whitburn - 4:12)

I have just obtained the cassette single of this song and it runs 4:12 and is a censored version of the LP version that appears on the soundtrack to "Nothing To Lose". The cassette single or 45 version fades :12 sooner than the LP version.

Now my question is with regards to the LP version which would be the soundtrack to "Nothing To Lose" which states "remix" on the jacket. This "remix" is a remix of what other version?

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Pat:

I don't have the album, but "Not Tonight" is also supposedly on Lil' Kim's Hard Core (Atlantic 92733) CD. Based on the information I've gathered, the four female performers- Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott, and Angie Martinez- do not appear on the version of "Not Tonight" on the Hard Core disc. It is reported this version instead features rapper Jermaine Dupri. Therefore, it looks like the four featured female performers were later added to the so-called remix on the Nothin' to Lose soundtrack.

Hopefully, someone can verify the above information and get back to us.
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Yep there is a song on is on "Hard Core" titled "Not Tonight" but it is a totally different song both lyrically and musically. The "Hard Core" version samples George Benson's "Turn Your Love Around" while the so called "remix" samples "Ladies Night" by Kool & The Gang. The credit given to the composers is totally different and quite frankly I hear nothing in common between the two versions and would never draw the conclusion that one was a remix of the other. They appear to be two different songs with the same title by Lil' Kim.
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The Outfield - Your Love ==> Single length - 3:22. Album length - 3:36.
Thanks to Edtop40 for confirming this.

OutKast - Player's Ball ==> Album - 4:21. (Whitburn - 3:40)

Kevin Paige - Anything I Want ==> Single version - 3:45. Album version - 4:45.

Paperboy - Ditty ==> Single version - 4:00*. (Whitburn - 3:58)
I was looking at a used copy of the cassette single in a local used record store recently. I remember the cardboard sleeve indicating that the cassingle contains the "clean radio version" or "censored radio version" or something to that effect.

Partners in Kryme - Turtle Power! ==> Album - 4:17. (Whitburn - 3:47)
Promo CD single copies are reported to contain a "single edit". I'm pretty certain this is the version featured on commercial copies.

Peach Union - On My Own ==> Single version - 3:41. Album version - 4:54.
Ed confirmed for me that his commercial CD single features the "single mix" as the leadoff track and runs 3:41. Both the CD and cassette single also contain the "R.H. Factor Radio Edit" found on the various artist CD Boom! (Beast 54112).

Pebbles - Love Makes Things Happen ==> Single version - 4:31*. Album version - 5:08.
The single version appears on the Pebbles Greatest Hits (Hip-O 542521) CD, which is not listed in the 10th edition. I don't have a commercial single copy so I can't confirm the actual single run time, but I do know Greatest Hits contains the single version.

Ce Ce Peniston - Finally ==> Album - 4:03. (Whitburn - 4:20)

Steve Perry - You Better Wait ==> Single version - 3:42. Album version - 4:50.
The single version is the "radio edit".

P.M. Dawn - Paper Doll ==> Single version - 3:53. Album version - 4:50.
Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix" as the leadoff track. It is a much hotter and brighter mix than the one on the Of the Heart, of the Soul and of the Cross: The Utopian Experience (Gee Street 314514517 and 32510) CD. The background vocals are much more prominent in the radio mix/single version and the chorus contains a hi-hat cymbal not found on the album counterpart. Therefore, the single is not just an early fade of the album, but a different version as well.

P.M. Dawn - I'd Die Without You ==> Album - 4:10. (Whitburn - 3:43)
Commercial cassette single copies have the "Radio Edit".

P.M. Dawn - Looking Through Patient Eyes ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:06.
Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix". Like all other P.M. Dawn Top 40 hits, the radio mix/single version is mixed hotter and brighter than its album counterpart. The best way to distinguish the difference between the two versions of "Looking Through Patient Eyes" is the passage between the :09 - :15 mark. During this time frame, a stringed instrument (I can't quite tell if it's a viola or a cello) can be heard on the single version, but is absent from the album version.

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Regarding Paperboy's "Ditty," I'm 99% sure that the "Radio" version was also the one used on the full-length album. I have the version called "Radio" on a radio compilation disc, and it's the same as the LP Version on both my cassette and vinyl LPs (explicit version).
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But the "clean" or "censored" version of "Ditty" is on commercial single copies, right? Or are you saying there are no differences between the censored and explicit versions of this song?
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As far as I know, there has never been an "explicit" version of the original mix of "Ditty." Even the explicit version of the album has the "radio" mix on it.
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One interesting thing about Outkast's "Player's Ball" is that it was originally issued on a Christmas compilation, and it was titled "Player's Ball (On Christmas Day)." Outkast later included the song on their full-length debut album, and simply titled it "Player's Ball," changing some of the lyrics to make it less of a Christmas song.

I know there are at least two commercial CD singles available---one with the "Christmas" versions (LaFace 24061) and one without (LaFace 24066). The 3:40 time that Whitburn lists may actually be a radio edit of the Christmas version. I have the "Radio Version-Clean" of the non-Christmas version, and it clocks in at 4:12.
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