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Topic: Single/album version distinctions...
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: Single/album version distinctions...
Date Posted: 17 February 2005 at 1:32pm
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I've decided to undertake a new project... I'm compiling a list of mostly late '80s and '90s songs whose single versions differ from their corresponding LP versions, but are not acknowledged as such in the 10th edition.
For each entry, I'll list the artist, song title, the commercial single version run time if I know it, and the LP version run time. I will also frequently interject my own comments in italic print when necessary. If I'm unable to confirm a commercial single version's run time, I will instead quote the run time Joel Whitburn reports in his Pop Annual 1955-1999 book. His last name and run time will be enclosed in parenthesis like this: (Whitburn - 3:32). I realize that Whitburn's times are frequently off by 5-10 seconds, but his information can still be a useful indicator for determining if a single version has a significantly different run time than its corresponding LP version. In instances where I don't have a commercial single for a particular song, but Whitburn's run time for the single differs from the LP version by 11 seconds or more, I will list just the LP version and Whitburn's time in parenthesis. This will let readers know that the commercial single might differ from the LP version. Hopefully, someone will have a commercial single copy he can check and report back to us. If an asterisk appears immediately after a single version run time, it means the time is based on how long the song runs on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio subscription CDs (or some other source) and not on the retail commercial single itself. This means the run time from an actual commercial single copy still needs to be confirmed. For the purposes of this discussion, I will use the more generic comment "single version" unless I can confirm that a commercial 45 is available, for which in those cases I'll use the traditional "45 version" comment. Please note that when I do use the "single version" comment it doesn't necessarily mean a vinyl 45 doesn't exist. It simply means I haven't confirmed that one does. As always, if someone has anything to add, correct, or dispute, your input is most welcome. If something is unclear to you, please ask me to clarify. I will be adding about a dozen or so new entries generally every 3-4 days. Ok, enough introduction... Time to roll up the sleeves and get to it! Aaliyah - If Your Girl Only Knew ==> Single version - 3:54* (Whitburn - 3:51). LP version - 4:50. Aaliyah - The One I Gave My Heart To ==> LP version - 4:29. (Whitburn - 3:53) The cassette single and CD single state "radio mix" on the track listing with a printed run time of 3:53. Paula Abdul - My Love Is for Real ==> 45 version - 4:22. LP version - 5:19. Ace of Base - Living in Danger ==> LP version - 3:41. (Whitburn - 3:08) The cassette single and CD single state "single remix" on the track listing. I've seen the "single remix" run time listed at 3:10 or 3:15 depending on the website. Aerosmith - Pink ==> Single version - 3:53. LP version - 3:54. The CD single features the "south beach mix" and the "album version". Because the "south beach mix" is the leadoff track and due to the fact that it received significant Top 40 airplay, I definitely consider it to be the single version. It runs approximately the same length of time as the LP version, but is a different mix. The single version appears on Aerosmith's Oh Yeah! Ultimate Aerosmith Hits (Columbia 86700), but is currently marked only as "remix" in the 10th edition. Aerosmith - I Don't Want to Miss a Thing ==> LP version - 4:57. It's my understanding that the vinyl 45, cassette single, and CD single features a "pop mix" that runs approximately 4:58. This mix is reported to be slightly different than the LP version. After 7 - Heat of the Moment ==> LP version - 4:25. (Whitburn - 6:10) In his Pop Annual 1955-1999 book, Joel Whitburn notes the following under "Heat of the Moment" on page 576 : "(short version peaked at #74 in 1989)". It can be deduced from Whitburn's information that there are two different single versions of this song. The "long" version appears to be the "hit" single version. After 7 - 'Til You Do Me Right ==> LP version - 4:53. (Whitburn - 4:05) Track 1 on the CD single is an "edit", according to the track listing. The DJ CD single has the "edit" run time printed at 4:12. Alabama featuring 'N Sync - God Must Have Spent a Little More Time on You ==> 45 version - 3:18. LP version - 4:37. The 45 version has Alabama featuring 'N Sync on background vocals, while the LP version is performed by Alabama only and does not include 'N Sync. The one and only CD appearance of this song in the 10th edition should have the comment: LP version. To date, the single version has only appeared on commercial vinyl 45 and CD single (and possibly cassette single). Tatyana Ali - Daydreamin' ==> LP version - 4:59. (Whitburn - 3:58) The CD and cassette single state "single edit", with the run time estimated to be around 4:02. Alias - More Than Words Can Say ==> Single version runs 3:39. LP version runs 3:52. DJ CD single copies (EMI DPRO 04637) run (3:39), not (3:35) as the label states, and (3:52). All-4-One - I Can Love You Like That ==> LP version - 4:21. (Whitburn - 4:10) |
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 17 February 2005 at 4:34pm
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 February 2005 at 2:47am
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I second that, Pat. But allow me to assist on the post...
Aaliyah - If Your Girl Only Knew I have the commercial CD Single, and it only contains the LP Version and a few remixes. The Single Version you have listed, Todd, is the Radio Edit from the promo single. Aerosmith - I Don't Want To Miss... I don't have a commercial copy, but there were (at least) two promo singles released. One contains the "Pop Mix" that you're talking about. The other promo single, which I have, contains the "Pop Radio Edit No Orchestra Intro" version. This is the same as the Pop Mix, but it starts cold with the vocals--and it is a different mix, not just an edit. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 February 2005 at 9:54am
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Aerosmith - I Don't Want To Miss... There's a third promo single of this song because the one I have does not contain either version that aaronk lists. My promo CD single has "rock mix", and I remember it was quite different than the regular version (used in the video and played on the radio). When I bought it, I hadn't even noticed the mix details and was assuming I was getting the regular radio version. I also have the commercial CD single, which I believe is the "pop mix". However, I don't have the Armageddon soundtrack so I can't A-B the pop mix with the LP mix to determine a difference. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 21 February 2005 at 7:22pm
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In his Top Pop Singles 1955-1999 book, Joel Whitburn provides vinyl single availability information for all Top 40 singles appearing on the Billboard Hot 100 chart after 1989. As a service to vinyl 45 purists, I will start noting Top 40 singles that are available on 45.
Also, from here on out, I will unwaiveringly use the comments "single version" and "album version" to describe 45 and LP versions, respectively, because I believe these broader terms are more "format inclusive". (Of course, it's entirely up to Pat which comments he chooses to use in his book.) A couple things to note from my previous set of entries: ==> In Top Pop Singles, Whitburn claims that the original 1989 version of After 7's "Heat of the Moment" runs 4:20. Meanwhile, no vinyl 45 was issued for the longer version running 6:10 that became a Top 40 hit in 1991. ==> A vinyl 45 was issued for All-4-One's "I Can Love You Like That". Now, back to where we last left off... All-4-One - Someday ==> Single version - 4:15. Album version - 4:16. The single version is very similar to the album version. After doing an A/B comparison, I discovered that the album version contains an oboe and some extra strings (or are they synthesizers?) while the single version does not. The one and only CD appearance of this song in the 10th edition is the album version. All Saints - I Know Where It's At ==> Single version - 3:56* (Whitburn - 3:54). Album version - 5:08. (available on vinyl 45) The commercial and promo CD single contains the following track listing and printed run times: 1) Gutfather & Jo's Alternative Mix - Radio (4:01); 2) Original Radio Mix (4:00). I don't have a commercial copy so I'm not sure which version I have on my Promo Only CD. Herb Alpert - Making Love in the Rain ==> Album version - 5:54. (Whitburn - 3:50) (available on vinyl 45) I believe this was only available on vinyl 45, although it's possible a promo CD single might exist too. Another Bad Creation - Iesha ==> Album version - 4:21. (Whitburn - 4:07) (available on vinyl 45) The cassette single contains the same version on both sides, but I'm getting conflicting information as to whether the cassingle features the album version or the "radio version" (they may be one in the same). I'm not sure about the vinyl 45 track listing either. However, both the 12" single and the promo CD single have a track called the " 7" version ", which I've seen listed with a 3:10 run time on the 12". Not sure if "Iesha" runs 3:10 on the actual 45 as well, or if this so-called 7" version appearing on the 12" and promo CD is really just a radio edit. Adam Ant - Wonderful ==> Single version - 3:55* (Whitburn - 3:48). Album version - 4:20. (available on vinyl 45) The fade on "Wonderful" sounds like it's truncated on my Promo Only CD, so it may actually run a little bit longer than what I've listed as the possible 45 version run time. Either way, the run time needs to be checked via a commercial single copy, as indicated by the asterisk(*). Tina Arena - Chains ==> Single version - 4:00. Album version - 4:21. Az Yet featuring Peter Cetera - Hard to Say I'm Sorry ==> Single version - 3:15. Album version - 3:14. (available on vinyl 45) The David Foster remix featuring Peter Cetera's vocals is actually the B-side of the commercial CD and cassette single, whereas the A-side features Az Yet only. Because the Peter Cetera version received the bulk of the airplay, it is considered the single version even though it appears as the "flipside" on the commercial single. Whitburn notes the vinyl 45 makes no mention of Peter Cetera, so I don't know if Cetera is on the commercial vinyl version or not. Babyface - And Our Feelings ==> Album version - 5:39. (Whitburn - 3:52) (available on vinyl 45) Commercial CD single's A-side states "radio edit" with an alleged run time of 3:59, according to an eBay seller I corresponded with via e-mail. Cassette and vinyl single contain the same track listing. Babyface - Every Time I Close My Eyes ==> Single version - 4:11*. Album version - 4:56. (available on vinyl 45) Backstreet Boys - Everybody (Backstreet's Back) ==> Single version - 3:43* (Whitburn - 3:44). Album version - 4:45. (available on vinyl 45) Bad Company - Walk Through Fire ==> Album version - 4:47. (Whitburn - 4:10) The single version is shown on commercial single copies as a "remix". Bad English - Price of Love ==> Album version - 4:46. (Whitburn - 4:38) (available on vinyl 45) The single version is shown on commercial copies as a "remix", which runs approximately the same length as the album version. I don't have a commercial single copy yet, so I can't report the exact differences between the single and album version. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 February 2005 at 10:16pm
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Bardeux - When We Kiss ==> Single version - 3:55. Album version - 4:51. (available on vinyl 45)
The B-52's - Deadbeat Club ==> Album version - 4:45. (Whitburn - 4:15) (available on vinyl 45) The commercial single version is reported to be a "remix edit". Black Box - I Don't Know Anybody Else ==> Album version - 4:32. (Whitburn - 3:52) I have a promo CD single copy containing a radio edit which runs 3:58 (RCA 2738-2-RDJ). It's very possible that the radio edit may be the same as the single version, although I don't have a commercial single copy for verification. Black Box - Strike It Up ==> Album version - 5:15. (Whitburn - 3:06) We discussed the single version of this song on another thread. I'll work on finding out the exact single and radio edit run times. The Blackout Allstars - I Like It ==> Single version - 4:19*. Original album version - 3:43 Whitburn reports in Top Pop Singles that this song was originally recorded for the movie soundtrack I Like It Like That in 1994, and didn't actually become a hit until a couple of years later when it was used in a Burger King commercial. I compared my copy of "I Like It" from my Promo Only CD subscription series to the version found on the various artist CD Boom! (Beast 54112) and the two are identical (the only difference being that the tracks before and after "I Like It" on the Boom! disc all segue into each other). Whitburn lists the commercial single run time at 4:19. This leads me to believe that all 4:19 versions of the song containing the comment: (remixed) in the 10th edition are probably actually the "hit single" version. BLACKstreet - Booti Call ==> Album version - 4:25. (Whitburn - 4:10) Blessid Union of Souls - Let Me Be the One ==> Single version - 3:52* (Whitburn - 3:52). Album version - 4:36. (available on vinyl 45) Mary J. Blige - Be Happy ==> Album version - 5:48. (Whitburn - 5:37) The single and album version are likely the same, but we won't know for sure until someone can check and report the run time on a commercial single copy. Blues Traveler - Hook ==> Album version - 4:48. (Whitburn - 4:24) (available on vinyl 45) The commercial and promo single states "edit". Michael Bolton featuring Kenny G - Missing You Now ==> Album version - 4:33. (Whitburn - 4:27) (available on vinyl 45) Is the 4:24 version that appears on Greatest Hits 1985-1995 (Columbia 67300), Love Songs (Columbia/Legacy 85351), and Timeless (The Classics)/Timeless (The Classics) Vol. 2/Love Songs (Columbia/Legacy 86065) the commercial single length, or an early fade of the commercial single and album version? Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Look into My Eyes ==> Single version - 4:26. Commercial singles feature the "clean version". Bon Jovi - Always ==> Single version - 4:54. Album version - 5:51. (available on vinyl 45) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 03 March 2005 at 9:24pm
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Due to my increased work load, I won't be able to add entries to this list every three to four days like I originally planned. Nevertheless, as my time permits, I will do my best to post new entries at least once a week until the list is complete.
I have updates for four entries I posted earlier: All-4-One - I Can Love You Like That An eBay seller informs me that the song runs 4:23 on the CD single he has up for sale. He didn't mention if this is the printed run time or if he actually timed the song himself. Either way, his data seems to suggest that the commercial single and album version of "I Can Love You Like That" are essentially the same, which of course means no single version/album version distinction would apply here. Bad Company - Walk Through Fire ==> Single version - 4:17. Album version - 4:47. I got hold of a commercial cassette copy and confirmed the run time. The B-52's - Deadbeat Club ==> Single version - 4:19. Album version - 4:45. I came across a commercial cassette single copy and confirmed the 4:19 run time, even though the label states 4:15. Black Box - Strike It Up == Single version - 3:06*. Album version - 5:15. I asked edtop40 to check his cassette single copy for me. He says it contains the "radio mix" and runs 3:06. I believe this is how long the "radio mix" runs on the promo CD single as well. It would be good if someone could verify this. And now, let's get back to where we last left off... Brent Bourgeois - Dare to Fall in Love ==> Single version - 4:08. Album version - 4:05. The cassette single states "edit" on the sleeve. The main difference between the single and album version is the single version edits out part of the keyboard solo after the first set of verses. But what's interesting here is the album version fades out sooner than the single which explains why the latter has an overall longer run time. The Boys - Crazy ==> Album version - 5:05. (Whitburn - 4:03) (available on vinyl 45) My sources say the commercial cassette single features a radio edit version. Boys Club - I Remember Holding You ==> Album version - 4:52. (Whitburn - 4:09) (available on vinyl 45) The commercial and promo 45 both have a printed run time of 4:09 on the label. Brandy - I Wanna Be Down ==> Album version - 4:51. (Whitburn - 4:03) (available on vinyl 45) The CD single appears to contain the "LP Version". But given Whitburn's listed run time, I'm wondering if the cassette single might feature a different mix or edit on the A-side? Brandy - Baby ==> Single version - 4:19*. Album version - 5:12. (Whitburn - 4:16) (available on vinyl 45) Brandy - Brokenhearted ==> Single version - 4:45. Album version - 5:51. The cassette single features the "Soulpower Mix", which is also the version I remember hearing on the radio. The label incorrectly states a run time of 4:29. Brandy, Tamia, Gladys Knight and Chaka Khan - Missing You ==> Single version - 4:11*. Album version - 4:22. (Whitburn - 4:09) (available on vinyl 45) Brandy & Monica - The Boy Is Mine ==> Single version - 3:59*. Album version - 4:54. (Whitburn - 4:00) (available on vinyl 45) Brandy - Have You Ever? ==> Album version - 4:31. (Whitburn - 3:33) (available on vinyl 45) My sources say the commercial single features what appears to be the radio edit. Brother Beyond - The Girl I Used to Know ==> Single version - 4:11*. Album version - 4:21. The "single version" runs 4:11 on my promo CD copy (EMI DPRO #04521), though the label states a time of 3:59. In the 10th edition, the song is listed as running 3:51 on Decades of Dance: The 90's (EMI-Capitol Music Special Markets 19578) and Pat comments that this is the "dj edit". Is there another promo DJ single pressing featuring this 3:51 version? I notice the Decades of Dance track listing does state that "The Girl I Used to Know" is the "radio mix edited version". Since I don't have this disc, I'm unable to look into this. Sharon Bryant - Let Go ==> Album version - 4:51. (Whitburn - 4:09) Bush - Comedown ==> Single version - 4:08. Album version - 5:24. Promo CD copies of the single run 4:08, but states a time of 4:19 (Trauma PRCD 6297). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 06 March 2005 at 10:39pm
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Just a reminder and a point of clarification... Whenever I type an asterisk(*) immediately after a single version run time, it means the time is believed to be correct but hasn't yet been verified on an actual commercial single copy.
Back to business at hand... Busta Rhymes - Woo-Hah!! Got You All in Check ==> Album version - 4:31. (Whitburn - 4:15) Commercial singles all feature the "Radio Edit" as the lead track or the A-side. Joel Whitburn reports the commercial single run time to be 4:15, as indicated in parenthesis proceeding the album version run time above. C + C Music Factory - Do You Wanna Get Funky ==> Single version - 4:29. Album version - 4:05. (Whitburn - 4:25) Commercial singles all feature the "Vocal Club Mix" as the lead track or the A-side. This single remix appears on the C&C Music Factory domestic CD Ultimate (Columbia 67367). According to www.allmusic.com, the "Vocal Club Mix" also appears on In the Groove (Sony Music Special Products 28099). The 10th edition currently shows "Do You Wanna Get Funky" with the comment "(remix)" next to the two above mentioned CDs, but it would probably be more accurate to comment that these discs contain the commercial single version. Belinda Carlisle - Leave a Light On ==> Single version - 4:14. Album version - 4:35. (available on vinyl 45) Belinda Carlisle - Summer Rain ==> Single version - 4:09. Album version - 5:26. (available on vinyl 45) Paul Carrack - I Live by the Groove ==> Single version - 3:59. Album version - 4:09. The single version appears on The Paul Carrack Collection (Chrysalis 27221) and Glass Tiger/Paul Carrack Back 2 Back Hits (EMI-Capitol Music Special Markets 99261) , but is not noted as so in the 10th edition. Case featuring Foxy Brown - Touch Me Tease Me ==> Album version - 3:51. (Whitburn - 4:30) Case - Happily Ever After ==> Album version - 4:35. (Whitburn -4:10) The CD single features a "Main Version" mix as the lead track or A-side. It is reported to run shorter than the album version. David Cassidy - Lyin' to Myself ==> Single version - 4:02. Album version - 3:58. (Whitburn - 3:42) Edtop40 tells me the single version runs 4:02, which is about four seconds longer than the album version. Does the single version merely take longer to fade out than the album version, or is it a different mix altogether? Changing Faces - Foolin' Around ==> Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 3:48) The commercial cassette single is reported to have an edit on the A-side. Changing Faces - G.H.E.T.T.O.U.T ==> Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 4:00) Cheap Trick - Can't Stop Fallin' into Love ==> Single version - 3:48. Album version - 3:48. (also available on vinyl 45) This one has me puzzled. The commercial single features the "Radio Mix". The promo CD single consists of the "Radio Mix" and "LP Version" (Epic ESK 7344). I did a precise A/B comparison between the two tracks on my Adobe Audition software and I honestly can't distinguish any difference between them. The two sound virtually identical to me. When I ran a waveform analysis test on the tracks, the results showed that the "LP Version" is a small fraction of a decibel louder in volume and equalization than the "Radio Mix" single version. If anyone can detect any perceptible differences between the commercial single and album version, please post your observations because I'd love to discover what they are! Mark Chesnutt - I Don't Want to Miss a Thing ==> Single version - 3:53. Album Version - 4:05. (also available on vinyl 45) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 07 March 2005 at 9:34pm
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me too.....the cheap trick song "i can't stop fallin into love" that is on their greatest hits is identical to the 45 AND cassingle versions even though each plainly states that the version was/is the "radio mix".....they are identical........... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 March 2005 at 10:52pm
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I forgot to mention in my previous posts that Sharon Bryant's "Let Go" and Paul Carrack's "I Live by the Groove" are also available on vinyl 45.
Cinderella - Shelter Me ==> Album version - 4:46. (Whitburn - 4:30) (also available on vinyl 45) Commercial cassette and promo CD single copies show a printed run time of 4:50, so this may be a case where Whitburn's reported single time is way off. Therefore, the commercial single and album version may be the same. Citizen King - Better Days (and the Bottom Drops Out) ==> Single version - 3:37*. Album version - 3:26. (also available on vinyl 45) Cleopatra - Cleopatra's Theme ==> Single version - 3:49*. Album version - 4:08. (Whitburn - 3:48) Climie Fisher - Love Changes Everything ==> Album version - 4:28. (Whitburn - 3:54) (also available on vinyl 45) The printed run time on the commercial 45 is 3:54. Jude Cole - Time for Letting Go ==> Single version - 4:17. Album version - 4:17. (also available on vinyl 45) The single version is a remix and features an additional electric guitar dub during the chorus. Natalie Cole - I Live for Your Love ==> Album version - 4:25. (Whitburn - 4:12) (also available on vinyl 45) The printed run time on the commercial vinyl 45 label is 4:12. Natalie Cole - Pink Cadillac ==> Album version - 4:27. (Whitburn - 4:14) (also available on vinyl 45) The printed run time on the commercial vinyl 45 label is 4:14. Paula Cole - Where Have All the Cowboys Gone? ==> Single version - 3:46*. Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 3:46) (also available on vinyl 45) Collective Soul - Shine ==> Single version - 4:40. Album version - 5:05. (also available on vinyl 45) The single version is a remix edit. Collective Soul - December ==> Single version - 4:09*. Album version - 4:45. (Whitburn - 4:13) (also available on vinyl 45) Color Me Badd - Slow Motion ==> Single version - 4:35. Album version - 4:24. (also available on vinyl 45) The commercial cassette single features the "Freeze Frame Mix". Color Me Badd - Forever Love ==> Single version - 4:28. Album version - 5:09. (also available on vinyl 45) Commercial singles all feature the "radio edit" on the A-side. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 13 March 2005 at 7:44pm
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Regarding "Forever Love" by Color Me Badd, I just checked the version found on "Young, Gifted And Badd - The Remixes" and compared it to the version found on "O.S.T. Mo' Money" and found them to be identical. This is odd since I thought the song first appeared on the movie soundtrack and so my question is how could it be remixed on the "Young, Gifted And Badd" cd? Could the single have been released prior to the movie soundtrack?
Regarding "I Live For Your Love" by Natalie Cole, the time on the 45 is incorrectly listed as 4:12 when the 45 actually runs 4:22 and is slightly faster than the LP, so there really is no 45 version. Regarding "Shine" by Collective Soul, the liner notes from the "VH1 - I Love The 90's" cd claim the version included on that cd is the 45 version (Atlantic 87237) but it runs (3:54). If this is not the 45 version then can anyone explain where the (3:54) version comes from? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 March 2005 at 3:35pm
Pat: I have "Forever Love" on the O.S.T. Mo' Money CD, the promo CD single, and have listened to it on cassette single. They all sound identical to me. It's possible the song might not have been remixed at all and the record label may have simply been looking for a way to include it on an actual Color Me Badd release. But you're right... It doesn't make sense to include the LP version on what's supposed to be a remix album.
As I established in my previous post, the single version of "Shine" runs 4:40 on the cassette single, but it's possible that the vinyl 45 might have a different edit. There were at least three different promo CD single pressings for "Shine". Here are their track listings and printed run times: (Atlantic PRCD 5562) 1) Remix edit - 4:39 2) Remix LP Version - 5:05 Note: This promo CD appears to be identical to the commercial cassette single release. (Atlantic PRCD 5572) 1) Edit - ? 2) LP version - ? Note: I'm assuming this disc contains an edit of the CD album version and the CD album version itself. (Atlantic PRCD 5655) 1) EDIT - GUITAR SOLO DELETED - 3:55 It looks like the version of "Shine" on the VH1 - I Love The 90's CD could very well be the 3:55 radio edit with the deleted guitar solo. I'm aiming to purchase the PRCD 5562 and PRCD 5655 promo discs soon, so I will post the actual run times once I get them. Meanwhile, someone may want to check the commercial vinyl 45 to see if the 3:55 radio edit is on there. This is a distinct possibility because the Canadian vinyl 45 is reported to state "radio edit" on the label. |
Moderator wrote:Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 14 March 2005 at 6:12pm
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hey todd.....the song "shine" issued on the cassingle atlantic 87237 contains the "remix edit version" (4:39) on the a-side and "remix lp version" (5:05) on the b-side.........the cassingle contains the same tracks that are on the promo cd sgl atlantic 5562.........hope this helps ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 March 2005 at 7:41pm
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Thanks, Ed, for verifying that bit of info on the Collective Soul "Shine" promo single.
I have a couple of updates before I post the next batch of entries... Brandy - Baby ==> My lovely and gracious girlfriend has this song on commercial cassette single and I clocked the run time at 4:20. Color Me Badd - Slow Motion ==> As I reported in a previous post, the single version is a remix with a run time of 4:35. Some readers may be wondering if the 4:34 remix appearing on the Young, Gifted and Badd (Giant 24480) CD is the single version. After listening and comparing, I have concluded that it definitely is not. Ok, cool... Let's move on to 12 more new entries: Color Me Badd - Choose ==> Single version - 3:57. Album version - 4:22. (available on vinyl 45) Commercial cassette and vinyl single copies contain the "radio edit" on the A-side. Coolio - Fantastic Voyage ==> Album version - 5:32. (Whitburn - 4:14) (available on vinyl 45) The commercial cassette single features the "radio version" on the A-side. Commercial maxi-CD single copies meanwhile appear to have the album version as the lead track. Coolio - 1,2,3,4 (Sumpin' New) ==> Single version - 3:20. Album version - 3:32. (available on vinyl 45) The commercial cassette single features the "Timber Mix clean" version on the A-side. CD and vinyl single copies feature the "Timber Mix" but I don't know if this is the clean version or not because I only have the cassingle. Coolio - It's All the Way Live (Now) ==> Single version - 3:35. Album version - 4:18. (available on vinyl 45) Commercial single copies contain the "Timber Mix". Coolio featuring 40 Thevz - C U When U Get There ==> Single version - 5:06. Album version - 4:38. Commercial single copies feature "Coolio's album version" on the A-side. The Nothing to Lose soundtrack version runs 4:38. The Cover Girls - Because of You ==> (Whitburn - 3:55) (available on vinyl 45) Did this song ever appear on a Cover Girls album? Deborah Cox with R.L. - We Can't Be Friends ==> Album version - 4:40. (Whitburn - 4:15) I just ordered a commercial CD single copy, so I will report the actual run time after the disc arrives. The Cranberries - When You're Gone ==> Single version - 4:29. Album version - 4:54. (available on vinyl 45) I have this song on commercial maxi-CD single and promo CD single and it runs 4:29 on both. I don't have a commercial two track CD or cassette single copy, but my research indicates that the song runs 4:54 on these latter configurations just like the album version. The Cranberries - Free to Decide ==> (Whitburn - 4:49) (available on vinyl 45) This song is the B-side or backup track of "When You're Gone" on commercial single copies. I have the maxi-CD single where "Free to Decide" is Track 2 and runs 4:23 just like the album version. Does anyone have a commercial single pressing that reflects Joel Whitburn's listed run time of 4:49? Robert Cray Band - Smoking Gun ==> Album version - 4:05. (Whitburn - 3:21) (available on vinyl 45) David Crosby & Phil Collins - Hero ==> Album version - 4:38. (Whitburn - 4:26) (available on vinyl 45) The printed run time on the vinyl 45 is 4:38, which is the same length as the album version. I don't have any run time info about the cassette single. Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do ==> Single version - 4:06*. Album version - 4:31. (Whitburn - 4:06) (available on vinyl 45) |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 16 March 2005 at 6:09am
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The Cover Girls' "Because of You" most definitely
appeared on one of their albums - their 1987 debut, in fact. The album was titled "Show Me", and was released on the indie Fever label (Fever 4). I bought it on cassette myself just after it came out, and still have it to this day. I just checked the 10th edition, and see that for whatever reason, Pat doesn't have the "Show Me" CD listed under "Because of You", so he needs to add it - last time I checked, it was still in print on CD here in the U.S., on the Warlock label (although I don't have that CD re-issue)... For anyone who liked the so-called "freestyle" dance craze of the late '80s/early '90s, the "Show Me" album was definitely a classic! It's up there w/ Shannon's "Let the Music Play" (1984) and Expose's "Exposure" (1987). There isn't a bum track on it - and off the top of my head, I can't recall another album on an indie label from the last 25 years that yielded *five* hits on the pop chart ("Show Me", "Spring Love", "Because of You", "Promise Me", and "Inside Outside"). It's no surprise that the group was quickly snatched up by a major (Capitol) for their second album, 1989's "We Can't Go Wrong". Highly recommended... |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 17 March 2005 at 9:32pm
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I appreciate you clearing up my question regarding the Cover Girls' "Because of You", 80smusicfreak. I have a hunch Pat will be including information on the Show Me CD in the 11th edition of T40MOCD. :-)
Getting back now to the list... For what it's worth, I will avoid redundancy by not listing songs whose 45 versions have already been discussed in detail elsewhere on the message board, such as Def Leppard's "Hysteria", De La Soul's "Me, Myself & I", and Cathy Dennis' "Touch Me (All Night Long)". Cutting Crew - One for the Mockingbird ==> Album version - 4:27. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45) Da Brat - Give It 2 You ==> Album version - 3:12. (Whitburn - 3:50) Da Brat - Sittin' on Top of the World ==> Album version - 4:15. (Whitburn - 4:00) Michael Damian - Was It Nothing At All? ==> Single version - 3:57. Album version - 4:32. Damn Yankees - Where You Goin' Now ==> Single version - 4:26. Album version - 4:38. (available on vinyl 45) D'Angelo - Brown Sugar ==> CD single version - 4:02. Album version - 4:22. (Whitburn - 4:22) I have the commercial CD single release for this song and Track 1 contains the "radio version", which runs 4:02. The cassette single meanwhile is reported to contain the 4:22 album version. I hope someone can confirm this. dc Talk - Just Between You and Me ==> Single version - 3:45*. Album version - 4:58. (Whitburn - 3:45) (available on vinyl 45) The commercial cassette single features the "radio edit". The Deele - Two Occasions ==> Single version - 4:08*. Album Version - 4:16. (Whitburn - 4:12) (available on vinyl 45) Edtop40 informs me the vinyl 45 run time is 4:08, which is shorter than the LP length. He also says the 45 version can be found on Greatest Hits (Solar/Right Stuff 82078), but claims the song runs :10 longer on this CD than the 45. Def Leppard - Two Steps Behind ==> Single version - 4:18. Commercial single copies all feature the "acoustic version". Therefore, it can be accurately noted that the following CDs: O.S.T. Last Action Hero (Columbia 57127) , Retroactive (Mercury 314518305) , and Greatest Hits (Mercury 314528718) all contain the single version of this song. Cathy Dennis - You Lied to Me ==> Album version - 5:26. (Whitburn - 3:32) Brian W. pointed out in another thread that DJ CD copies of this single contain a radio edit that runs 3:37. I'm near certain commercial singles contain the radio edit as well, but I currently don't have a copy to confirm this. Digable Planets - Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat) ==> Album version - 4:21. (Whitburn - 4:04) (available on vinyl 45) My research reveals that commercial single copies contain the "7-inch Mix". Dino - Sunshine ==> Single version - 4:05. Album version - 3:46. (available on vinyl 45) Cassette single and promo CD single copies states that the song is an "edit" even though it runs longer than the album version. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 March 2005 at 10:01pm
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Dino - Gentle ==> Single version - 4:10. Album version - 5:21.
Commercial cassette and promo CD single copies contains the "edit" version as the A-side or lead-off track. Dino - Ooh Child ==> Single version - 3:58. Album version - 4:12. Commercial single copies features the "radio edit". Celine Dion - Where Does My Heart Beat Now ==> Album version - 4:32. (Whitburn - 4:20) (available on vinyl 45) The printed run time on the commercial cassette single is reported to be 4:33 so I'm almost willing to bet that the single and album version are identical and that Joel Whitburn's listed run time of 4:20 is wrong. Still, it's probably worth checking anyway if anyone has a commercial single copy. Celine Dion - (If There Was) Any Other Way ==> Album version - 4:00. (Whitburn - 4:15) (available on vinyl 45) Celine Dion - It's All Coming Back to Me Now ==> Single version - 5:28. Album version - 7:35. (Whitburn - 5:28) (available on vinyl 45) The 5:28 edit that appears on commercial cassette and CD-5 single copies can be found on the All the Way...A Decade of Song (Epic/550 Music 63760) CD. Celine Dion - All by Myself ==> Single version - 3:57*. Album version - 5:10. (Whitburn - 3:51) (available on vinyl 45) Dishwalla - Counting Blue Cars ==> Album version - 4:49. (Whitburn - 4:21) I have a heavy electric guitar remix of this song on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio subscription CD series that runs 4:28 and claims to be the "radio edit". I'm not sure if this is the same edit version though that is reported to appear on commercial and promo CD single copies with a printed run time of 4:20. I'll do further research on this. Any help of course is appreciated. Divine - Lately ==> Single version - 4:17*. Album version - 4:42. (Whitburn - 4:15) I don't have the Pop to the Power of 16 (Redline/Rhino 75746) CD listed in the 10th edition, but I'd say there's a strong likelihood the 4:17 version appearing on this disc is the single version. Divine - One More Try ==> Album version - 5:02. (Whitburn - 4:10) Commercial CD single copies show Track 1 as the "radio edit" with a printed run time of 4:10. Mickey Dolenz and Peter Tork of the Monkees - That Was Then, This Is Now ==> Single and album version - 4:00. (Whitburn - 3:46) (available on vinyl 45) I asked Edtop40 about this one and he tells me the 45 runs 4:00 and is identical to the LP version. It should be noted that the 45 label incorrectly states the run time is 3:46, which is likely how Whitburn came up with his listed time. Double - The Captain of Her Heart ==> Album version - 4:31. (Whitburn - 4:00) (available on vinyl 45) Dru Hill - In My Bed ==> Album version - 4:44. (Whitburn - 3:50) (available on vinyl 45) Commercial single copies indicates that the A-side or lead track is a "radio edit". The CD single shows a printed run time of 3:59 (not sure if this is also true of the cassette single). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:38pm
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One quick update before I resume...
After 7 - 'Til You Do Me Right ==> Single version - 4:12*. Album version - 4:53. I picked up a promo CD single copy of this song (Virgin DPRO 12744) and the "edit" version runs 4:12. I'm at least 99% positive this is exactly the same as the commercial single version. Back to our regularly scheduled program... Dru Hill - Never Make a Promise ==> Album version - 5:26. (Whitburn - 4:01) Commercial single track listings indicate the A-side or lead-off track is a "radio edit". Dru Hill - How Deep Is Your Love ==> Album version - 3:43, 4:01, and 4:09 (Whitburn - 3:44) It's difficult to determine the "official" album version here since the song runs 3:43 on the clean version of the O.S.T. Rush Hour (Def Jam Music Group 314558663) CD, 4:09 on the explicit version (Def Jam Music Group 314558660), and 4:01 on the Dru Hill Enter the Dru (Island Black Music 314524542) disc. Judging by Whitburn's listed time, I'm going to take an educated guess that the censored 3:43 version is the commercial single version. This will of course need to be checked and confirmed. JD featuring Da Brat - The Party Continues ==> Album version - 4:15. (Whitburn - 4:00) According to my research, commercial single copies contain a "main" mix version with a printed run time of 4:03. Stacy Earl - Love Me All Up ==> Album version - 4:55. (Whitburn - 3:50) (available on vinyl 45) All commercial single copies are reported to state "radio edit" on the label with a printed run time of 3:59. Kevon Edmonds - 24/7 ==> Album version - 4:33. (Whitburn - 3:42) Electronic - Getting Away with It ==> Album version - 5:13. (Whitburn - 4:19) (available on vinyl 45) EMF - Lies ==> Album version - 4:27. (Whitburn - 3:34) En Vogue - Give It Up, Turn It Loose ==> Single version - 4:05. Album version - 5:09. En Vogue - Don't Let Go (Love) ==> Single version - 4:03*. Album version - 4:51. (Whitburn - 4:04) (available on vinyl 45) En Vogue - Whatever ==> Single version - 4:10*. Album version - 4:19. (Whitburn - 4:08) En Vogue - Too Gone, Too Long ==> Single version - 4:05*. Album version - 4:41. Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine - Betcha Say That ==> Album version - 4:37. (Whitburn - 3:40) (available on vinyl 45) |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:46am
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Coolio - Fantastic Voyage ==> Album version - 5:32. (Whitburn - 4:14) (available on vinyl 45)
The commercial cassette single features the "radio version" on the A-side. Commercial maxi-CD single copies meanwhile appear to have the album version as the lead track. I don't believe you have made any entry yet Todd regarding dj edits of the song "Fantastic Voyage" so what is the running time of the "radio version" of this song? Robert Cray Band - Smoking Gun ==> Album version - 4:05. (Whitburn - 3:21) (available on vinyl 45) Here is another strange situation I guess as you say Whitburn lists this 45 as running 3:21. I pulled out my vinyl 45 and the label states a running time of 4:05 and it does run 4:05. The label also has the word "long" printed on the label and this is also etched in the runout groove as part of the matrix number. This leads me to believe that there were actually 2 different commercial 45's of this song pressed. Does anyone have the short 3:21 version? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 10:56am
Anytime I list only the album version run time along with Whitburn's listed single run time, it means I don't have a commercial single copy to verify that the single and album version are different. I guess I could've better articulated my comments by saying I've determined through my research that the commercial cassette single contains the "radio version". I don't have a DJ copy either, so I don't know the "radio version" run time. Whitburn's listed time of 4:14 is supposedly based on the cassingle release, so chances are he is somewhere in the ballpark. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:44pm
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I own the promo CD single of Coolio's "Fantastic Voyage," and I used to own the cassette single. I can verify the cassette single used the Radio Version (which was the "clean" album version, replacing a line or two -- "don't you say shit" was replaced with "don'tcha say a word" -- and blanking out the swearing), running 4:03 b/w the Timber Radio Mix, running 4:00.
The promo CD single contains: 1. Timber Radio Edit (listed 4:04, actual 4:00) 2. Radio Version (listed 4:04, actual 4:03) The commercial maxi-CD contained: 1. Album Version (actual 4:04) 2. Timber Mix 5:32 3. Dave Bellachio Street Mix 4:20 4. QDII Remix 4:30 5. U Know Whoo! (Album Version 3:51) 6. Fantastic Voyage (QDIII BOnus Beats 4:30) Now... here's where the real confusion comes in. There were AT LEAST two pressings of the album, maybe more. Both the commercial and promotional "clean versions" of the album (that I own) use the Timber Radio Edit of Fantastic Voyage (and matrix numbers reveal them to be the same disc. But on the commercial version, the running time is listed as 5:32, which is the running time of the full Timber Mix. The promo album lists it as 4:04, which is the running time of the original "dirty" album mix. Now, where this 4:14 run time from Joel Whitburn comes from, I don't know, but it's likely another typo. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:47pm
| Just as a note, you can easily tell the difference between the two mixes -- the Timber Radio Edit starts out with a moment of solo "guitar" picking, and the song ends cold. The Radio Version just starts out with the beat, and fades out at the end. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 3:44pm
Yes, the cassette single used the "LP Edit." I remember buying the cassette single and then going through quite a lot of trouble to find the promo CD single to get that version. It runs 4:07 on the promo, which incorrectly lists it as 4:17. (The promo has a totally different cover than the commercial cassette and CD -- I remember I switched the front insert card so my promo copy would match the commercial single!)
Verified -- same as the lead-off track on the commercial CD maxi-single and the two-track cassette single.
Verified with my commercial CD single, which was backed with the LP-length instrumental.
Yes, my commercial CD single uses the "Single Edit" at 3:33, b/w a remix of the song "Top of the World."
Busta Rhymes - Woo-Hah!! Got You All in Check ==> Album version - 4:31. (Whitburn - 4:15) Commercial singles all feature the "Radio Edit" as the lead track or the A-side. Joel Whitburn reports the commercial single run time to be 4:15, as indicated in parenthesis proceeding the album version run time above.
My promo CD single with the "Radio Edit" runs 4:12. I've got more of these on commercial CD singles, so more later. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 12:44am
I just realized Brian has already answered my question regarding which version of Coolio's "1,2,3,4 (Sumpin' New)" appears on the commercial CD single. I'll reprint here what he posted about it on the "cassette singles different from the 45" thread:
I have some other updates to report, thanks to some much appreciated help from Edtop40. He will be working more closely with me in verifying many of the single run times I've inquired about in this thread. Another Bad Creation - Iesha ==> Single length - 4:17. Album length - 4:21. Ed has the song on cassette single and says it is the same as the album version, except the single fades out a few seconds sooner at 4:17. He also notes the cassingle's label and cardboard sleeve both state "LP version". Michael Bolton featuring Kenny G - Missing You Now Ed informs me that the run time is 4:33 on the commercial cassette single and is identical to the album version. This means the 4:24 version that appears on Greatest Hits 1985-1995 (Columbia 67300), Love Songs (Columbia/Legacy 85351), and Timeless (The Classics)/Timeless (The Classics) Vol. 2/Love Songs (Columbia/Legacy 86065) fades out :09 sooner than the commercial single and album version. Natalie Cole - Pink Cadillac ==> Single version - 4:14. Album version - 4:27. The word from Ed here is the song runs 4:14 on the commercial 45, just as the label's run time states. Celine Dion - (If There Was) Any Other Way ==> Single length - 4:13. Album length - 4:00. Ed verified the time on his commercial cassette single copy. This is a fairly rare case where the single runs longer than the album version. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 5:53am
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Todd Ireland wrote: Celine Dion - (If There Was) Any Other Way ==> Single length - 4:13. Album length - 4:00. Ed verified the time on his commercial cassette single copy. This is a fairly rare case where the single runs longer than the album version. Is the (4:13) single a 45 length or is it a distinct "version"? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 9:23am
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I asked Ed if the commercial single version of "(If There Was) Any Other Way" is a different mix than the LP version. He sent me an mp3 copy and I did an A/B comparison to the 4:00 version on my Celine Dion Unison CD. Basically the mixes are very similar. However, the single version does have reverb added to it, which is most noticeable on the song's opening percussion strikes. The single mix also has an added synthesizer overdub from 2:49-2:51.
Ed and I both say the 4:13 single is a distinct version. So my comments for "(If There Was) Any Other Way" should be revised to read: Single version - 4:13. Album version - 4:00. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:35am
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Here are a few updates...
Another Bad Creation - Iesha I'm still trying to find out if the 3:10 version is a DJ edit or if it's on commercial vinyl 45 copies. Collective Soul - Shine I now have a promo CD copy of Atlantic PRCD 5655. It contains one track - Radio Edit - and runs 3:54. The radio edit is an edit of the single remix version found on the commercial cassette single. Collective Soul - December ==> Single version - 4:10. Album version - 4:45. The single version run time has now been verified. By the way, I want to thank Brian for his recent contributions to this thread. I hope he'll continue to share more commercial single info in the future. Back to the list we go! Gloria Estefan - Live for Loving You ==> Album version - 4:36. (Whitburn - 4:14) (available on vinyl 45) The single version is a remix. Gloria Estefan - Heaven's What I Feel ==> Single version - 4:33*. Album version - 5:02. (available on vinyl 45) Deon Estus with George Michael - Heaven Help Me ==> Album version - 4:38. (Whitburn - 4:25) (available on vinyl 45) Melissa Etheridge - If I Wanted To ==> Single version - 3:29*. Album version - 3:54. (Whitburn - 3:27) (available on vinyl 45) My research indicates maxi-CD single copies feature a "night mix". Anyone know if this is a different mix than the edit on commercial cassette and vinyl single copies? Faith Evans - Soon As I Get Home ==> Album version - 5:21. (Whitburn - 4:34) Eve - Gotta Man ==> Album version - 4:24. (Whitburn - 5:49) This single was only available commercially on a 12-inch vinyl format. Everything but the Girl - Missing ==> Single version - 4:09*. Original album version - 4:03. (Whitburn - 4:11) I believe the commercial cassette single features the "Todd Terry Club Mix" on the A-side, which is the remix most commonly found on CD and most often heard on radio. Although the 10th edition of T40MOCD doesn't mention it, the "Todd Terry Club Mix" does appear as Track 11 on the Amplified Heart (Atlantic 82605) CD. I no longer have this CD, but my research indicates the run time for this remix is 4:09. Elisa Fiorillo - On the Way Up ==> Single version - 3:57. Album version - 4:17. Lisa Fischer - How Can I Ease the Pain ==> Single version - 4:13. Album version - 5:24. Fleetwood Mac - Save Me ==> Single length - 4:05. Album length - 4:13. (available on vinyl 45) Foreigner - Say You Will ==> Album version - 4:11. (Whitburn - 3:59) (available on vinyl 45) The run time printed on the 45 label is 3:59. Four Seasons - December 1963 (Oh, What a Night) I used to have the '94 remix on cassette single and I'm pretty sure it contained the 6:13 full length version as the leadoff track. Maybe someone can time their copy and verify it with us just to be sure. If I recall correctly, the cassingle also contains two radio edits. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 April 2005 at 3:54pm
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Looks like we can file away the following cases as "solved"...
Aaliyah - The One I Gave My Heart To ==> Single version - 3:53. Album version - 4:29. Thank you, Edtop40, for confirming this. Herb Alpert - Making Love in the Rain ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 5:54. Ed informs me the vinyl 45 actually runs 4:06, not 3:50 as stated on the record label. Black Box - I Don't Know Anybody Else ==> Single version - 4:00. Album version - 4:32. Ed reports the cassette single contains the "Edit" and runs 4:00, which is two seconds longer than the "Edit" runs on my promo CD (RCA 2738-2-RDJ). Everything but the Girl - Missing ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:03. Ok, Ed confirms the cassette single indeed features the "Todd Terry Club Mix" and says his copy runs 4:06. This is a few seconds shorter than it runs on my promo disc and I believe on the Amplifed Heart (atlantic 82605) CD as well, but I'll go with his time since he's actually using a commercial single copy. The single version appears on the various artist disc The Absolute Hits (Atlantic 83158). Foreigner - Say You Will ==> Single length - 3:59. Album length - 4:11. The vinyl 45 is an early fade of the LP, according to my Top 40 music collecting partner-in-crime. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 8:24pm
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Thank you, Edtop40, for verifying the following:
Ace of Base - Living in Danger ==> Single version - 3:09. Album version - 3:41. Commercial single copies indeed contain a single remix which runs 3:09. All Saints - I Know Where It's At ==> Single version - 4:01. Album version - 5:08. The commercial CD single track listing and actual run times are: 1) Gutfather & Jo's Alternative Mix - Radio (4:01); 2) Original Radio Mix (4:00). The Gutfather & Jo's Alternative Mix is considered the official A-side and the version I was accustomed to hearing on Top 40 radio. What makes this mix most distinguishable is the room full of chattering people heard during the first :03 before the music starts. Promo CD single copies on London PRCD 7683-2 contain the same two tracks as the commercial single, so the Original Radio Mix may have gotten some airplay as well. Double - The Captain of Her Heart ==> Single version - 3:59. Album version - 4:31. We now continue... Aretha Franklin - Another Night ==> Album version - 4:28. (Whitburn - 3:57) (available on vinyl 45) Aretha Franklin - A Rose Is Still a Rose ==> Single version - 3:59. Album version - 4:26. The first :01 of the single version is a capella. The single version also does not contain the spoken intro found on the album version. I don't have the Ultimate Dance Party 1999 (Arista 19026) CD, but the 10th edition of T40MOCD lists "A Rose Is Still a Rose" as running (3:57) on this disc. It might be the single version. Debbie Gibson - Staying Together ==> Album version - 4:04. (Whitburn - 4:15) (available on vinyl 45) Gin Blossoms - Follow You Down ==> Single version - 3:44. Album version - 4:28. (available on vinyl 45) Ginuwine - Pony ==> Cassette single version? - 4:11*. Album version - 5:24. (Whitburn - 4:11) The 4:11 edit of "Pony" was widely played on radio, but I'm not clear though if this edit is the single version or a DJ edit. Whitburn lists the cassette single run time at 4:11. Commercial CD single copies meanwhile appear to state "album version" on the jacket. Whatever the case, the single version (radio edit?) can be found on the R&B: From Doo-Wop to Hip-Hop (Columbia/Epic/Legacy 65801) 2-disc set. Can anyone verify if the single version (radio edit?) is also on any of the following CDs: Sony Music 100 Years: Soundtrack for a Century (Box Set) (Columbia/Epic/Legacy 65750), Urban Legends (Epic 86504), and Monsta Jamz (Razor & Tie 89053)? Glass Tiger - I Will Be There ==> Album version - 3:26. (Whitburn - 3:08) (available on vinyl 45) GTR - When the Heart Rules the Mind ==> Album version - 5:26. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45) My sources suggest there are two 45 versions of this song. The printed run times for them are reported to be 3:58 and 4:27. Aaron Hall - All the Places (I Will Kiss You) ==> CD single version - 5:14. Album version - 3:58. Was this song ever made available on cassette single? If so, I'd like to know which version of the song was on it. Hanson - MMMBop ==> Single version - 3:56*. Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45) Heavy D - Big Daddy ==> Album version - 4:09. (Whitburn - 3:48) Commercial CD single copies state "Lp version" on the back cover. I haven't come across a cassette single copy though, which is supposedly what Whitburn used as his source to come up with his 3:48 run time. Hootie & The Blowfish - Let Her Cry ==> Single verison - 4:10*. Album version - 5:07. (Whitburn - 4:12) (available on vinyl 45) Whitney Houston - All the Man That I Need ==> Album version - 4:09. (Whitburn - 3:53) (available on vinyl 45) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 2:35pm
| Pony - Ginuwine - There actually wasn't an "edit" of this song. The reason that the Album Version is listed as 5:24 is because at the end of the song (at 4:11 or so), there was an interlude before the next track. This interlude was not given a seperate track, but just like on the singles for "Pony" the song on the actual album fades all the way out around 4:11. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 9:03pm
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Thanks, Aaron K., for clearing up the details regarding Ginuwine's "Pony".
All right, first some updates... Aaliyah - If Your Girl Only Knew A while back, Aaron reported his commercial CD single contains the "LP Version" and a few remixes. The commercial cassette single looks to be a different story. I spotted a used cassingle copy at a local record shop and the cardboard sleeve states it contains the "radio edit" with a printed run time of 3:55. My girlfriend says she has a copy so I will borrow it from her and come back with the official verdict. Dishwalla - Counting Blue Cars Ed has a commercial cassette single copy and says it contains the "LP version" and runs 4:51. Meanwhile, I'm getting conflicting reports as to whether an "edit" version appears on the two track commercial CD single. The edit can be found on promo CD single copies (A&M AMCDP 0012) with an actual run time of 4:21. It is an edit of the LP version. Interestingly, I have what claims to be the "radio edit" of "Counting Blue Cars" on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio DJ CD series but it runs 4:28. Upon closer examination, it too is an edit of the LP version and not a remix as I've previously stated. I have not seen an official promo CD single release with this 4:28 edit though. Deon Estus with George Michael - Heaven Help Me ==> Single version - 4:27. Album version - 4:38. Thanks to Edtop40 for confirming his vinyl 45 copy. Now, here's my next batch of entries.... Whitney Houston - Step by Step ==> Album version - 4:32. (Whitburn - 4:09) (available on vinyl 45) Commercial cassette single copies are reported to contain the "album version" with a printed run time of 4:12. Whitney Houston featuring Faith Evans and Kelly Price - Heartbreak Hotel ==> Single version - 4:04. Album version - 4:41. Commercial CD single copies feature the "Original Radio Mix" and runs 4:04, not 3:59 as printed on the cardboard sleeve. The single version of "Heartbreak Hotel" appears on Houston's The Greatest Hits (Arista 14626). Adina Howard - Freak Like Me ==> Single version - 4:04*. Album version - 4:12. (Whitburn - 3:58) H-Town - Knockin' Da Boots ==> Single version - 4:32. Album version - 5:27. Ed was kind enough to e-mail me an mp3 of the "single version" from his commercial cassette single copy. I compared it to the 4:27 version on the Strip Jointz - Hot Songs for Sexy Dancers (Robbins 75002) CD and made an interesting discovery. The 4:27 version on the Strip Jointz CD is essentially the single version except it's missing the spoken dialogue and background vocals during the first :33. The song also fades out :05 sooner on this CD than on the comercial single version. I'm not aware if a promo CD was ever issued for this song containing a "no talk" intro. Human League - Tell Me When ==> Single version length - 4:42. Album version length - 4:50. (available on vinyl 45) The single version appears on the Very Best Of (Ark21 10034) CD. I don't have the 4:50 album version from the band's Octopus (EastWest 61788) disc. Therefore, could someone who has both of these CDs tell me if the single is an edit or an early fade of the album version? Ice Cube featuring Das EFX - Check Yo Self ==> Album version - 3:42. (Whitburn - 3:54) Immature - Constantly ==> Album version - 5:42. (Whitburn - 4:05) Immature featuring Smooth and Ed from Good Burger - Watch Me Do My Thing ==> Album version - 3:50. (Whitburn - 3:39) Commercial cassette copies are reported to contain the "Radio Version" with a printed run time of 3:46. Indecent Obsession - Tell Me Something ==> Album version - 4:30. (Whitburn - 4:00) (available on vinyl 45) James Ingram - I Don't Have the Heart ==> Single length - 3:59. Album length - 4:11. (available on vinyl 45) Intro - Come Inside ==> Album version - 8:07. (Whitburn - 4:07) Commercial single copies do indicate "radio edit" as the A-side or leadoff track. Chris Isaak - Wicked Game ==> Album version - 4:46. (Whitburn - 4:06) (available on vinyl 45) Vinyl 45 copies are reported to state "edit" on the record label. The single edit should be on the cassette single as well. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 10:27pm
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I'm not sure if this helps or not, but I have a 4-track CD single (commercial) of Dishwalla - Counting Blue Cars and it contains the LP Version.
With regards to H-Town - Knockin' Da Boots, I've never seen the promo CD single, but when I played it on top 40 radio back in the day, we used a copy from the "Hitmakers" CD series (sent only to radio stations), and the mix was labeled as "Top 40 Edit" on the tray card of the disc. It was the 4:30 (time unconfirmed) version that did not contain the spoken dialogue at the beginning. Also, on Ice Cube f/Das EFX - Check Yo Self, Whitburn is probably listing the time for the remix version, which was the hit. The remix featured the sample of "The Message," while the album version was drastically different. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 10:38pm
| One more thing on Everything But The Girl - Missing, the promo single we used to play (PRCD6519) had a version called "Remix Edit," which was very close, but not identical, to the "Todd Terry Club Mix." I don't have my commercial maxi single nearby to compare, but I recall the intros being different. |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 12:44pm
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I have the commercial CD maxi-single for "Freak Like Me"
by Adina Howard (Mecca Don/EastWest 66175-2). The track listing is as follows: 01) Radio Version (4:05) (actual: 4:06) 02) Dub Instrumental (4:12) (actual: 4:11) 03) Boogieless (1:04) (actual: 1:03) 04) Remix (4:16) (actual: 4:16) 05) Remix Without Rap (4:05) (actual: 4:05) 06) Instrumental (4:11) (actual: 4:11) 07) A Cappella (2:34) (actual: 2:34) I also have the promo CD single for "Freak Like Me" (Mecca Don/EastWest PRCD 9094-2). It features track #1, #3, #4, and #5 from the commercial maxi-single above. Hope this helps... |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:19pm
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Edtop40 informs me he also has Dishwalla's "Counting Blue Cars" on the commercial two track CD single released on A&M 1462 and says it contains the LP version with a run time of 4:53. It's beginning to look like all commercial single copies of "Counting Blue Cars" have the LP version. If this is indeed the case, then of course the 4:21 version is a radio edit. I'll continue to do some more research on this though before I come to a definite conclusion.
As for H-Town's "Knockin' Da Boots", I haven't seen a promo CD single for this song either. But you'd think an official promo disc containing the single version or the Top 40 edit must've been made available to radio stations somehow. Otherwise, they'd have all had to play the song either from a subscription promo CD series (like "Hitmakers") or the long 5:27 LP version. Regarding Everything But the Girl's "Missing", I've seen a promo CD single on Atlantic PRCD-5917-2 with the following track listing and printed run times: 1) Album Mix - 4:04 2) Remix Edit - 4:09 3) Lite Mix - 4:05 Then there's also the promo CD on Atlantic PRCD-6519 Aaron describes which has the Remix Edit and Album Version only. By the way... Thanks, Aaron and 80smusicfreak, for your most recent input! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 8:42am
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<James Ingram - I Don't Have the Heart ==> Single length - 3:59. Album length - 4:11. (available on vinyl 45) >
I don't know about this, Todd. Does it just fade earlier? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 3:33pm
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EdisonLite:
The commercial cassette single states I Don't Have the Heart (Fade) on the cassette itself. The promo CD single (Warner Bros. PRO-CD-3939) contains: 1) Fade - 3:59 2) LP Version - 4:11 I did an A/B comparison between the two tracks and the single is definitely just an early fade to me. Are you hearing something on the commercial single to make you think otherwise? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 4:12am
| I have the promo CD as well, and as far as I can tell it's just an early fade of the LP version. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 4:30am
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My promo CD of "Missing" (PRCD 5917-2) contains:
1. Album Mix (actual 4:03) 2. Remix Edit (actual 4:09) (45 version) 3. Lite Mix (actual 4:04) Actually, the Lite Mix is nothing like the Todd Terry Remix Edit. There's no dance beat at all -- it's almost a cappella, with repeated synthesizer notes throughout the song, though there is a brief acoustic guitar intro. The Lite mix was released commercially on the US maxi-CD single, which did not contain the Remix Edit. I recall that some import singles used a different edit of the Todd Terry Club Mix. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 8:01pm
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Freddie Jackson - He'll Never Love You (Like I Do) ==> Single version - 4:03. Album version - 4:43. (available on vinyl 45)
Thanks, Ed, for confirming your vinyl 45 copy. Janet Jackson - Any Time, Any Place ==> Album version - 7:08. (Whitburn - 5:13) (available on vinyl 45) My sources show the commercial CD single features the "R. Kelly Mix" as the leadoff track with a printed run time of 5:08. Janet Jackson - You Want This ==> Single version - 4:46. Album version - 5:05. (available on vinyl 45) The single version is a remix. Janet Jackson - Together Again ==> Single version - 4:06*. Album version - 5:01. (Whitburn - 4:07) (available on vinyl 45) Jesus Jones - Right Here, Right Now ==> Album version - 3:07. (Whitburn - 3:01) Commercial single copies feature the "Righteous Radio Mix" as the A-side or leadoff track. This mix is believed to be different than the album version. I just ordered a copy of this CD single, so I'll give you the scoop when it arrives. Joan Jett - Little Liar ==> Album version - 3:59. (Whitburn - 3:49) (available on vinyl 45) Commercial single copies feature the "Baby Tush Mix" as the A-side or leadoff track. This mix is believed to be different than the album version. Jewel - You Were Meant for Me ==> Single version - 3:45*. Album version - 4:12. (Whitburn - 3:45) The single version is actually a re-recording. Jodeci - Forever My Lady ==> Single version - 4:21. Album version - 5:19. Props go out to Ed for confirming this one, too! Jodeci - Come & Talk to Me ==> Album version - 4:35. (Whitburn - 4:07) (available on vinyl 45) The commercial CD single features the "Album Edit" as the leadoff track with a printed run time of 4:02. Jodeci - Feenin' ==> Album version - 5:10 (Whitburn - 4:15) Joceci - Freek 'n You ==> Album version - 6:19. (Whitburn - 5:06) Joe - All the Things (Your Man Won't Do) ==> Album version - 6:19. (Whitburn - 4:12) (available on vinyl 45) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 April 2005 at 10:52am
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Jesus Jones - Right Here, Right Now - I have the commercial CD single, which has:
1. Hit Radio Mix (2:32 - actual) This is the version that most radio stations played. 2. Righteous Radio Mix (3:03) This is the version that Whitburn lists. 3. Martyn Phillips 12" Mix (5:48) The 3:07 Album Version is a completely different mix from the radio mixes on the single. For one, the Album Version starts with drums for two measures before the guitar comes in. Also, the album version has a shaker along with the guitar in the intro, where the radio mixes just have the guitar by itself. The only difference between the Hit Radio Mix and Righteous Radio Mix is that the guitar solo in the middle of the song is edited out of the Hit Radio Mix. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 April 2005 at 1:13pm
Yes, single version was called simply "Remix," and did indeed run 4:46. The biggest difference is that the single version contained a new rap by MC Lyte. I don't think there was a commercial CD single for this, but it was widely available on import CD singles and one of the two promos. The above all contained the non-LP track "70s Love Groove," which was listed with the title track on the Hot 100, but did not made the airplay chart at all, and is listed by Whitburn simply as a "sales flip." It was not a hit... I don't know why the Billboard entry was "You Want This/70's Love Groove" any more than I know why "Scream" was listed as "Scream/Childhood." "Childhood" was promoted to radio, and failed miserably.
On my commercial CD single, the track (called Radio Edit) runs 4:08. What's interesting about the commercial CD and cassette singles is that they contain three completely separate recordings of the song -- the Radio Edit, plus a slow ballad version (Jimmy Jam Deeper Radio Edit) and a mid-tempo version (the Jimmy Jam Deep Radio Edit), all unique vocal recordings, not just remixes.
Do you mean "Foolish Games," Todd? I know the hit airplay version of "Foolish Games" was a re-recording. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 April 2005 at 1:14pm
| Damn this board! I HATE that you can't edit your posts! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 April 2005 at 1:15pm
| Of course I'm referring to "Together Again" in the second part of my first post. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 April 2005 at 1:25pm
| Actually, Brian & Todd are both correct about the Jewel songs. "You Were Meant For Me" and "Foolish Games" were both re-recorded for single release. I heard from somewhere that the record company asked her to re-record those tracks to make them more radio friendly, since the album versions sound stripped down and unpolished. Her debut single "Who Will Save Your Soul" was released for airplay in its LP version. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 2:37pm
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Regarding GTR "When The Heart Rules The Mind", I have the dj vinyl 45 and indeed there are two versions on the dj 45, one running 3:58 and one 4:27. Not sure if there were two commercial 45 lengths.
Regarding "All The Man I Need" by Whitney Houston, does anyone have the 45 so that you can let us know if the 3:53 45 is just an early fade of the LP version? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 6:36pm
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Regarding the 45 vs LP version of "Tell Me When" by the Human League, as Todd pointed out, the 45 version appears on the "Very Best Of Human League" while the LP version appears on "Octopus". The 45 version is an edit of the LP version and not a remix. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 April 2005 at 5:50pm
Thanks, I appreciate the info, Aaron. My CD single of Jesus Jones' "Right Here, Right Now" arrived today and it turns out I got a promotional copy (SBK Records DPRO-05376). The track listing is identical to the commercial cassette single. Here are the tracks with the actual run times: 1) RIGHTEOUS RADIO MIX - 3:03 2) ALBUM VERSION - 3:07 3) MOVE ME - 3:09 The Righteous Radio Mix is indeed the official commercial single version, which can be found on the Billboard Top Hits: 1991 CD (Rhino 79801). It looks like the single version is also on the Billboard Top Hits of the '90s disc (Rhino 74327), but I don't have a copy to verify.
Thanks for verifying the run time here, Brian. My Promo Only: Mainstream Radio DJ CDs sometimes truncate songs a second or two early, so this is why I frequently ask readers to help me confirm run times whenever I list them with an asterisk (*). By the way, Brian, you seem to have a fairly extensive collection of Janet Jackson singles. Do you have a commercial CD single copy of "Any Place, Any Time" and, if so, could you tell us how long the single version runs?
I've experienced the same frustration as well. Sure, we do have the "Preview Post" feature, which I frequently use, but sometimes I don't catch mistakes until after I've posted my message. By then it's too late. It would be nice if there was an "Edit" feature allowing readers to go back and correct or revise their own posted messages.
It's my understanding that Jewel herself also wanted to re-do these songs. She originally recorded "You Were Meant for Me" and "Foolish Games" long before her Pieces of You album became a success. By that time, she had grown very unhappy with how her vocals sounded on those tracks. She later went back into the studio to re-record both songs for single release. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 19 April 2005 at 1:32pm
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"Any Time, Any Place" was a part of my post at one point, Todd... I don't know what happened to it. I must have deleted it accidentally before I posted. (Maybe I sneezed and blew it off the page -- very bad pollen in L.A. right now!)
The CD maxi single did indeed use the R. Kelly Mix, running 5:11, not 5:08 as it states on label. It and the cassette single contained the LP version of "Throb," which several months prior charted at #66 in airplay (and was released as a separate single in some countries), as well as the non-LP track "And On and On," which hit #38 in airplay, running 4:47, not the 4:49 listed. But the promo CD single of "Any Time, Any Place" used the "R. Kelly Single Edit," which ran 4:35 (actual). The "Single Edit" does not end cold like the full-length R. Kelly Mix, but fades out -- however, it is not a simple fade of the full-length version. There is an edit somewhere before the 4:00 mark. I haven't taken the time to figure out where. Anyone own the cassette single who can verify it's the full R. Kelly Mix on there and not the R. Kelly Single Edit? I believe the cassette packaging said it was the full-length version, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything! |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 23 April 2005 at 6:06pm
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Regarding "Booti Call" by BLACKstreet mentioned way back when on this thread, I just obtained the cassette single and here is what I can report. The jacket on the cassette single states that it is the LP version which it is, including the :09 spoken introduction. The running time on my cassette player is 4:20 while the cd version runs 4:25 but this makes sense since almost all cassette singles run fast. The 4:16 running time on the "No Diggity - Very Best Of" cd comes about because the :09 spoken introduction was removed. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 April 2005 at 8:06pm
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I have one update to relay before diving into the next group of entries...
Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine - Betcha Say That ==> Single version - 3:40. Album version - 4:47. Edtop40 tells me the commercial 45 version is a remix. Also, thanks to Pat and Brian for their most recent updates. One by one, we're uncovering every Top 40 single and album version in existence! There have been several comments on this board about how cassette singles tend to run faster than CDs. I think this has more to do with cassette players though than cassettes themselves. Like turntables, cassette players can vary greatly in playback speed from player to player. I have two in my home and both definitely play cassettes at a faster than normal speed. Meanwhile, the cassette deck in my 1999 Ford Explorer seems to play more at "standard" speed because whenever I time my cassette singles on it (yes, this crazy freak actually goes out and sits in his car with a stop watch!), I find the run times to be very consistent with CD run times. This is just something to keep in mind when timing songs on cassette. And now, without further ado, here are the latest "dirty dozen" to make the list: Joe - Don't Wanna Be a Player ==> Album version - 4:12. (Whitburn - 5:00) It looks like commercial CD single copies contain the "LP Version" with a printed run time of 5:06. Elton John - Club at the End of the Street ==> Single length - 4:40. Album length - 4:49. (Whitburn - 4:27) (available on vinyl 45) Thanks to my main man, Ed, for his input here! Jeremy Jordan - The Right Kind of Love ==> Single and album version - 4:31. (available on vinyl 45) Ed says the version stated on the cassette single is "album version w/rap". I haven't done a comparison, but I'm pretty sure the commercial single is the same as the album version on Jordan's Try My Love (Giant 24483) CD. By the way, the song runs :13 longer than the single and album version on the Beverly Hills, 90210 - The Soundtrack (Giant 24465) CD, and :12 longer than the single and album version on the Pop Super Stars of the '90s (Beast 56102), disc. Montell Jordan - Somethin' 4 Da Honeyz ==> Album version - 4:34. (Whitburn - 4:03) (available on vinyl 45) I can't tell for sure, but it appears commercial single copies feature the "Radio Version" with a printed run time of 4:02. Montell Jordan featuring Master P & Silkk the Shocker - Let's Ride ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:52. The commercial CD single says this is the "Radio Edit" and states a run time of 3:47, but it actually goes 4:06. Thanks again, Ed! Montell Jordan - I Can Do That ==> Album version - 4:44. (Whitburn - 3:42) Looks like commercial single copies contain the "radio edit". Junior M.A.F.I.A. featuring The Notorious B.I.G. - Get Money ==> Album version - 4:33. (Whitburn - 4:07) Kane Gang - Motortown ==> Album version - 4:45. (Whitburn - 3:47) (available on vinyl 45) The printed run time on the commercial vinyl 45 record label is 3:47. K-Ci & JoJo - Tell Me It's Real ==> Single version - 3:40*. Album version - 4:38. (Whitburn - 3:41) (available on vinyl 45) Lisa Keith - Better Than You ==> Single version - 4:15. Album version - 4:11. The commercial single version is also known as the "Original Mix Edit". It is a different mix than the album version. Probably the most distinguishable difference between the two is the single version has no percussion during the first :08 while the album version does. R. Kelly & Public Announcement - Honey Love ==> Album version - 5:04. (Whitburn - 4:52) Sources seem to indicate that commercial cassette single copies contain the "LP Version". Therefore, this could very well be a case where the single and album version are identical. But only until someone verifies this will we know for sure! R. Kelly & Public Announcement - Dedicated ==> Album version - 4:36. (Whitburn - 3:49) |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:04pm
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Todd, I can verify that the cassette single of Honey Love by R. Kelly is indeed the LP version as stated on the cassette single. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 9:46pm
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Thanks for the update, Pat!
I'm long overdue to post some new entries, so here are the next 12: R. Kelly - I Believe I Can Fly ==> Single version - 4:42*. Album version - 5:20. (Whitburn - 4:42) (available on vinyl 45) Commercial single copies state "radio edit". R. Kelly featuring Nas - Did You Ever Think ==> Album version - 4:31. (Whitburn - 4:20) The leadoff track on commercial CD single copies is a remix featuring rapper Nas. However, Joel Whiburn says in Top Pop Singles that promo CD single copies on Jive 42600 do not feature Nas. Tara Kemp - Piece of My Heart ==> Single version - 3:52. Album version - 4:49. My main man Edtop40 confirmed for me that the commercial cassette single contains the "Baby She's a Star Mix". Kris Kross - Warm It Up ==> Album version - 4:08. (Whitburn - 3:45) (available on vinyl 45) Kyper - Tic-Tac-Toe ==> Single version - 3:59. Album version - 6:19. The commercial cassette single features the "Mojoe Radio" edit. La Bouche - Be My Lover ==> Single version - 3:51. Album version - 4:00. (available on vinyl 45) The album version features several verses by a male rapper from the 1:37 to 1:54 mark. By contrast, commercial single copies show the A-side or leadoff track as "Radio Edit 1" and does not contain any rap. The commercial single B-side is called "Radio Edit 2" but is actually identical to the album version. La Bouche - Sweet Dreams ==> Single version - 3:09. Album version - 3:23. (available on vinyl 45) The situation here is basically the same as with "Be My Lover". The album version for "Sweet Dreams" features several verses by a male rapper from 2:15 to 2:31. By contrast, commercial single copies show the A-side or leadoff track as "Radio Edit 1", which edits out the rap segment. I don't have the album version, but I believe it's the same as the as "Radio Edit 2" version appearing on the commercial single B-side. L.A. Guns - Ballad of Jayne ==> Single version - 4:14. Album version - 4:32. George LaMond - Bad of the Heart ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:17. (available on vinyl 45) I got this info from Ed. K.D. Lang - Constant Craving ==> Album version - 4:36. (Whitburn - 4:22) (available on vinyl 45) Retail cassette single copies are reported to contain the "LP Version" so this may be an instance where the single and album version are exactly the same. Cyndi Lauper - Change of Heart ==> Single version - 3:59. Album version - 4:22. (available on vinyl 45) Thanks again, Ed! Le Click - Call Me ==> Single version - 3:44. Album version - 3:43. Ok, I have the commercial 2-track CD single, which contains the following track listing and actual run times: 1) Euro Radio Mix (No Rap) - 3:44 2) Euro Radio Mix (Rap) -3:44. I have heard both of these versions of "Call Me" on Top 40 radio, so I'm guessing both appear on the promo CD single release. I don't have the parent CD Le Click Featuring Kayo (RCA 67528), so I don't know if the rap verses are on the album version. I do know though that the Boom! (Beast 54112) various artist CD has the No Rap mix, which is considered the official single version. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 8:26pm
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With regard to Le Click "Call Me", the RCA cd features the "rap version", the Beast cd features the "no rap version", the Razor & Tie cd titled "The Power" features the "rap version" also listed on the cd jacket as the "spike mix" and the Razor & Tie cd titled "Fired Up" features the "no rap version" also listed on the cd jacket as the "spike mix". So there are two different Razor & Tie cd's calling this the "spike mix" when one has the rap version and one doesn't. Now Todd, why do you say the official 45 version is the "no rap version" when you heard both versions on the radio? You gave an example a while back of Az Yet with Peter Cetera not being the lead track on the cassette single of "Hard To Say I'm Sorry" but you still considered the 45 version to be the version of "Hard To Say I'm Sorry" the version with Az Yet and Peter Cetera which was on the second side of the cassette single. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 8:31pm
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Just as an aside, the dj cd single for "Bad Of The Heart" by George LaMond lists track 1 as being the single edit running 3:55 and track 2 as being the Album version running 4:08 which we know is wrong because the Album version runs 4:17. We will have to go with the commercial 45 time in this case which Ed tells us is 4:06.
Now this 4:06 version that appears on the cd "The Hits...And More" appears to be an early fade of the 4:17 LP track as does the 4:06 version on the promo cd single so Ed since you have the commercial single can you tell us if this is really a 45 version or a 45 length? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 8:36pm
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Now for Cyndi Lauper's "Change Of Heart", it sounds to me like the 3:59 single is just an early fade of the LP version which runs 4:22 so shouldn't the 3:59 single be called 45 length instead of 45 version?
As another aside, there was a dj 45 vinyl record that stated a running time of 4:50 (actual time 4:57) that was a remix of this song (not stated on the label) but it stated on the label that this was from the Portrait LP "True Colors" which is not true as the remix was not on this LP. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 06 May 2005 at 10:34pm
Pat: Good questions. I consider the A-side or leadoff track on commercial single copies to be the official single version of a song with very rare exceptions. Although the "Rap" and "No Rap" version of Le Click's "Call Me" did both receive significant radio airplay, I defer to the "No Rap" version as being the single version by virtue of the fact that it is the leadoff track (Track 1) on the commercial CD single. I understand some might reject this policy as overly simplistic, but I find it helpful when trying to come up with one "definitive" single version of a particular song. Now, regarding Az Yet's "Hard to Say I'm Sorry"... well, I believe this is one of the rare exceptions to my single version rule. Even though the version with Peter Cetera was released as the B-side on the cassette single, I think a special case can be made here to consider it the official single version because this mix was the one specifically promoted to Top 40 radio which in turn gained the song widespread popularity. Also, "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" was listed with the artist credit: Az Yet featuring Peter Cetera during the song's chart run on the Billboard Hot 100.
Ed and I actually discussed whether or not the 45 version of "Change of Heart" should be considered an early fade. I argue that it is not because you cannot duplicate the 45 version simply by fading out the LP version early. If you notice, the LP version features added instrumentation overdubs during the passage where the 45 fades out. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 07 May 2005 at 10:37am
Are you referring to the drums that come in roughly two seconds after Cyndi's last vocal and don't seem to appear on the 45 which fades for maybe :03? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 9:55pm
Yes, that's correct. The drums come in at 3:56 on the LP version, but do not appear at the same point on the 45 version where only the last vestiges of a synthesizer is heard during the final :03 of the song's fadeout from 3:56-3:59. It's a close call and of course the final one is yours to make, Pat. I've just always been of the opinion that the term "45 length" is most accurately defined when an LP version can be faded early to exactly duplicate its 45 version counterpart. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 12:31am
Todd, if an LP version has been made to exactly match the 45 version, shouldn't we simply call it "45 version"? If it matches exactly, how do you know it's not really the 45 version? I always thought Pat's use of the term "45 length" meant that he wasn't 100% sure if it was the 45 version or not, but it was the same length. But in this particular case, it seems to me the accurate description would be "neither the 45 or LP version." |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 4:52am
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45 length to me means it is nothing more than an early fade of the LP length. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 8:10am
I think you may be misunderstanding, Brian. Pat and I are discussing a direct comparison between the commercial vinyl 45 and the LP version of Cyndi Lauper's "Change of Heart". The 45 runs 3:59; the LP runs 4:22. The two versions are identical up until the 3:56 mark, but then the remaining moments are subject to interpretation. We're trying to make a judgement if the 45 is an early fade of the LP (which would therefore warrant a 45 length/LP length distinction) or if it's a slightly different version than the LP (which would warrant a 45 version/LP version distinction). If the 3:59 version of "Change of Heart" were to eventually appear on CD, I honestly don't have a big issue over whether it elicits a "45 version" or "45 length" comment just as long as some notation is made that it differs from the LP. Currently there are five entries in the 10th edition for "Change of Heart" which run between 4:16-4:22 but no mention of any of them being the LP version/length. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:42pm
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I understand -- I was responding to your comment that if an LP version is faded to "exactly duplicate" the 45 version, it should be designated "45 length." I'm just saying if it does EXACTLY match the 45, you wouldn't be able to tell it was the LP version faded early, so why not just call it "45 version."
Anyway, I'm glad I know now what Pat means by "45 length." Though I prefer "LP version faded early in an unsuccessful attempt to match the 45 version," which would seem to apply in this case. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 3:48pm
If a record label were to try creating the 45 version of "Change of Heart" by taking the LP version, fading it out at 3:59, and releasing it on CD, then yes I would definitely agree this would warrant an "LP version faded early in an unsucessful attempt to match the 45 version" comment here because this particular version would contain instruments during the final :03 that are not present on the actual 45. But what's interesting here is that if a record label were to take the LP version, fade it out at 3:56, and release it, this may elicit something like a "faded :03 sooner than the 45 length" comment (although I don't think Pat normally makes note of such time discrepencies unless it exceeds five seconds). It's amazing what a difference a few seconds can make in how we perceive a song! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 May 2005 at 6:08pm
| I have both the full-length CD of La Bouche and the singles for "Be My Lover" and "Sweet Dreams." As far as I can remember, the post above is correct for "Be My Lover." However, the LP Version and "Radio Edit 2" for "Sweet Dreams" are different. It is a different guy who raps on the "Radio Edit 2" version of "Sweet Dreams," although the lyrics are the same. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 11 May 2005 at 10:55pm
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In my recent discussion with Pat, I articulated my policy to designate the A-side or leadoff track on commercial singles as the official single version for a particular song. But in the case of commercial singles like Le Click's "Call Me", which contains two versions that received significant airplay, Pat has gotten me to thinking it would actually make a lot more sense to use comments like "45 version with rap" and "45 version without rap" when describing which versions of this song appear on CD. These type of descriptions would not be unprecedented in Pat's book as songs like Paul McCartney's "No More Lonely Nights" have had multiple 45 versions available on CD. The same concept could also apply to the La Bouche "Be My Lover" and "Sweet Dreams" commercial singles which both feature Radio Edit 1 and Radio Edit 2 on their respective track listings and these versions all received airplay.
Continuing with the list now... Julian Lennon - Say You're Wrong ==> Single version - 3:46. Album version - 3:28. (available on vinyl 45) I don't normally go as far back as 1985 for singles on this particular message thread, but I did happen to catch this song. Ed helped me verify that the single version contains an extra chorus at the 3:00 mark, which is why it runs longer than the album version overall. Annie Lennox - Walking on Broken Glass ==> Album and cassette single version - 4:12. CD single version - 3:59. The information for this particular entry was modified on 08/29/05. Gerald Levert - Thinkin' Bout It ==> Album version - 6:29. (Whitburn - 4:22) My research suggests commercial single copies contain a "radio edit". Gerald Levert - Taking Everything ==> Album version - 5:22. (Whitburn - 4:05) I'm still trying to verify this, but it appears there were two different commercial single releases for this song. One contains an "Edit" and the other features a "Soap Opera Remix Edit". Lil' Kim featuring Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott and Angie Martinez - Not Tonight ==> Album version - 4:23. (Whitburn - 4:12) LL Cool J - Hey Lover ==> Single version - 3:59*. Album version - 4:43. (available on vinyl 45) Brian W. shows the cassette single stating "Radio Edit" with a run time of 4:00 in his "1995 - The 45 version... my old list" message thread. Denise Lopez - Sayin' Sorry (Don't Make It Right) ==> Album version - 4:40. (Whitburn - 4:30) (available on vinyl 45) Vinyl 45 copies indicates "remix" on the label. Also, the 10th edition incorrectly lists 1985 as the year "Sayin' Sorry" peaked in popularity when in fact the song was a hit in 1988. Jeff Lorber featuring Karyn White - Facts of Love ==> Single version - 4:00. Album version - 4:32. (available on vinyl 45) Thanks, Edtop40, for assisting me with this one! Louie Louie - Sittin' in the Lap of Luxury ==> Single version - 3:24. Album version - 4:03. (available on vinyl 45) The hit single version is the "Keith Cohen Mix". Monie Love - It's a Shame (My Sister) ==> Album version - 3:42. (Whitburn - 3:30) Luke featuring No Good but So Good - Raise the Roof ==> Album version - 3:39. (Whitburn - 3:30) The A-side or leadoff track on commercial and promo single copies is reported to be the "Party Time Version". Luscious Jackson - Naked Eye ==> Single version - 4:09*. Album version - 4:39. (Whitburn - 4:04) (available on vinyl 45) Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Edit". |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 11 May 2005 at 11:35pm
Mmm, after all these years, I'm not 100% sure if that was the cassette single version. I was committed to having the same version as on the cassette single, so if the cassette single SAID "Radio Edit" on the packaging, I would probably not have bought it to verify. But I would have checked. I OFTEN, but not always, would buy the cassette single to verify if it did not state which version was on it. But that is the two-track commercial domestic CD single version of "Hey Lover." (Is that a mouthful?) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 May 2005 at 2:14am
I don't understand... are you saying the vinyl 45 was the Album Version? I always THOUGHT the cassette single was the edit version, but I don't have it anymore, so now you've got me doubting myself. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 May 2005 at 2:32am
I don't have the 45, Pat, but I have the edit on the original UK CD single, and it is just a fade of the album version, running an actual 3:54. (Barely... some might say 3:53.) |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 12 May 2005 at 7:12pm
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Aerosmith - I Don't Want to Miss a Thing ==> LP version - 4:57. It's my understanding that the vinyl 45, cassette single, and CD single features a "pop mix" that runs approximately 4:58. This mix is reported to be slightly different than the LP version. Todd, I just got a commercial copy of the cd single for Aerosmith's "I Don't Want to Miss A Thing" which qualifies as the official 45 version (Columbia 78952), and compared it to the version found on the soundtrack to "Armageddon" which would be the LP version and I must say that I do not notice any difference in the mix between the two. In addition, there is no notation on the cd single that would indicate a "pop remix". If anyone can point out a mix difference to me I would appreciate it but otherwise it looks like the "pop mix" is just a promo only mix. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 May 2005 at 10:35pm
Brian: Joel Whitburn lists 4:00 as the run time, which is supposed to be based on the commercial cassette single release. Meanwhile, I've run across sources indicating the cassette single contains the "radio edit". Also, "Hey Lover" runs 3:59 on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio DJ subscription CD series just like the single version.
No, I'm not saying the vinyl 45 is the album version at all. I'm glad you bring this up though because this gives me the opportunity to clarify and review how to read entries like this. As you can see, I list the album version (which actually should read "album length" in this case) for Whitney Houston's "All the Man That I Need" at 4:09. This run time is based on how long the song runs on Houston's parent album/CD I'm Your Baby Tonight (Arista 8616). If I had a commercial single copy, I would also list the single run time. But since I don't have one, I instead note in parenthesis Joel Whitburn's listed commercial single run time of 3:53 as documented in his Top Pop Singles book. I do this to make Pat and other readers aware that the commercial single appears to have a significantly different run time or mix than the album version, but I'm currently unable to 100% confirm it. The "(available on vinyl 45)" comment is simply to let vinyl collectors know this song was pressed on 7-inch vinyl. That's all it means and has nothing to do with anything else. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, it appears the 3:53 single length of Whitney Houston's "All the Man That I Need" is available on her Greatest Hits 2-CD set (Arista 14626).
Thanks for passing that info along, Pat. I guess I was incorrect in my initial understanding that commercial single copies of Aerosmith's "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" contain the "pop mix". |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 11:59am
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I can finally put the issues regarding "All The Man That I Need" by Whitney Houston to rest. I just obtained the cassette single which times in at 3:53, and it is the same version that appears on the "Greatest Hits" cd. That version is identical to the version that is found on the original cd "I'm Your Baby Tonight" except it is faded :16 earlier than the version found on "I'm Your Baby Tonight". So the new entry in my database will list the 3:53 version as "45 length" ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 1:39pm
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Aha! Thanks, Pat. I didn't THINK I was crazy. (But you never know.)
But I'm glad I got the "45 length" meaning cleared up -- that it does NOT mean "unsuccessful attempt to duplicate the 45," it just means the 45 version was an early fade and has no edits within the song. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 10:58pm
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I have a couple of updates...
Debbie Gibson - Staying Together ==> Single version - 4:16. Album version - 4:04. My commercial cassette single copy states "LP version" on the cassette itself even though it is not the true LP version that appears on Gibsons's Out of the Blue (Atlantic 81780) CD. Indecent Obsession - Tell Me Something ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:30. I recently acquired a cassette single copy and confirmed the single run time. The following Madonna singles are all very meticulously documented in Brian W.'s fabulous "Madonna - The 45 Versions on CD" message thread found elsewhere on the board. The reason I list five of them here is because the 10th edition of T40MOCD does not acknowledge single/album version distinctions for these songs and I don't think anyone has brought this to Pat's attention. If you would like more info on them, please refer to Brian's Madonna message thread. Madonna - Oh Father ==> Single version - 4:25. Album version - 4:57. (available on vinyl 45) Madonna - Rescue Me ==> Single version - 4:52. Album version - 5:30. (available on vinyl 45) Madonna - Rain ==> Single version - 4:33. Album version - 5:24. (available on vinyl 45) Madonna - You Must Love Me ==> Single version - 3:05. Album version - 2:49. (available on vinyl 45) Madonna - Don't Cry for Me Argentina ==> Single version - 4:29. Album version - 5:31. I'm in agreement with Brian that the Miami Mix Edit should be considered the official single version even though it's placed as Track 3 on the commercial maxi-CD single (there was never a two track retail cassette or CD single issued for this song). This is also the version featured on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio DJ subscription CD. Even Joel Whitburn lists the run time at 4:27 in his Top Pop Singles 1955-1999 book which closely resembles the Miami Mix Edit run time. Richard Marx - Children of the Night ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:43. (available on vinyl 45) Promo DJ CD single copies (EMI DPRO#04522) run 4:06, not 4:00 as stated on the label, and 4:43. Master P featuring Silkk the Shocker, Sons of Funk and Mo B. Dick - Goodbye to My Homies ==> Album version - 4:12. (Whitburn - 4:04) My sources say commercial single copies feature a "Radio Version" which is supposedly different from the album version. Tim McGraw - Please Remember Me ==> Album version - 4:54. (Whitburn - 4:29) (available on vinyl 45) [M.C.] Hammer - Pumps and a Bump ==> Album version - 5:05. (Whitburn - 4:20) (available on vinyl 45) Brian McKnight - One Last Cry ==> Album version - 4:54. (Whitburn - 4:19) (available on vinyl 45) Meat Loaf - Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through ==> Single version - 5:11. Album version - 5:49. (available on vinyl 45) Ed comes through here too... I thank him for confirming the single run time. Glenn Medeiros featuring Ray Parker Jr. - All I'm Missing Is You ==> Single version - 3:44. Album version - 4:17. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 10:59pm
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 11:09pm
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Todd,
<Richard Marx - Children of the Night ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:43. (available on vinyl 45) Promo DJ CD single copies (EMI DPRO#04522) run 4:06, not 4:00 as stated on the label, and 4:43. > Can you specify where the album version is edited to make the single version? Or is it a fade? Does the single has the same mix as the album version? Thanks Todd! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 16 May 2005 at 7:43am
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EdisonLite:
You won't be able to exactly recreate the single version of "Children of the Night" from the album version because the single's intro opens with two drum hits not found on the album's intro. If you want to make a close attempt at creating the single version, you will need to snip off the first :11 of the album intro (though, again, it won't match the single's intro exactly) and then edit out between 3:59 and 4:24 right before the horns blow at each point. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 16 May 2005 at 11:33am
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Hi Todd,
Thanks for the info! EdisonLite |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 16 May 2005 at 4:10pm
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No problem, EdisonLite.
By the way... Pat, I recently spoke to an old radio friend of mine who was a program director at a R&B/rhythmic/dance-oriented Top 40 station back in the mid- to late '90s. I had the presence of mind to ask him if he remembered which version of Az Yet's "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" he programmed on his station's playlist back when the song was popular. He said he's pretty sure he played the version without Peter Cetera at first but later added the Peter Cetera mix when that song was peaking on the charts. If this one radio station was playing the Az Yet only version, then chances are others around the country were as well and may have influenced consumers to purchase the single accordingly. Therefore, I'm now of the opinion it would be better to describe CD appearances of Az Yet's "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" as either (45 version with Peter Cetera) or (LP version and 45 version without Peter Cetera), whichever is applicable (if at all). So far, it looks like the version with Peter Cetera has yet to be issued on a domestic full-length CD release. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 11:22pm
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Update...
Deborah Cox with R.L. - We Can't Be Friends ==> Single version - 4:19. Album version - 4:40. It took a while, but I finally got my CD single copy and have confirmed the run time. The next batch... Men at Large - So Alone ==> Single version - 3:57. Album version - 7:25. Miami Sound Machine - Falling in Love (Uh-Oh) ==> Album version - 3:57. (Whitburn - 3:07) (available on vinyl 45) I do know the single version is a remix. Michel'le - Something in My Heart ==> Single version - 3:58. Album version - 5:49. (available on vinyl 45) Mike + The Mechanics - Taken In ==> Album version - 4:16. (Whitburn - 3:55) (available on vinyl 45) Robert Miles - Children ==> Single version - 4:02. Album version - 7:05. (available on vinyl 45) All commercial single copies feature the "radio edit". Mint Condition - Breakin' My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes) ==> Single version - 4:45. Album version - 5:55. My commercial cassette single copy contains the "album edit". This version is found on The Collection 1991-1998 (Perspective 9039) CD and is listed in the 10th edition as "album edit". A "single version" or "45 version" comment would probably work better here because the album edit is what was made available to consumers on a retail single format. Edtop40 was gracious enough to verify his commercial cassette single copies of the next three Mint Condition songs: Mint Condition - U Send Me Swingin' ==> Single version - 4:11. Album version - 5:14. Ed says the cassingle contains the 7" radio edit. Although I'm unable to do a direct A/B comparison between a cassette and CD, I'm certain this 7" radio edit is the same one appearing on Mint Condition's The Collection 1991-1998 disc. Pat comments in the 10th edition that this is the "radio edit", which is true, but I think this would be better stated as "single version" (or "45 version", although a vinyl 45 was never released for this song). Mint Condition - What Kind of Man Would I Be ==> Single version - 4:05. Album version - 4:24. (available on vinyl 45) Ed tells me his cassette single contains the radio edit running 4:05. Again, even though I can't directly compare the cassette to CD, it certainly appears this radio edit is the one on The Collection 1991-1998 CD. The 10th edition shows the song on this disc with the comment "radio edit", but I think "45 version" or "single version" would once again better apply here. Mint Condition - You Don't Have to Hurt No More ==> Single version - 4:15. Album version - 5:21. (available on vinyl 45) Here's another case where Ed says his cassette single contains a radio edit, which appears to be the very same one on The Collection 1991-1998 CD. Ed and I both believe all the Top 40 songs on this particular CD are the 45/single versions. Mint Condition - If You Love Me ==> Album version - 6:25. (Whitburn - 4:13) CD single copies are reported to feature the "Radio Version". Monica - For You I Will ==> Single version - 4:09.* Album version - 4:54. (Whitburn - 4:09) Mark Morrison - Return of the Mack ==> Single version - 3:30. Album version - 7:19. The single version is the "C&J edit". If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the single version is on The Absolute Hits (Atlantic 83158) CD even though I don't have a copy of this disc. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 9:17pm
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Todd, regarding Mike & The Mechanics - Taken In, I believe that the 45 is just an early fade of the LP version so unless anyone can prove differently, should we call the 3:55 appearances on cd the "45 length"? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 9:27pm
| I don't have a copy of the "Taken In" 45, Pat, so I'll certainly take your word for it that it's an early fade and that CD appearances running 3:55 should be referred to as the "45 length". |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 26 May 2005 at 9:07pm
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Mo Thugs Family featuring Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Ghetto Cowboy ==> Single version - 4:27. Album version - 5:24.
Commecial single copies feature the "Video Edit". Eddie Murphy - Party All the Time ==> Album version - 4:13. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45) Nas - Street Dreams ==> Album version - 4:39. (Whitburn - 4:07) Natural Selection - Hearts Don't Think (They Feel)! ==> Single version - 3:58. Album version - 4:15. DJ and commercial copies of this single contain a "remix edit" running 3:58 and a "radio remix" clocking at 4:00. The radio remix is the version I recall hearing on my local Top 40 station. Aaron Neville - Everybody Plays the Fool ==> Single version - 4:03. Album version - 4:24. (available on vinyl 45) Edtop40 informs me the single version is a remix called the "7" Listen Baby Mix". Ivan Neville - Not Just Another Girl ==> Single version - 3:54. Album version - 4:05. (available on vinyl 45) New Edition - A Little Bit of Love (Is All It Takes) ==> Album version - 4:07. (Whitburn - 3:29) (available on vinyl 45) Although I don't have a commercial 45 for verification, I believe the single version is on the New Edition Hits (Geffen 000172802) CD released in late 2004. New Edition - I'm Still in Love with You ==> Album version - 4:38. (Whitburn - 3:42) It looks like the commercial single version, also known as the "Single Edit Acapella Intro Version", is on the New Edition Hits (Geffen 000172802) CD as well. New Kids on the Block - You Got It (The Right Stuff) ==> Single version - 3:32. Album version - 4:09. (available on vinyl 45) I'm pretty sure the DJ edit running 3:32 that Pat mentions in the 10th edition is the same as the single version. Next - I Still Love You ==> Album version - 4:13. (Whitburn - 3:58) CD single copies contain the "radio edit" with a stated run time of 3:58. Nicole featuring Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott & Mocha - Make It Hot ==> Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 4:04) My research indicates commercial single copies contain the "Radio Version". Nikki - Notice Me ==> Single version - 3:53. Album version - 5:07. Commercial single copies state "remix/edit". |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 27 May 2005 at 6:10am
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Todd you have a bad habit of using the term "45 version" for songs that are really "45 length". Such is the case with Party All The Time by Eddie Murphy. The actual running time is (4:07) not (3:58) as stated on the record label and it is simply an early fade of the LP which runs (4:13). ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 May 2005 at 8:26am
If you look at the way I've listed the "Party All the Time" entry again, Pat, you'll notice I don't have the 45 so I have absolutely no way of knowing if the single and album are differences in "version" or "length". In these cases I've just been listing "Album version" by default and including Whitburn's listed commercial single run time to show the significant time discrepencies between the two. If it's less of a nuisance, I'll just type "Album" instead of "Album Version" from now on. At the very least, I hope the information I've been voluntarily working very hard on my own time to provide has been helpful in uncovering and revealing previously unnoticed single and album differences. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 27 May 2005 at 10:10am
| Yes, Todd, your info has been very helpful to us chat members. I've understood, since your first email on the subject, that you don't have several of the singles so you are listing the times as they appear in Whitburn. I also understood you were using the term "version" whether it was an edit or a fade. Your suggestion of making future listings simply as "Album 4:13, Single 3:58", for instance, will certainly clear up any misunderstandings for people used to the terminology set up in Pat's book. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 27 May 2005 at 5:30pm
| I always find your posts helpful and informative, Todd. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 31 May 2005 at 4:01pm
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Thanks very much for the positive feedback, EdisonLite and Brian W. I do appreciate it.
There is an entry I should've included two posted messages ago: Natural Selection featuring Niki Haris - Do Anything ==> Album - 3:56. (Whitburn - 3:57) Cassette single copies state "single mix". I don't have the single so I don't know if this mix is actually different than the one on Natural Selection's self-titled CD. Ok, let's move right along now to the next 12: Nine Inch Nails - The Day the World Went Away ==> Album - 4:33. (Whitburn - 4:03) 98 Degrees - Because of You ==> Single version - 3:55*. Album version - 4:54. (Whitburn - 3:53) Commercial single copies are reported to feature the "radio edit". 95 South - Whoot, There It Is ==> Album - 3:03. (Whitburn - 7:03) (available on vinyl 45) Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit ==> Single - 4:57. Album - 5:00. (available on vinyl 45) I just picked up a used cassette single copy of this song. The cassette states "edit" with a printed run time of 4:30. This is incorrect however as the single actually runs 4:57 and is the same as its album counterpart only slightly faster. I have also seen promo CD copies that state "edit" with a 4:30 run time. These DJ copies probably really do have an edit though because I remember hearing a shortened edit of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" played on local Top 40 radio. The Notorious B.I.G. - One More Chance/Stay with Me ==> Album - 4:42. (Whitburn - 4:14) Commercial single copies are reported to feature the "radio edit". 'N Sync - (God Must Have Spent) a Little More Time on You ==> Single - 4:00*. Album - 4:39. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45) Nu Flavor - Heaven ==> Single - 4:07*. Album - 4:54. (Whitburn - 4:06) (available on vinyl 45) According to my research, CD single copies state "radio remix". Billy Ocean - License to Chill ==> Single length - 4:33. Album length - 4:52. (available on vinyl 45) Ol Skool featuring Keith Sweat & Xscape - Am I Dreaming ==> Single version - 4:08. Album version - 5:46. My commercial CD single copy leads off with the "radio edit". Benjamin Orr - Stay the Night ==> Album - 4:26. (Whitburn - 4:10) (available on vinyl 45) Ozzy Osbourne - Mama, I'm Coming Home ==> Album - 4:11. (Whitburn - 3:18) (available on vinyl 45) Donny Osmond - My Love Is a Fire ==> Album - 4:27. (Whitburn - 3:54) (available on vinyl 45?) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 12:02am
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You are correct, Todd. The promo copies of "Teen Spirit" by Nirvana contained an edit. It does actually run 4:30. The commercial CD single had the "Edit" version listed on the back, but I don't own it, so I don't know if it's a misprint like the cassette single.
Notorious BIG's hit "One More Chance/Stay With Me" is completely different on the album, and it is simply titled "One More Chance." Commercial copies of the CD single have two different edits, "Radio Edit 1" and "Radio Edit 2"; the former edit being the most commonly played version. Both radio edits are the remix version not found on the album, while the mix on the CD single labeled "Hip Hop Mix" is the same as the album version. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 June 2005 at 3:36pm
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Thanks for the information on "One More Chance/Stay with Me", Aaron. Do you happen to know the actual run times for the radio edits as they appear on the commercial CD single?
When "One More Chance..." was a hit in 1996, Billboard magazine considered the cassette single to be the standard configuration of all commercial single formats. Does anyone know how long the song runs on the cassingle? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 June 2005 at 7:05am
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Radio Edit #1 - 4:15
Radio Edit #2 - 4:38 |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 04 June 2005 at 5:58am
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Regarding Benjamin Orr - Stay The Night, the vinyl 45 runs 4:26 not (4:10) as reported in Whitburn's Pop Annual. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 04 June 2005 at 12:54pm
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[QUOTE=Todd Ireland] Lil' Kim featuring Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott and Angie Martinez - Not Tonight ==> Album version - 4:23. (Whitburn - 4:12)
I have just obtained the cassette single of this song and it runs 4:12 and is a censored version of the LP version that appears on the soundtrack to "Nothing To Lose". The cassette single or 45 version fades :12 sooner than the LP version. Now my question is with regards to the LP version which would be the soundtrack to "Nothing To Lose" which states "remix" on the jacket. This "remix" is a remix of what other version? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 04 June 2005 at 1:41pm
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Pat:
I don't have the album, but "Not Tonight" is also supposedly on Lil' Kim's Hard Core (Atlantic 92733) CD. Based on the information I've gathered, the four female performers- Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott, and Angie Martinez- do not appear on the version of "Not Tonight" on the Hard Core disc. It is reported this version instead features rapper Jermaine Dupri. Therefore, it looks like the four featured female performers were later added to the so-called remix on the Nothin' to Lose soundtrack. Hopefully, someone can verify the above information and get back to us. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 04 June 2005 at 2:57pm
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Yep there is a song on is on "Hard Core" titled "Not Tonight" but it is a totally different song both lyrically and musically. The "Hard Core" version samples George Benson's "Turn Your Love Around" while the so called "remix" samples "Ladies Night" by Kool & The Gang. The credit given to the composers is totally different and quite frankly I hear nothing in common between the two versions and would never draw the conclusion that one was a remix of the other. They appear to be two different songs with the same title by Lil' Kim. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:42pm
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The Outfield - Your Love ==> Single length - 3:22. Album length - 3:36.
Thanks to Edtop40 for confirming this. OutKast - Player's Ball ==> Album - 4:21. (Whitburn - 3:40) Kevin Paige - Anything I Want ==> Single version - 3:45. Album version - 4:45. Paperboy - Ditty ==> Single version - 4:00*. (Whitburn - 3:58) I was looking at a used copy of the cassette single in a local used record store recently. I remember the cardboard sleeve indicating that the cassingle contains the "clean radio version" or "censored radio version" or something to that effect. Partners in Kryme - Turtle Power! ==> Album - 4:17. (Whitburn - 3:47) Promo CD single copies are reported to contain a "single edit". I'm pretty certain this is the version featured on commercial copies. Peach Union - On My Own ==> Single version - 3:41. Album version - 4:54. Ed confirmed for me that his commercial CD single features the "single mix" as the leadoff track and runs 3:41. Both the CD and cassette single also contain the "R.H. Factor Radio Edit" found on the various artist CD Boom! (Beast 54112). Pebbles - Love Makes Things Happen ==> Single version - 4:31*. Album version - 5:08. The single version appears on the Pebbles Greatest Hits (Hip-O 542521) CD, which is not listed in the 10th edition. I don't have a commercial single copy so I can't confirm the actual single run time, but I do know Greatest Hits contains the single version. Ce Ce Peniston - Finally ==> Album - 4:03. (Whitburn - 4:20) Steve Perry - You Better Wait ==> Single version - 3:42. Album version - 4:50. The single version is the "radio edit". P.M. Dawn - Paper Doll ==> Single version - 3:53. Album version - 4:50. Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix" as the leadoff track. It is a much hotter and brighter mix than the one on the Of the Heart, of the Soul and of the Cross: The Utopian Experience (Gee Street 314514517 and 32510) CD. The background vocals are much more prominent in the radio mix/single version and the chorus contains a hi-hat cymbal not found on the album counterpart. Therefore, the single is not just an early fade of the album, but a different version as well. P.M. Dawn - I'd Die Without You ==> Album - 4:10. (Whitburn - 3:43) Commercial cassette single copies have the "Radio Edit". P.M. Dawn - Looking Through Patient Eyes ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:06. Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix". Like all other P.M. Dawn Top 40 hits, the radio mix/single version is mixed hotter and brighter than its album counterpart. The best way to distinguish the difference between the two versions of "Looking Through Patient Eyes" is the passage between the :09 - :15 mark. During this time frame, a stringed instrument (I can't quite tell if it's a viola or a cello) can be heard on the single version, but is absent from the album version. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:39pm
| Regarding Paperboy's "Ditty," I'm 99% sure that the "Radio" version was also the one used on the full-length album. I have the version called "Radio" on a radio compilation disc, and it's the same as the LP Version on both my cassette and vinyl LPs (explicit version). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 7:41pm
| But the "clean" or "censored" version of "Ditty" is on commercial single copies, right? Or are you saying there are no differences between the censored and explicit versions of this song? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 10:51pm
| As far as I know, there has never been an "explicit" version of the original mix of "Ditty." Even the explicit version of the album has the "radio" mix on it. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 11:11pm
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One interesting thing about Outkast's "Player's Ball" is that it was originally issued on a Christmas compilation, and it was titled "Player's Ball (On Christmas Day)." Outkast later included the song on their full-length debut album, and simply titled it "Player's Ball," changing some of the lyrics to make it less of a Christmas song.
I know there are at least two commercial CD singles available---one with the "Christmas" versions (LaFace 24061) and one without (LaFace 24066). The 3:40 time that Whitburn lists may actually be a radio edit of the Christmas version. I have the "Radio Version-Clean" of the non-Christmas version, and it clocks in at 4:12. |