elton john--candle in the wind 87

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   can anyone confirm that the song "candle in the wind" by elton john that is on the european cd single from 1987 is the exact version that's on the us commercial 45.....the 45 sounds like the version from the live from australia cd but with the applause edited out.......i've asked a few sellers of the european cd sgl and the liner notes say that the version on the european cd sgl is NOT with the melbourne symphony......anyone shed light on this....

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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: elton john--candle in the wind 87 Posted: 04 December 2004 at 12:30pm
	can anyone confirm that the song "candle in the wind" by elton john that is on the european cd single from 1987 is the exact version that's on the us commercial 45.....the 45 sounds like the version from the live from australia cd but with the applause edited out.......i've asked a few sellers of the european cd sgl and the liner notes say that the version on the european cd sgl is NOT with the melbourne symphony......anyone shed light on this....
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Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 December 2004 at 2:51pm
	Hmm, I see why your sellers are saying that -- there's an asterisk next to two of the tracks on the album, indicating "With the Mebourne Symphony Orchestra," but not next to "Candle in the Wind" or "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me." I don't know why that is. But your sellers are missing the lower right-hand corner that says, "All tracks taken from the album 'Elton John Live in Australia.' I own both the CD single and the live album, and I assure you they are the same version, but the CD single has the applause filtered out. It's Rocket EJSCD15. Tracks are: Candle in the Wind - 3:48 Sorry Seems to Be the Hardest Word - 3:50 Your Song - 4:04 Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me - 6:06 Here's a link to a picture of it: http://www.eltonography.com/singles/CD/html/UK/ROCKET_EJSCD1 5.html

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 December 2004 at 4:50pm
	brian...thanks for clearing that up.....i'm bidding on it and wanted to make sure it had the correct versions i needed..........thx again
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 December 2004 at 5:14pm
	hey brian......i just got the uk cd single and the song is the exact version i needed........thx for the input
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Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 December 2004 at 10:53pm
	Toldja, toldja, toldja, toldja! I wouldn't steer you wrong. To paraphrase Mammy from Gone With the Wind, "Don't you doubt Mr. Brian's word." ;)

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 104	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2007 at 5:20am
	The UK single version, which is the same live performance without most of the applause, is available on Now That's What I Call Music 14 (Virgin EMI PolyGram [UK] CD NOW 11, 1988). I did an A/B with the version from To Be Continued, to confirm that it is the same performance. This was recorded with a "crowd" mike or two, and the crowd track(s) were muted for the UK single. Does this qualify as a "remix"? This may be the only instance I can think of where crowd noise is removed for a particular version of the song; the '60s and '70s had plenty of songs where crowd noise is added, including Elton's own "Bennie and The Jets".

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 209	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 July 2007 at 7:58pm
	That's the same single version used in the US --- the crowd mics were muted. You're right; it's not common to hear ALL of the crowd mics muted on a live performance. There have, however, been several instances where some of the crowd mics were muted for a single mix. (For example, "Cherry Cherry - Live" has muted crowd mics at the very beginning.)

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2007 at 10:27am
	Hi Aaron, Not to get off-topic, but while I am confidant that "Candle In The Wind 87" is indeed a true 'live' recording, I am not so sure if some of the hits we call 'live' are really 'live' recordings. Your example of "Cherry Cherry - from 'Hot August Night'" is one where I'm not-so-sure. A close listen to the LP mix & the single mix with overdubbed lead guitar reveals at least certain instruments that were definitely studio-recorded (in particular that bass track). I'm not even sure if Procol Harum's "Conquistador" was a true 'live' recording. Certainly the 5th Dimension's "Never My Love" was a studio recording (I don't believe bassist Joe Osborn ever went on tour with the 5th Dimension, he was too busy in West Coast studios to hit the road much). This is purely conjecture on my part; sorry for the thread hijack. Andy

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 209	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2007 at 11:29pm
	Interesting observation, Andy. I'm sure you are correct that there are several "live" hits that weren't really live. Another example is John Denver's "Sweet Surrender," which may have been mentioned in another thread. Another obvious one is "Get Ready" (LP version) by Rare Earth, although I'm not sure they claim it to be "live." Regarding "Cherry Cherry," I have to be honest that I've only heard the vinyl 45 and the version that appears on one of his hits collections (labeled in the database as "45 version but with audience applause on the introduction..."). I didn't realize that the close-to-45-version on CD was also a different mix from the LP. I just assumed that it was an edit of the LP version, but that they couldn't re-create the 45 version exactly because of the applause.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 February 2008 at 7:41pm
	Just got in a promo 45 for this today. Having been over 20 years since I heard the 'muted' version, it sounds very odd without the crowd, having heard only that version for such a long time. Run time is 3:48, ends cold.