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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Ed was kind enough to send me a dub of his short version 45, to try to recreate from the LP version.
Well, it's not possible... the vocals fade out in in the LP version and not the 45 version. I tried to dub in earlier parts of the song into that spot, but it doesn't work. So someone describe the long 45 version. Is it just an early fade of the LP version? |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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Given that the database comments read "LP version faded :12 early" for copies running (3:31), I'd say the 45 is not likely an early fade.
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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I must say, there is perhaps no song with a more complex DJ and commercial single release history than R. Dean Taylor's "Indiana Wants Me". And the most irritating thing about it is that none of these single versions are available on CD!
Speaking of which, did the original LP release contain the song's sound effects in true stereo or electronically rechanneled stereo? |
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Here's everything I know about Indiana Wants Me, which is way too much.
There were two original single stock versions. Both mono. One with the siren at the beginning, one with the siren removed only on the intro. Different lengths. I don't know if there was a stereo promo 45. Motown was doing some of those around that time. It would be interesting to know if there was one. The album version sounds like it's in electronic stereo except for the sound effects which did go from channel to channel. Then to confuse matters further, sometime in the 1980's on the Motown Yesteryear 45 series issued a true stereo version with the vocal in the right channel. Very oddly mixed and no siren on the intro. But not all the Motown Yesteryear 45s have that stereo mix, you have to keep buying them until you find one and the time is wrong, it lists the album length. In the CD era, somebody decided that Electronic Stereo with stereo sound effects was a bad thing to release so many of the mono issues now on CD are actually the LP version converted to mono, but only the left channel, so the siren fades in and out wrong and the bullets firing are half missing. Anyone have anything else? |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Bill, here's what I have: 2 different promo 45s: The first, on red vinyl, has a listed time of (3:35) on both sides, but both sides contain the same mono mix, with an actual running time of (3:01). (Deadwax D2-D2-D2-781M05, with 2 LENNY on it is well. This does NOT match up with the info on its label, which lists the other promo's info in error.) The second has a listed time of (2:19) on one side, and a listed time of (3:35) on the other. However, both sides are both EXACTLY the same, actual running time (3:35) mono mix. (Deadwax D2-P2-T2-717M11 with Z4KM-2133-1 stamped on both sides). I just listened to the first; then the second. Besides having the sirens chopped off the intro, the pitch on the (3:01) version is MUCH faster. Sounded like someone had placed a BRICK on my turntable when I played the (3:35) version - it was just SO much slower, by comparison.
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Oh yeah! I forgot about the pitch difference! You're right! The stock 45 without the siren on the intro also runs faster. I believe the siren was removed for radio station play as they didn't want to scare people who were listening in car.
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Gary Mack ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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May I muddy the water some more?
I have an original Rare Earth stock 45 with a label time of 2:53 that actually runs 3:01. Deadwax reads D2-D2-D2-781M05 followed by 8 Lenny. Guess what? No sirens, no gunshots, no efx whatsoever other than the cop on the bullhorn repeating three times, This is the police, you are surrounded, give yourself up over the end fade. I also have the promo stereo LP and the song is mono with siren panned left to right at both the beginning and the end. Label run time says 3:15. Seems to me that that was the true original version, but when the single started getting airplay, radio stations realized - ours (KRUX/Phoenix) was one of them - there was a serious problem. An FCC rule said stations could not broadcast a siren sound as an attention-getter. Uh-oh. Motown, not sure what to do, had producer Taylor remove the siren from the beginning, but he left it in at the end where it was thought to be obvious it was part of the record. But that only obscured the meaning of why he was wanted! The siren set the stage that the singer was on the run from the law. Meanwhile, Motown was losing momentum until a solution could be worked out. Poor Taylor! Stick to his art, or go along with Motown, which held the publishing rights? Eventually, all efx were removed and I do remember Motown notifying stations that the real official version was that one. A little of the preceding was, admittedly, my speculation but most of it is in my memory from 1970. GM |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Another quality, "Oh, Wow!" post, Mr. Mack. Now that you refreshed my memory, you are exactly correct about that FCC rule involving sirens - they didn't want drivers pulling over to the side of the road because of sfx on a song played on the radio. About your "8 Lenny" stock 45: 1) Did you guys at KRUX ever play that "no sfx" version on-air? 2) Did Motown/Rare Earth provide KRUX with that stock copy, or did you just happen upon it? A little weird that a "completely stripped, FCC sqeuaky clean for radio" no-sfx version, devoid of sirens/gunshots, may NOT have been issued as a promo? More searching to do - thanks again for the knowledge, Gary.
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Gary Mack ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Actually, the FCC rule was written mostly to prevent advertisers from using sirens to attract attention, but it's worded in a way that could easily be applied to music or any non-news broadcast. Their concern was that listeners would likely be confused and possibly distracted by such tactics. As best I remember, KRUX played the promo mix that had the siren/shots only at the end. As soon as the clean version arrived, that's what we stayed with. I doubt very much that any promo issue had the clean mix, however, since by the time the problem was resolved, Motown had no need for promo copies - stock 45s with or without a sticker were sufficient. GM |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Interestingly, the deadwax info on my shorter stock copy of the 45 matches up with what everyone else is saying, however it has "6 LENNY".
I've been reading a post on this song at the Both Sides Now forum and I find it interesting that the reissue 45, for a few copies, used the original mono 45 stamper for the long version (or at least the mono 45 version with the exact same deadwax info), but then at some point (i don't know if it was before or after) created a stereo mix using the short edit as a reference, and put that out on the reissue 45, with the label still listing the long version info but the deadwax only keeping the 711 in the number and changing the rest up a bit. I'd be curious to know what the deadwax info on the mono and stereo reissue 45s that some of you have says. All I have is the two stock 45s, long and short versions. |
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