the animals house of the rising sun

my commercial 45 for the animals song 'the house of the
rising sun' issued as mgm 13264 lists a run time on the
label as 2:58 but actually runs 3:01...the run out groove
info is 'K 13264 64-xy645'....i post this because the db
states that the run time of the 45 is 2:58....can anyone
else confirm their commercial 45's run time?

Interesting. My own dub of our stock copy times at
exactly (2:59.5). I don't have the 45 handy, but I'll get
the deadwax# at work tomorrow.

Jim, I thought that :03 sec policy was in regard to
database entries, not the chat board. I don't recall
clearly tho, it's been years!

I feel ya about this 45's abrupt fade, but for me that's
great as compared to the first 2 edits. Those hurt my
ears much worse.
Since this was such a monster hit, I'd assume there were
several pressings of this during its chart run and I'll
bet there are small differences in pitch causing these
slight time differences.

MM

MMathews wrote: Interesting. My own dub of our stock copy times at exactly (2:59.5). I don't have the 45 handy, but I'll get the deadwax# at work tomorrow. Jim, I thought that :03 sec policy was in regard to database entries, not the chat board. I don't recall clearly tho, it's been years! I feel ya about this 45's abrupt fade, but for me that's great as compared to the first 2 edits. Those hurt my ears much worse. Since this was such a monster hit, I'd assume there were several pressings of this during its chart run and I'll bet there are small differences in pitch causing these slight time differences. MM

So wait for just a sec. At this moment, I'm listening to that old "24 Electryfying Hits" compilation LP from 1970, which has an abrupt sounding edit of this song on it. Is that edit for real?

The intro, keyboard solo and the ending all have edits. And there appears to be some heavy wow and flutter on the tape master.


***** Edit ****

I just went and listened to a YouTube vid of the 45-rpm disc. Ouch - that's awful, but still a different edit than I just listened to on the turntable.

House of the Rising Sun (Edited)

Edited by Jody Thornton

Having worked in the industry, playing time of analog recordings can vary widely, especially when we're talking about the drive systems that were used in analog tape machines of the day with A/C synchronous motors and variations in line frequency. Add to the mix that "House of the Rising Sun" was recorded in the UK on 50 Hz tape machines. The UK tapes wouldn't play at exactly the same speed on US decks due to our use of 60 Hz synchronous motors. There would always be tiny variations, even between two decks of the same make and model in the same country! Given that, and that synchronous A/C motors were also what was common until Japanese turntables, both belt and direct drive switched to using DC servo controlled motors and eventually quartz locked PLL drive systems in the best turntables, any record would play for one length on one turntable and be off by a few seconds on another. Today, playing times are generally calculated by the time of a song's file used to make a CD master, including the silence before and after the song. On anything I've ever mastered, take the length of the entire track, subtract :03 and you have the exact playing time of the recording. A :03 difference between label time and actual playing time is inconsequential to most of us, however if you REALLY want to discuss label errors, I recommend starting with the Philles single of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin', which most certainly does NOT play for 3:15!

Edited by Tom Daly

I think those were labeled in the database at one point, so I’m not sure
why Pat removed them. To clarify, though, the original vinyl LP and 45
are the same, and both have the edited version. The longer version is
technically originally from the Greatest Hits LP.