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I had the opportunity to hear the Police "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" 45 today (the commercial version), and this is a completely different mix than the LP version. Although Top 40 Music On CD indicates that on most CDs the song is in its LP length this should actually read LP version. The vocals are mixed differently on the 45 and there's some different reverb and delay effects used. Does anyone know if this version was ever issued on CD?
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aaron........i recently reviewed this song too.........the song "every little thing she does is magic" by the police that is on the 45 issued in 1981 on a&m 2371 is the same version that is on the cd box set "message in a box:the complete recordings" BUT the 45 is faded out to run 3:58 and NOT 4:19 that the box set has......so just by fading the song out to run 3:58 you will have the 45 version...........if you need the time that the fade starts, please let me know.........
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I have the box set, and I just listened to the song on there. It sounds exactly like the LP version to me--I also listened to "Every Breath You Take The Classics" for a comparison. The 45 sounded very different to me--not just subtle differences in the mix. Are there two different releases of the box set? Mine is a BMG issue - 31454 0150 2 is the number on the bottom of the disc.
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<if you need the time that the fade starts, please let me know......... >
I would like to know the start time of the fade. Thanks.
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Aaron K wrote:
<I have the box set, and I just listened to the song on there. It sounds exactly like the LP version to me--I also listened to "Every Breath You Take The Classics" for a comparison. The 45 sounded very different to me--not just subtle differences in the mix. Are there two different releases of the box set? Mine is a BMG issue - 31454 0150 2 is the number on the bottom of the disc. >
Is it possible that the discrepancy is that there are 2 different versions of the 45? Maybe that's why Pat's 45 sounds like the CD but Aaron's 45 doesn't.
I'll have to seek out the 45 because I love this song, and the versions I have on CD are not very clear sounding.
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That's definitely a possibility, EdisonLite. I'll have to listen to my friend's 45 again, but I'm sure it sounded quite different than what I'm used to hearing. By the way, the fade on the 45 version starts around 3:47 and goes to about 4:00. The time on the label says (3:58).
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I have a dub of the 45, and there definitely is a difference in the mix. There's reverb and delay on the vocals of the 45 mix that aren't present on the LP version. Also, the vocals have been brought up for the 45 mix, whereas they are somewhat buried on the LP version (including the version on the box set). The vocal mix is very noticable on the second verse. The delay is quite obvious on the second and third choruses and the bridge.
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I noticed that the database still indicates LP length for this song, when in fact there are mix differences between the LP & 45. The comments should read LP version.
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I have listened to every cd in the database and none of them feature the 45 version. Ed says he hears the 45 version on the "Message In A Box" box set but I don't agree. Any other contributors wish to comment on the version found on the box set?
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With apologies to Ed, I have to side with Pat's analysis here. The first verse vocal to me sounds WAY low on the box set, compared to the 45. (Didn't hear a vocal "delay", though.) To me, the background synth sounds are MUCH more prominent throughout on the box set - lower on the 45 mix. Also, I think the piano might stand out a bit more on the 45 mix. I think it's possible all the instruments/vocals are in the same places on both sources, but to me their levels have been clearly adjusted, giving the 45 mix a different feel - just seems 3-5% less "cluttered" on the 45 - I can hear more detail, without that loud box set v synth drowning other sounds out.
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ok, guys.......i just listened to my 45 versus the box set cd version and they sound the same to me.....my 45 has a little additional static and cloudiness to the song, from the vinyl, but that shouldn't be mistaken for reverb or additional instrumentation...........I STAND BY MY ANALYSIS.....the 45 and the cd box set versions are identical except for the 45 fading out to 3:58 while the cd box set version runs 4:19........my 45 states "02371 A P3" in the run-out groove.........aaron....i will send a copy of my 45 to you for your review.......edtop40
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Due to both his passion, and the continuing high level of Ed's confidence in his analysis, I pulled out my stock 45 on this (same deadwax as Ed's, except P2 at the end). My promos are handier, and thought only one 45 version existed for this song. When Pat put out the APB, I listened to my promo. To me, my stock 45 sounds much more like that CD box set version than my promo does, which could explain the differing analyses. (Promo deadwax A&M AM 02371-A S2). Both list times as (3:58); stock actually (4:02); promo actually (4:00). Hell, they're all REAL close - perhaps our combatants should just shake hands on this one, and call it a draw...
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Has anyone considered the possibility that perhaps there might be two different pressings of the Message in a Box: The Complete Recordings box set where the mixes of "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" differ? This wouldn't be unprecedented given that this message board has documented two different pressings of the Rick Nelson Legacy box set.
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Ed, I sent you the 45 version on a CD-R (dubbed from a mint copy of the record). Listen to the version I sent you vs. the CD version. I agree that there doesn't appear to be any difference in instrumentation; however, the vocals are mixed much louder on the 45. Also, the delay I'm speaking of sounds like they took two of the same vocal track and layered them, one being delayed by only a split second (giving it a sort of "echo" type effect).
By the way, I've heard a copy of your 45, Ed. It sounds the same as the one I have, although yours is a bit more worn, and it's much harder to hear the difference.
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So what was the final analysis on this?! LOL.
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One thing to consider in all of this is the tapes used for the mastering, and the mastering job itself. Things like that will have a major impact on how something sounds. A narrower soundstage will cause the vocals and other elements to sound louder. I can tell you that the vocals sound very recessed on the SACD version of "Ghost In The Machine". But, I happen to like it that way. :)
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After listening to Aaron's 45 mix, I concur that the 45 is different than the LP. The vocals on the 45 are more prevalent vs. the Message In A Box version I have. The vocals on the box set are definitely more drowned out by the music.
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A while back, I received a mint 45 dub from Aaron of "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" and the vocals do sound more prominent in the mix than on any CD I've heard. I can remember the very first time I heard the song on CD many years ago and I was immediately struck by how buried the vocals sounded. The mix overall just didn't sound right to me!
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The actual commercial 45 running time is (4:02), the listed time is "3:58" on the record label. (A&M 2371-S)
Pat:
Although this song has the printed vs. actual run time differences of :03 or more, the information has not be indicated on the data base. My report is the same as the jimct's info.
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I was just listening to XM's rebroadcast of "American Top 40" from 10/24/81. Casey played this song and I could immediately tell that it wasn't the version that I've been used to hearing. Then I recalled this old thread. I definately understand what aaronk means about the "delay on the vocals." That was the first thing that jumped out at me. Has this mix been found on a CD?
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