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The Naked Eyes song "Promises, Promises" runs about 10 seconds longer on the Living In Oblivion compilation. Anyone know if this is a longer fade, remix, etc.?
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the commercial 45 runs 3:43 and is identical to the version from the cd
EMI 27226 Very Best Of
as far as the cd
EMI 32694 Living In Oblivion - The 80's Greatest Hits Volume Five
it runs much slower and fades out 0:07 earlier and that is the reason for the time differential...of 0:15
the 45 is noticably faster than that cd version....
also...the 45's face states the run time as 3:50 but actually runs 3:43....
Edited by edtop40 on 26 January 2007 at 10:42pm
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Thanks, Ed!
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I should mention that the LP version time is incorrect also as it really runs (4:26) not (4:36) as stated on the record label.
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According to my copy of the Naked Eyes Very Best of CD (EMI 27226), the 4:26 version of "Promises, Promises" appears on Track 20. The CD label and paper tray insert states this is the "U.K. version". So does this mean the "U.K. version" is identical to the U.S. LP version?
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I believe the UK LP version is not the same as the US LP
version.
In Dec. 2012 the UK label Cherry Red released an expanded
version of the Burning Bridges LP (that was the name of
the
duo’s debut album in England). The CD has a total of 18
tracks (including six bonus cuts). This reissue uses the
UK LP version of "Promises, Promises" (track 12 on the
disc) plus three more versions of the song including the
US
7" remix (which was the hit version) at the correct speed
and length.
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 14 January 2013 at 12:33pm
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"Promises Promises" on the UK LP version "Burning Bridges" runs 4:26.
The US pressing "Naked Eyes" self titled vinyl LP runs 3:42, has the listed time "3:45" on the LP record label. (EMI America ST-17089)
The US vinyl LP version is the same as the commercial 45 version. (EMI America B-8170)
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This is very strange Abagon as there must be two different pressings of the "Naked Eyes" LP. I have a promo copy with matrix number ST 2-17089 P1 and as stated above Promises Promises runs (4:26) with a printed time of (4:36). Anyone else have a copy of this vinyl LP that can chime in here?
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The matrix number of my commercial vinyl LP is "ST 2-17089 P5" on the Side 2.
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Looks like the later US LP release replaced both "Promises,
Promises" (with the shorter 7" remix) and "Always Something
There To Remind Me" (with the "drums" intro).
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Santi if I have the first pressing of the "Naked Eyes" vinyl LP, then my copy features the drum intro to "Always Something There To Remind Me".
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I thought the other thread on "Always Something..."
specified that early copies of the US LPs had the "no
drums" intro on that track (as did the UK LP), but then it
was eventually replaced with the commonly found "drums"
intro version. So it must have been the opposite then.
I'm all confused now. I'm glad I have both versions. I'll
sort it all out later. Thanks Pat.
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My wife's copy of the LP she bought as soon as the song
came out, so i'm pretty sure it was a first pressing, as
was my 45 of "Always..." - i too bought it upon release,
before the song peaked.
I've run across many many more LP copies with the common
"drums intro" so i i'm fairly sure a lot more of those
were pressed.
I never made note of which version of "Promises, Promises"
was on her LP, and sadly it is long gone 15 years ago.
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Incremental progress here: I found (but didn't buy) a copy of the LP with a printed time of 4:36 for "Promises Promises". The store's listening station was broken, so I couldn't tell which version was really on the record.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 27 January 2013 at 8:14pm
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More incremental progress for "Promises Promises".
I found four different tempos for the song, three of which pretty much have to be wrong.
The first CD appearance for "Promises Promises" was on the 1991 Best Of disc, where it ran 113.4 BPM. The same analog transfer was used for Priority's Rock Of The '80s Vol. 6 (1993, added a little extra compression as well).
The next CD appearance was on Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 10 (1994), where it ran 114.1 BPM. The same analog transfer was used for Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 11 1983-1984 (1995; differently EQ'd digital clone), Simitar's Number Ones Eighties Rock (1998), and on Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 8 Early '80s (2000; digitally exactly 2 dB quieter than Sounds Of The Eighties).
Next, it appeared on EMI's Living In Oblivion Vol. 5 (1995), running at 111.7 BPM. This is actually the tempo of the 12 inch single, which is denoted as the Tony Mansfield 12" Mix on the Everything And More CD from 2002.
The version that I think is actually closest to what was released is on Promises Promises The Very Best Of (1994), where it runs 115.7 BPM. There's a version on The A List Disc 17 (1994) taken from vinyl, which runs 115.5 BPM.
To further complicate matters, it appears that since Jellybean was credited with editing the intro to "Always Something There To Remind Me", he was also given a shot at doing a 7" mix and a 12" mix for "Promises Promises" for release in the US. EMI must not have liked them, because they didn't release them at the time, and instead released the Tony Mansfield mixes. Both of the Jellybean mixes run at 113.9 BPM, and both were included on Everything And More (2002).
The longer UK version, which seems to have been on early pressings of the US LP, runs 112.6 BPM on Promises Promises The Very Best Of (1994).
Got all that? I'm unsure how all of this actually happened, especially on the Living In Oblivion and Just Can't Get Enough series, which I highly regard.
If anyone has a dub of the 45 or the LP version, done on a Technics 1200 or other turntable that has superb pitch control, I'll be happy to figure out a tempo from it. That takes me all of 10 seconds.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 27 January 2013 at 9:21pm
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Finally! I finally found a local copy of the first
pressing of the vinyl Naked Eyes LP.
It includes:
(1) The bells-only intro to "Always Something There To
Remind Me!
(2) The UK version of "Promises Promises"!
So a scant 30 years after "Always..." was a hit, I can
now verify that the bells-only intro can be considered an
original "non-hit" mix, at least from EMI's point of
view.
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How about passing aloong the matrix number of this vinyl LP which you think is the first pressing?
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crap...i'm sending you an mp3 of the vinyl 45 now...emi
8170....edtop40
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Ed's 45 dub of "Promises Promises" also runs 115.5
BPM, just like the vinyl dub on The A List.
Thanks, Ed!
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I found out the full UK version (4:26) has a slightly
different second verse in comparison to the US 7"
single mix (3:45). It's after the first chorus.
The second verse of the UK version (4:26) says:
"Second time around, and I'm retreating
I'm losing my ground
This time around
There's no belief
And what you wanted you've found
You are saying you and me
You're not your style, your cup of tea".
The second verse of the US 7" single mix (3:45) says:
"Second time around, I'm still believing
The words that you said
You said you'd always be here
'In love forever' still repeats in my head
You can't finish what you start
If this is love it breaks my heart".
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