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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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45 is a dedicated mono mix, nowhere on CD. 4:00 and a slightly different take. CD of 12 Greatest Hits originally was different from the LP of same which substituted studio recordings for the LP issue's live concert performances of some tracks (Direct Disk Labs first issued that tracklisting of the album as an Audiophile LP)
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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my commercial 45 lists the run time on the label as 4:27
and does indeed run that length and and NOT 4:30 as listed in the db......the run out groove info is 'delta, 78392-X' |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ed, since I am the one that provided the actual (4:30) timing earlier in this
thread, I just re-pulled my stock 45. Turns out I own two copies. One is on vinyl (which about 98% of all my UNI 45s were), and my other copy is on styrene. Both are confirmed as UNI 55175. I've always considered my vinyl 45 as my "primary" copy, however. After re-checking it, my original (4:27 listed; 4:30 actual) timing details for it are correct. Deadwax is simply "356 T15". My styrene stock copy has deadwax of "356 T11", followed by "delta 78392, scratchout, X". This copy does have both a listed and actual time of (4:27), matching Ed's, and is clearly sped up, compared to my vinyl stock copy. In cases like this, to "break the time tie", I then go to my promo copy. Luckily, I do own one for "Holly Holy". However, my promo 45 copy is also styrene - again, very unusual for UNI 45s in my collection. Both sides of it do have both a listed and actual time of (4:27), however, and are also sped up. Deadwaxes are different for each side. One promo side is "356- T17" followed by "delta 78392-X", while the other promo side is "356- T12" followed by "delta 78392-X. My four total 45 pressings each came from a different stamper. As always, Pat, it is up to you how you choose to reflect this info in your db. However, I must comment that this is one of the very few times where my ears much prefer the slower, actual (4:30) 45 length. That said, most overall pressings do appear to run (4:27). Nice catch, Ed! |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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As mentioned by Kent earlier, the 45 is a dedicated mono
mix and cannot be created from the LP version. As Jim reported, some 45's ran (4:27) and some (4:30) and only difference was the speed. Aside form the Edit, there is an overdub in the mono that is missing from the LP. Then there is the remix on the first edition of the "12 Greatest Hits" CD. This remix is an alternate vocal take starting at (1:36) and lasting all the way to (3:43), when the correct vocal track is potted up just before the last chorus. Ironically, the remix DOES contain the edit near the end that the 45 mix does. The stereo LP version is closest to the hit but note, the LP version starts to fade before the 2nd point of the edit, so to make the edit properly you'll need to increase the levels there about 2.5db. RE: The MONO mix...there are various differences throughout but most notably the "tapping" rhythm effect is louder on the 45. In the first chorus, a kick drum appears that is absent from the LP version. Then at the start of the final chorus, the kick drum comes back louder, in fact it's the loudest thing in the mix at that point - you can even see the higher peaks in the waveform. Funny, it's not a clear drum, has sort of a "thud" sound but this drum makes the choruses punchier. I especially noticed that when playing it in the car. MM Edited by MMathews |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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MM,
On my copy of "12 Greatest Hits", the edit is not present - the alternate version matches the LP (in terms of length). I bought it in 1987, pressed in Japan. |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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OH ... thanks for pointing that out David. My mistake was
I was comparing a copy of the "12 Greatest Hits" remix that was sent to me rather than ripping my own CD. The copy I got was edited to match the ending of the single. No matter though since that remix version has little in common with the hit version (avoid!) :-) MM |
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