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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KentT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2011 at 7:10pm
45 is a dedicated mono mix, nowhere on CD. 4:00 and a slightly different take. CD of 12 Greatest Hits originally was different from the LP of same which substituted studio recordings for the LP issue's live concert performances of some tracks (Direct Disk Labs first issued that tracklisting of the album as an Audiophile LP)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edtop40 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2014 at 8:57am
my commercial 45 lists the run time on the label as 4:27
and does indeed run that length and and NOT 4:30 as listed
in the db......the run out groove info is 'delta, 78392-X'
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2014 at 11:58am
Ed, since I am the one that provided the actual (4:30) timing earlier in this
thread, I just re-pulled my stock 45. Turns out I own two copies. One is
on vinyl (which about 98% of all my UNI 45s were), and my other copy is
on styrene. Both are confirmed as UNI 55175. I've always considered my
vinyl 45 as my "primary" copy, however. After re-checking it, my original
(4:27 listed; 4:30 actual) timing details for it are correct. Deadwax is
simply "356 T15". My styrene stock copy has deadwax of "356 T11",
followed by "delta 78392, scratchout, X". This copy does have both a
listed and actual time of (4:27), matching Ed's, and is clearly sped up,
compared to my vinyl stock copy.

In cases like this, to "break the time tie", I then go to my promo copy.
Luckily, I do own one for "Holly Holy". However, my promo 45 copy is also
styrene - again, very unusual for UNI 45s in my collection. Both sides of it
do have both a listed and actual time of (4:27), however, and are also
sped up. Deadwaxes are different for each side. One promo side is "356-
T17" followed by "delta 78392-X", while the other promo side is "356-
T12" followed by "delta 78392-X. My four total 45 pressings each came
from a different stamper.

As always, Pat, it is up to you how you choose to reflect this info in your
db. However, I must comment that this is one of the very few times where
my ears much prefer the slower, actual (4:30) 45 length. That said, most
overall pressings do appear to run (4:27).

Nice catch, Ed!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2016 at 7:26pm
As mentioned by Kent earlier, the 45 is a dedicated mono
mix and cannot be created from the LP version. As Jim
reported, some 45's ran (4:27) and some (4:30) and only
difference was the speed.

Aside form the Edit, there is an overdub in the mono that
is missing from the LP.

Then there is the remix on the first edition of the "12
Greatest Hits" CD. This remix is an alternate vocal take
starting at (1:36) and lasting all the way to (3:43),
when the correct vocal track is potted up just before the
last chorus. Ironically, the remix DOES contain the edit
near the end that the 45 mix does.

The stereo LP version is closest to the hit but note, the
LP version starts to fade before the 2nd point of the
edit, so to make the edit properly you'll need to
increase the levels there about 2.5db.

RE: The MONO mix...there are various differences
throughout but most notably the "tapping" rhythm effect
is louder on the 45. In the first chorus, a kick drum
appears that is absent from the LP version. Then at the
start of the final chorus, the kick drum comes back
louder, in fact it's the loudest thing in the mix at that
point - you can even see the higher peaks in the
waveform. Funny, it's not a clear drum, has sort of a
"thud" sound but this drum makes the choruses punchier. I
especially noticed that when playing it in the car.

MM

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davidclark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2016 at 8:54pm
MM,

On my copy of "12 Greatest Hits", the edit is not present - the alternate version
matches the LP (in terms of length). I bought it in 1987, pressed in Japan.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2016 at 2:05pm
OH ... thanks for pointing that out David. My mistake was
I was comparing a copy of the "12 Greatest Hits" remix
that was sent to me rather than ripping my own CD. The
copy I got was edited to match the ending of the single.
No matter though since that remix version has little in
common with the hit version (avoid!) :-)

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