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I guess people really like Post Malone |
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JL328 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 May 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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13 Top 40 hits this week. 11 debuts.
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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That's insane.
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Underground Dub ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Many acts barely managed 13 Top 40 hits over an entire career...
The definition of a "Top 40 Hit Single" has deviated so far from the original meaning that it's impossible to compare modern chart accomplishments to those of the past. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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Mediabase only lists one Post Malone single getting spins
right now... "Psycho." |
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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This is the new norm when average hip-hop artists release an album and almost all the songs chart due to streaming. J. Cole almost did it last week and there have been many others during the past 3-4 months. With the exception of Drake, none of these artists would really be considered superstars. I wish Billboard would run some columns describing the artists who had the greatest number of chart “hits” that fell off the chart in a week. Check out what happens to these Top 40 songs next week. |
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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The modern charts have little resemblance to pre 1992 charts which make chart achievement comparisons between these two eras totally inappropriate, yet Billboard keeps doing it in their Chart Beat column. One could argue that charts from 2018 and those from 2010 are totally different animals. Edited by Chartman |
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JL328 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 May 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I realize that maybe I don't fully understand what counts as a stream.
When you see reports that Post Malone's album was streamed 236 million times in the US alone in its first week, the math starts to fall apart really quickly. Given that national population is a fixed number, and we can be pretty sure that small children and the elderly weren't desperately counting down for the album drop, I find these numbers a little unreachable and would love some kind of explanation. What does the chart even measure nowadays? I always thought it was meant to rank songs by the most number of people in the US impacted by a song in a particular week. So, if 100 million different people legitimately sought out and listened to a song by Post Malone (whether they liked it or hated it) then I think that's legitimate and I wouldn't have a problem with it. But that's clearly not what's happening. There aren't 236 million different Americans doing anything in common, let alone jamming to Cardi B or J Cole, artists that a lot of people don't even know. So is this just a small group of people streaming each new album on repeat hundreds of times? Just setting their account on repeat and walking away? If so, you don't have 100 million people impacted by a song, you have maybe 100,000 people impacted by it 1,000 times each (if they're even actually listening). I don't understand why billboard wants this. Although I guess they'd argue the hot 100 still measures the popularity of songs in a given week (albeit with a flawed formula) it no longer serves at all to measure a particular song's popularity progression and the ability to use the chart as a source of historical comparison is lost forever. That just doesn't seem like a good thing to me. If Billboard wants a true measure-- and I understand that it obviously doesn't-- it should limit the impact that each individual streaming account has on the charts. For instance, if the same account streams an album 1000 times in a week, should the last 995 times even be counted? I'll give you 5, because maybe somebody is playing it for others, but after that you can assume the streams are not impacting a new listener. Whereas sales are an easy way to track different buyers and radio play goes by an audience impressions formula based on the station's range and the surrounding population, streams aren't limited to ensure you're counting distinct listeners instead of the same people over and over and over again. Maybe I'm wrong and there really are 236 million people in the US alone that are really into post malone. I understand that I'm no longer squarely within the age demographic most targeted by music labels (but I'm not that far removed from it), but I don't know a single person who is talking about the post malone album. By the way, if you think this cardi b and post malone stuff is bad, keep in mind that Drake's new album comes out next month. If he were smart, he'd include a bunch of old style interludes to get the album up to 40 tracks so he can get the whole chart... then maybe Billboard would fix it (actually they'd probably just celebrate it). |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Joel and I have been having this discussion a lot recently. Just what kind of "hits" are these really? Perhaps it's time for Billboard to re-evaluate their chart formulas. Not only is Drake coming up, but Kanye West also has a new album being released soon. At least the Glee Cast is no longer recording!
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Even Billboard recognizes that streaming is an issue
as they are once again changing the formulas! https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8006673/bi llboard-charts-adjust-streaming-weighting-2018 Others have issues with the Hot 100: How streaming undermines the Hot 100: https://www.forbes.com/sites/garysuarez/2016/12/20/str eaming-billboard-hot-100/#7416fa66aa7b https://popgoesthecharts.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/bill board-please-stop-changing-your-chart-methodology- every-week-love-adam/ https://noisey.vice.com/en_au/article/gyd537/the- charts-made-no-goddamn-sense-in-2017 Here's how Post Malone games the system a few years ago: https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/billboa rd-hot-100-chart-youtube-streaming I could go on, but you get the idea. Edited by Chartman |
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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The C&W charts problem (i.e. Hot Country Chart vs.
Country Airplay) revisited. Seems this is also an issue with the R&B chart. Lengthy diatribe about it here: https://pitchfork.com/features/article/9378-i-know- you-got-soul-the-trouble-with-billboards-rbhip-hop- chart/ Some great quotes from this article: "Billboard’s overhauled genre lists are essentially what I call “accordion charts”: condensed versions of the Hot 100, with all the songs that Billboard has decided don’t qualify for that genre taken out. You could actually make any week’s R&B/Hip-Hop chart yourself: Take that week’s Hot 100; cross out the pure-pop, country, and rock songs; and re-stack all the songs that are left, keeping them in the same order. Voilà: instant R&B chart.(To satisfy my curiosity for this story, I played the create-the-R&B- chart game with four different Hot 100s from various weeks throughout 2013. The only differences between my handmade R&B charts and Billboard’s official ones were the inclusion of older songs on lower rungs of the R&B chart that Billboard removes from the Hot 100 due to its recurrent rules that prune old songs. If these records had been left on the Hot 100, my faux R&B charts and Billboard’s would have been identical.)" "Indeed, fans of the pre-2012 system can check out the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart, which is virtually identical to the old methodology. As Pietroluongo implies, when the physical singles market died in the 2000s, the big R&B/Hip-Hop chart was essentially all- airplay, anyway." I was actually thinking that the "Top Pop Singles" book should be retitled the "The Hot 100 Singles" - does anyone think that the Hot 100 qualifies primarily as a Pop chart anymore? Edited by Chartman |
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