mfsb "tsop" fade out differences

i stand corrected........my 45 runs 3:32 and is identical to the version from the cd "soul hits of the 70's vol 12" faded 0:03 earlier....thanks for the help on this one.....

edtop40

The oldest CD I have with "TSOP (The Sound Of Philadelphia)" is Columbia Germany's Mixed Masters Vol. 3 (1989). It's the 5:40-ish version that first appeared on the Philadelphia Classics vinyl LP released in 1977. It sounds just OK here - nice dynamic range, good EQ, no evidence of noise reduction, but likely not the lowest-generation source tapes. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Forever Soul Vol. 1 (1995), which is far more common and likely far less expensive.

Bill Inglot found some terrific source tapes for Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 12 (1991). This version runs 3:34, with a fade from 3:18 to 3:34. Here, it sounds fantastic in every way. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 27 Dance Fever (1992)
Rhino's Rock Instrumental Classics Vol. 3 The '70s (1994) - digitally identical
Rhino's Billboard Hot Soul Hits 1974 (1995) - digitally identical
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 42 A Loss For Words (1995) - digitally exactly 0.9 dB louder
Rhino's Tube Tunes Vol. 1 The '70s (1995) - digitally identical
MCA's 3-CD Soul Train 25th Anniversary Hall Of Fame (1995) - digitally exactly 3.388 dB louder and clips a lot; avoid
Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 21 1974 (1996) - digitally exactly 1.9 dB louder
Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 9 1974 (1996) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 43 '70s Dance Party 1972-1974 (1997) - differently EQ'd digital clone
Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion One-Hit Wonders (2005) - digitally exactly 2.1 dB louder than Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 27 Dance Fever

Finally, there's a different, and pretty terrible-sounding, analog transfer on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Disco Fever (1991). This version runs 3:40, with a very gradual fade from 3:18 to 3:40. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Collector's Edition Disco (1995).

Discogs lists a printed time of 3:29 for the 45, and 3:43 for the LP. Was there was really a length difference between the two? If so, do the real lengths and fade points correspond with the 3:34 and 3:40 versions above?

I recommend Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 12 (1991) for "TSOP". Unless there's a pressing need to hear an additional six seconds of the song, I'd avoid the 3:40 version from Disco Fever, because it sounds awful.

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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 March 2006 at 7:04pm
	now you've really got me puzzled.....i gotta listen again, now..........
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2006 at 5:43pm
	i stand corrected........my 45 runs 3:32 and is identical to the version from the cd "soul hits of the 70's vol 12" faded 0:03 earlier....thanks for the help on this one.....
	edtop40

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2016 at 5:56pm
	...10 years later Just noticed that the parent LP of "TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia)" "Love Is The Message" states the run time as 3:43 on the label. Is that true or a label misprint? Database (or the note) will need updating following the verification.
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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 February 2017 at 8:32pm
	The oldest CD I have with "TSOP (The Sound Of Philadelphia)" is Columbia Germany's Mixed Masters Vol. 3 (1989). It's the 5:40-ish version that first appeared on the Philadelphia Classics vinyl LP released in 1977. It sounds just OK here - nice dynamic range, good EQ, no evidence of noise reduction, but likely not the lowest-generation source tapes. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Forever Soul Vol. 1 (1995), which is far more common and likely far less expensive. Bill Inglot found some terrific source tapes for Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 12 (1991). This version runs 3:34, with a fade from 3:18 to 3:34. Here, it sounds fantastic in every way. The same analog transfer is used on: Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 27 Dance Fever (1992) Rhino's Rock Instrumental Classics Vol. 3 The '70s (1994) - digitally identical Rhino's Billboard Hot Soul Hits 1974 (1995) - digitally identical Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 42 A Loss For Words (1995) - digitally exactly 0.9 dB louder Rhino's Tube Tunes Vol. 1 The '70s (1995) - digitally identical MCA's 3-CD Soul Train 25th Anniversary Hall Of Fame (1995) - digitally exactly 3.388 dB louder and clips a lot; avoid Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 21 1974 (1996) - digitally exactly 1.9 dB louder Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 9 1974 (1996) - differently-EQ'd digital clone Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 43 '70s Dance Party 1972-1974 (1997) - differently EQ'd digital clone Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion One-Hit Wonders (2005) - digitally exactly 2.1 dB louder than Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 27 Dance Fever Finally, there's a different, and pretty terrible-sounding, analog transfer on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Disco Fever (1991). This version runs 3:40, with a very gradual fade from 3:18 to 3:40. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Collector's Edition Disco (1995). Discogs lists a printed time of 3:29 for the 45, and 3:43 for the LP. Was there was really a length difference between the two? If so, do the real lengths and fade points correspond with the 3:34 and 3:40 versions above? I recommend *Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 12* (1991)** for "TSOP". Unless there's a pressing need to hear an additional six seconds of the song, I'd avoid the 3:40 version from Disco Fever, because it sounds awful. Edited by crapfromthepast
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ddipas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 03 September 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ddipas Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 February 2022 at 3:05pm
	I've got just one CD with what sounds like the long TV version. It's on "Get Down With The Philly Sound: The Dance Collection" on PIR/Legacy from 2008. The CD case is labeled "Not For Sale" and the song runs 3:43. It sounds just like the 45 version except the Three Degrees prominently sing "Soul Train," "people all over the world," and so on. Sound quality is excellent!