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"Here I Am (Come and Take Me)" - Al Green |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Jim reports his commercial 45 copy of Al Green's "Here I Am (Come and Take Me)" is mono and has an actual run time of 4:16, not 4:10 as stated on the record label. I pass this along because the database currently shows a 45 actual run time of 4:14, not 4:10 as stated on the label.
Two different pressings perhaps? |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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I sure do love this hit from 1973. So did UB40, who had a hit remake with it 18 years later in 1991.
LP and 45 version (4:14) The oldest CD I have with the LP/45 version is Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1973 (1990). It sounds pretty terrific here, and runs 4:14. There's a digital clone on Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 8 1973 (1996; digitally exactly 0.401 dB quieter). There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 21 Rock 'N' Soul Seventies (1991), which has a little left/right imbalance and runs a little slower than Billboard. It runs 4:16 here, mostly due to the speed difference. There's a different analog transfer on the Cema Special Markets' cheapie Al Green And Teddy Pendergrass - Back To Back Hits (1995), which sounds pretty good and runs 4:13. The same analog transfer is used on Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 19 Always And Forever (1998). And finally, one more new analog transfer on Right Stuff's Greatest Hits (1995), where it runs 4:12. It sounds great here, even though it's a little loud and clips a bit. Basically, this disc is the gold standard for Al Green hits. The same analog transfer is used on:
The oldest CD I have with the promo 45 edit is Motown's Compact Command Performances 14 Greatest Hits (1984), where it runs 3:11. This disc is part of the first batch of single-artist collections that Motown released - a very interesting batch of CDs. On the plus side, these discs have a great dynamic range, pretty good EQ, not a hint of noise reduction, and they let the fades run all the way out to the absolute end of the song. On the minus side, they may not use the lowest-generation source tapes, and most use the weaker stereo mixes for the older songs. The promo 45 has one edit and no early fade, so it's easy to recreate. The edit is between beats, so use the timings below. For Greatest Hits (1995), delete 1:04.8 to 2:09.9. Your edit will run 3:07. For Billboard Top R&B Hits 1973, delete 1:04.0 to 2:08.9. Your edit will run 3:10. My recommendation: I chose to use Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1973 (1990). It has basically the same sound quality as Greatest Hits, but is a little quieter and doesn't clip, and extends a second or two longer. I also chose to use my homemade edit of Billboard, instead of the Motown disc. |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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BTW, I am almost positive the mono version of this was a
fold. I folded the version from Al Green's Greatest Hits, and it sounds just like the mono 45 to me. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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The database says the short promo runs 3:04, yet Ron says it runs 3:10 on CD.
What is the actual run time of the 3:04 vinyl promo? Is it 3:04 or 3:10? |
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I get 3:10 on my 3:04 labeled promos (I have two, different printing on each so I checked both). Short side of the promos are mono, at
3:10. I haven't come across a promo 45 with the 3:10 edit in stereo. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. If you want to make a
homemade edit that runs 3:10, you'll need to choose the CD's that run 4:14. Everything else fades out too early. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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UPDATE:
Bill was kind enough to send me a mono DJ 45 dub for reference. It looks like the pitch is a bit slower than what's on CD. It also has an actual run time of 3:07 with the last thing you hear on the 45 is Al singing "teach me." |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Using the song from his Greatest Hits, after you've made
the edit like Ron detailed, and faded it completely after "teach me", slow it down by 1%. Edited by eriejwg |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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After looking at a few more Al Green songs, I can generalize:
The Al Green tracks on Motown sound weird, especially Compact Command Performances 14 Greatest Hits (1984). On just about all the tracks on that disc, the left and right tracks are out of synch, leading to lots of warbly artifacts when summed to mono. Everything released pre-1995, on any label, just sounds off, including all compilations and the UK disc The Supreme Al Green The Greatest Hits (Demon, 1992). The Right Stuff's Greatest Hits (1995) sounds SPECTACULAR. Really, just tremendous, especially in comparison with everything else that came out on CD before 1995. There are a bunch of digital clones on the 3-CD Hi Records label set Hi Times The Hi Records R&B Years (1995) and the 4-CD Al Green Anthology (1997). There are also a bunch of digital clones from GH on Time-Life's Legends Of Soul Vol. 5 Al Green (2001). All of these sound fantastic. I've heard that the full-length album remasters on The Right Stuff are also great, but can't confirm firsthand. My point: Don't use any Al Green tracks released on CD before 1995. The only exceptions: the handful of tracks on Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1972, 1973, 1974, Billboard Hot Soul Hits 1972, and Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 16. These sound quite nice - comparable to Greatest Hits. |
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