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davidclark 
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 Posted: 08 May 2011 at 6:03am |
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well, after having it pointed out to me exactly what to listen for, and MM
sending me a sample of the beginning of the 45, original LP, (and remix), I can now state that I hear the difference between the 45 and LP, although it is probably the most subtle difference I have ever come across. |
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MMathews
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 3:18pm |
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Hi all again....
Yes, and many thanks to John Pratt, he was kind enough to send me a test file with the intro from his copy of the promo 45, both stereo/mono sides, the original vinyl LP, and the CD "Power To The People" (albeit the last sample was a download, but i'm sure accurate.) Yes, folks this is indeed a hearing test- as it happens my upper mid-range and hi freq hearing is very sensitive, so to me this was easy to hear, but honestly this string overdub is exactly what David says, very subtle...and it's low in the mix, likely down about -10 db compared to the guitar. Near as i could figure in my wave editor, the strings (or synth-string) occur in the 8-10k freq. range. So: -Both sides of DJ 45 HAVE the strings. -The vinyl album does NOT have the strings. -Neither mix/issue of the CD of the album has the strings. Conclusion: 45 version different mix from LP version. Cd's known (so far) to contain the 45 version: John Lennon Collection Legend There ya have it - and thanks John, for sending the vinyl dubs and wow, very clean records and crystal clean dubs from them. -Mark M |
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Yah Shure
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 9:03am |
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Mark, thank you very much for your detailed analysis! Hearing test, indeed. <sigh> Also, thanks to Bill for the added listening tips.
I'm still scratching my head a bit over this one, though: Mark indicated to me that the string overdub falls within the 8 to 10 kilohertz range. Top-40 radio was still largely an AM medium in 1975, so why bother adding an 8-10kHz string to the 45, when it would have been well above the highest frequency response of most typical AM receivers then in use? |
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Bill Cahill
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 7:52pm |
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The synth may be on the multi track and just not mixed in for all versions. I notice on the Gimme Some Truth CD (which claims to be original LP mixes) the synth strings appear to fade up and can be heard slightly for a split second at :51 as John finishes the phrase "stand by me". Then the distorted refrain wipes out any evidence of it being on the song, but it may be there after that point to be felt, not heard. (So this version on "Truth", while missing the synth on the intro, appears to have some synth starting at :51.) On the 45 where the synth starts on the song intro, the synth can be heard all the way to that :51 point and then gets wiped out by the refrain, but it might be buried into the distortion on that mix too. On the actual remix that was done for some CDs (which has less distortion), the synth string does not pop on for that split second. And yes, these are DOG EAR notes.
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EdisonLite
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 11:48pm |
In 1975, I was listening to pop radio on the FM dial only. (Actually, I was since 1972 - when I started listening to the radio.) By 1975 or 1976, I actually had a good stereo hi-fi (separate components) and not just FM on a radio. All my friends at this point were listening to FM stations, and in fact I didn't know a single person who listened to AM radio in my middle school. So to answer the above question, my guess is the label was aiming toward FM listeners and, considering John Lennon was such a major, important artist, that probably factored in as well. I would equate this to when stereo LPs were first being manufactured. Very few people had stereo systems then but labels were looking ahead to the future. Still, it's such a minor mix difference in "Stand By Me", I can totally understand all the head scratching on this one :) Edited by EdisonLite |
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