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    Posted: 13 April 2009 at 9:23am
The actual commercial 45 run time of Three Dog Night's "Shambala" is 3:26. (Timing info courtesy of Jim. The printed record label time is 3:27.) I only mention this because database CD run times range widely from 3:17-3:32.

By the way, Pat, does the song really run 3:32 on the O.S.T. Drowning Mona CD (Hip-O 314541311), or is this run time a typo? I ask because this is :08 longer than the next longest CD run time in the database.
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Yes, the actual running time on O.S.T. Drowning Mona is (3:32).
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Was the original 45 mono?
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Yes, the original stock 45 was mono. DJ copies had a stereo side but it was electronic stereo, different process than the electronic stereo used on the LP. I have always heard they were in such a hurry to release it that they never mixed it to real stereo.
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The writer of "Shambala", Daniel Moore, was a close friend of RCA artist B.W. Stevenson, who both knew of and recorded "Shambala" first. His 45 version debuted on the Hot 100 on 5/12/73, one week before 3 Dog Night's version did on 5/19/73. Dunhill/ABC knew that EVERY day Stevenson's version was out there on 45, and Cory's/Danny's/Chuck's version wasn't yet, that the "Dogs" could lose out on the hit. I read somewhere, years ago, that the "Shambala" effort may have been the biggest "rush release" in the label's history. Once they had the all-important mono 45 mix completed, they just "faked" a stereo version for the other side of the DJ 45, just to get copies into radio's hands absolutely ASAP.
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There was even an earlier alternate mono mix that leaked out there; I have no idea if if leaked on tape dub, acetate, promo, or select commercial releases (but I have a dub of it).

Andy

By the way, Bill, what kind of rechannelling was used on the promo? Was it Orban Stereo Synthesizer sounding, reverb-added, or what?
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Well, on my copy it's hard to tell if it's re-channeled at all. I think I notice a hint of the bass being boosted slightly for one channel. But it might just be mono, just slightly off to the right. Or I'm just hearing wear. It certainly isn't the duophonic type effect heard on the LP.
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In comparing the "stereo" and mono sides of my DJ 45, they're both straight mono, and run an identical 3:26. The difference is that the mono side is more compressed, and is cut about 28% louder than the "stereo" side.

The story, at least according to the liner notes from the Celebrate CD:

Cory Wells: "That one had all kinds of repercussions. An unethical song pitcher pitches me the tune, and I tell him to freeze it. He takes it to B.W. Stevenson. You see, people wanted to know what we were gonna do so they could beat us out."

Chuck Negron: "Cory and I had a big fight, because I didn't want to put it out as a single. I said, 'You are letting RCA, who had Stevenson, decide our next single' instead of releasing the album and letting radio and the public decide."

Richie Podolor (producer): "We had two days to do it. Michael (Allsup) did one overdub, but I ended up playing seven guitar parts because not everybody was available. It was such a rush-rush thing. We used helicopters to fly out acetates to DJs to get that going. We didn't have it pressed, and we were reviewed and we had a hit with it, just hand-carrying it to stations."


There's more drama there than on your average daytime soap! :) It must've been fun north of the border, where Dunhill was distributed by RCA.
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I wrote this for BSN some time ago and have updated it here:

B.W. Stevenson recorded Shambala first, then Three Dog Night did a very rushed version and ABC/Dunhill raced all over the country delivering advance copies to key top 40 stations. Ours arrived at KRUX/Phoenix an hour or so after I got off the air at 2am - and we added it to our playlist a few hours later. That's still one of the classic "hustle" stories in the record promotion biz.

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Originally posted by AndrewChouffi AndrewChouffi wrote:

There was even an earlier alternate mono mix that leaked out there; I have no idea if if leaked on tape dub, acetate, promo, or select commercial releases (but I have a dub of it).


I heard that on a May 1973 aircheck of WRKO in Boston. The main difference is that the short instrumental break prior to the third verse doesn't contain the guitar solo that became familiar on the commercial version.
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