"...Tear Your Playhouse Down"- Paul Young

Reviving this one, has anyone been able to determine the reason for the extra :06?

edtop40 wrote: my commercial 45 issued as columbia 05577 states a run time on the label as 4:39 and does indeed run that length and is a sped up version of the 4:45 cd/lp version....this is what accounts for the 0:06 time difference.....this info should be added to the db....john, i'm sending you both the vinyl 45 and the cd version for you to match.....thanks edtop40

I'm not sure if I fully understand your statement. Did
you mean to say that the commercial 45 is a sped up
version of the listing that is labeled "45 version" in
the database (which runs 4:45)? The actual LP version
from the Secret of Association runs 5:05 and is different
from the version labeled "45 version" in the database
(different mix, intro).

Or, to put it another way, should the "45 version"
listings in the database indicate "45 version but runs
slower than the 45"?

yes...the 4:45 45 versions listed are actually very slow and the true 45 actually runs 4:39, but it is the same mix as the 4:45 version

I have Paul Young's From Time To Time (The Singles
Collection). From what I am gathering from this
thread, the version on this compilation is the edit of
the US 12" version remixed by John Potoker. This is
also the 7" version on the commercial and promo 45
running 4:39 but it runs 4:45 on this and other
compilations. The interesting thing is I have the
promo 12" (Columbia ‎– CAS 2166) and the version I
have on this disc does indeed run 4:45 and is slower
than the 45. If I speed it up by 2% it then runs
4:39. The 12" version on the record is also mistimed
as 6:15 but actually runs about 6:25. I am guessing
the label sped it up on the 7" version to appeal to
top 40 radio. The 4:45 sounds sluggish now that I
have heard the difference.

Edited by promojunkie

I grabbed a dub of the US 45 from YouTube, played on a nice pitch-controlled turntable. It's a styrene pressing that sounds like mud, but it's good enough for evaluation.

I played with these in Audacity, and determined that if you pitch up the version on From Time To Time by 2.37%, it exactly matches the US 45. Same fade points, same length. I don't know what's on the UK 45.

The BPM Analyzer software showed the YouTube clip of the US 45 as running at 115.00 BPM and the From Time To Time version as running at 112.32 BPM, which gives a ratio of 2.39%. Pretty good agreement with my brute-force method from Audacity.

Edited by crapfromthepast