John Williams - Close Encounters

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   There's no notation for the versions listed in the database.  Being that the 45 runs 3:13, do the other versions simply fade a bit earlier, i.e., is the Instrumental Magic version a "DJ fade"?

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: John Williams - Close Encounters Posted: 24 November 2007 at 7:16am
	There's no notation for the versions listed in the database. Being that the 45 runs 3:13, do the other versions simply fade a bit earlier, i.e., is the Instrumental Magic version a "DJ fade"?
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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 November 2007 at 11:07am
	This is a good question, David, given that DJ copies of "Theme from 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'" are reported to run 3:06 and all of the song's CD appearances in the database run from 3:05-3:09. Edited by Todd Ireland

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 April 2011 at 8:37pm
	Did we ever get this figured out, why exactly the commercial single version runs four to six seconds longer than it does on any CD? Does the commercial 45 run faster, or is it an early fade? If anyone wants to shoot me an MP3 of a commercial 45 dub, I can investigate.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2012 at 12:28am
	The fade on the 45 is longer than what is currently available on CD.
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MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2016 at 2:12am
	Recently I was working on this song and going in I had the assumption that the Cd appearances running (3:05) to (3:09) were simply the DJ 45 version. The actual DJ 45 (3:06)is in fact just an early fade of the stock 45, which runs (3:13). There is no "LP Version" since this song was never included in the soundtrack LP (despite the the picture sleeve clearly stating it was). It was included in some cassette pressings from 1978, and then as a bonus track on the Varese re-issue of the soundtrack. But when I compared the 45 closely with the CD, I discovered that the version on CD is neither the 45 nor promo 45 at all. It is a previously un-heard alternate mix. With Jim and Pat's help I found that all 3 of the Cd's in the DB contain this remix. I must note that the mix differences are subtle - I had NO clue this wasn't the single until I really put this under a microscope. The main differences are as follows: 1) In the intro of the 45, a keyboard plays the 5 theme notes twice, then the music starts on a down beat. But on CD, the opening notes play twice and we hear a tom-drum hit before the down beat. The drums also start about 1/2 second sooner on the Cd as well. 2)On the 45, at about :28 and again at :33, there are 2 loud concert-bass drum hits. But in the same places on the CD mix, those drum hits are missing. 3)The CD master has a generous amount of reverb added to the left channel - the 45 does not have this reverb. I assume when this was first digitized for CD, Arista pulled a wrong tape. Maybe that mix was issued in another country - who knows? So bottom line is, the only place to get the 45 version is from a 45 dub. MM

JMD1961 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote JMD1961 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2016 at 3:08am
	I can't comment on the remix issue, but I can answer this. The 45 version was indeed included with at least the initial pressings of the vinyl LP. True, it's not on the actual LP itself. Much like "Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through" on Jim Steinman's "Bad For Good" LP, the 45 was included as a separate 7" insert. I still have my copy of this insert from when I bought the LP at the time it came out. It lists a run time of 3:13 (which I have never timed for confirmation) and the note "Special Complimentary Single; Not For Resale" across the top of the label. Another unique thing about it is that is a truly one-sided single. No flip side. The back of the single is just smooth vinyl with a blank label. Also unusual for a 7" single, it plays at 33 1/3 instead of the usual 45 RPM. So, the single was included with the LP. Just not ON it.

Plastic Steel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Plastic Steel Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2016 at 9:36am
	A one-sided single? Missed opportunity. They could have used Side B for "Roy & Ronnie's Homemade Mashed Potatoes" recipe.