Shirelles "Mama Said" Question

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   I got a gift card from I Tunes so I figured, what the heck, I'd download the "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" budget album from Gusto. A compliation of the Shirelles hits. I figure since they own the masters and the samples I heard were original versions, it might be fun just to have it.

On this collection, Mama Said is really mono with instruments added to make it sound stereo, unless this is some alternate take. 

There were several artists who had this done to their masters in the 60's, the label took the mono master and add instruments to it. Because they either couldn't find or locate the mult track, or didn't care. 

Does anybody know when this was done, and for what original project? 

My vinyl stereo Best Of Shirelles on Scepter circa the  70's has the song in typical stereo with no added instruments. 

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BillCahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillCahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Shirelles "Mama Said" Question Posted: 14 October 2007 at 8:09am
	I got a gift card from I Tunes so I figured, what the heck, I'd download the "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" budget album from Gusto. A compliation of the Shirelles hits. I figure since they own the masters and the samples I heard were original versions, it might be fun just to have it. On this collection, Mama Said is really mono with instruments added to make it sound stereo, unless this is some alternate take. There were several artists who had this done to their masters in the 60's, the label took the mono master and add instruments to it. Because they either couldn't find or locate the mult track, or didn't care. Does anybody know when this was done, and for what original project? My vinyl stereo Best Of Shirelles on Scepter circa the 70's has the song in typical stereo with no added instruments.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 October 2007 at 8:55am
	It says on the cover art that it's the original Scepter masters, but I wonder if it's either alternate takes on the Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow compilation , or, the versions we've come to know are alternate takes.

BillCahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillCahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 October 2007 at 5:29am
	I don't trust anything that Gusto says, so I assume they just pulled a master without checking. I would have thought that they'd just pirate what Rhino or Varese has done with their stuff. But no, they used this odd, instruments added version.

TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 October 2007 at 11:51am
	I heard a preview of the song, it's definitely no demo or alternate take, but those strings added to a mono version sound REALLY weird.......
	Live in stereo.

BillCahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillCahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 October 2007 at 4:52pm
	Could this be from the LP "The Shirelles sing to Trumphets and Strings" (1961)? That LP has "Mama Said" on it. So they may have needed to add the strings to make it fit the LP concept.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2016 at 11:19pm
	My commercial 45, confirmed as Scepter 1217 (with handwritten deadwax info of "45-S1217A") has both a listed and actual time of (2:10). I only post this info because the more than 40 current db CDs that include the original recording of this song range in actual time from (2:04) to (2:10), with only a handful of them running either (2:09) or (2:10). There are many that run just (2:04) or (2:05), so if you're a stickler for correct 45 length, go with the longest CD versions you own. Edited by jimct

ddipas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 03 September 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ddipas Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 March 2023 at 8:24pm
	I recently ripped the CD of the soundtrack of "One Fine Day" (1996). "Mama Said" by the Shirelles is track 4, and it's in stereo. But there is a complete dropout for about half a second at about 0:02. It ripped fine and CUERipper indicated no errors at all. Could someone please check their copy to compare?