Sly & The Family Stone - I Want To Take..

Thanks to Doug, who just provided me with a comparison copy of "I Want To Take You Higher," I have just uncovered another piece of information. This song, although listed in the database as "45 version" and "LP version" is really just a difference in lengths between the 45 and LP. Of course, there may be mono/stereo differences; however, the stereo copies that currently read "45 version" should probably indicate "45 length."

i would agree with aaron....if the 45 is an early fade of the cd/lp version, no matter what length the balance of the song goes it should be listed as lp length and NOT lp version......

I believe it comes down to this... The diehard audio editors on this board often times use the database info create our own edits. As an editor, it's handy to know when a 45 version is nothing more than an early fade of the LP version (regardless of how early that fade is). Cases like these throw me off because it makes me think that there's something more to it...an edit, a mix difference, etc.

I understand Pat and Doug's reasoning, but at what point does a 45 length become a 45 version? If it can't be measured by a specific amount of time, then what is the qualifier? Take the entries for Prince in the database as an example...

"I Wanna Be Your Lover" is listed as "length" but the difference is about the same as "I Want To Take You Higher." The 45 length is (2:57), while the LP length is (5:46), and it also goes into an instrumental jam.

Same thing goes for "Purple Rain" "When Doves Cry" "Sign 'O' The Times" and "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man." All of those tracks are listed as "length," and in my opinion they should be; however, they all could be eligible for a "version" comment based on Pat's description above.

Guys, let's not continue to go around in circles on this issue. We all have our opinions on it, right or wrong. Long ago, Pat made a personal decision, which involves MANY entries, that he has ALREADY told us would be far too time-consuming to change. Some of us may not like this. But let's respect Pat enough to drop it. It's just not productive. It's HIS publication. Nothing is perfect. Us "version re-creators" must do our best to work around the inconvenience, accept what cannot easily be changed, and move forward - there's much 45 work still to be done, my good friends.

jimct wrote: Long ago, Pat made a personal decision, which involves MANY entries, that he has ALREADY told us would be far too time-consuming to change.

Yes, I agree. I'm not trying to argue with Pat's reasoning, but rather trying to understand it. It seems to me inconsistent that "I Want To Take You Higher" and "I Wanna Be Your Lover" have similar issues, but one is "length" and the other is "version." Actually, it might have been me who suggested changing the Prince songs in my "Prince 45 Versions" thread a while back. If that's the case, I apologize for making your database inconsistent, Pat.