Drake’s upcoming Hot 100 Feat
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Topic: Drake’s upcoming Hot 100 Feat
Posted By: Chartman
Subject: Drake’s upcoming Hot 100 Feat
Date Posted: 11 September 2021 at 11:39am
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For next week’s Hot 100 Drake is projected to occupy the Top 5, 11 of
the top 12, and 17 of the top 25. Certainly the greatest chart achievement in the history of the Billboard pop charts!! Funny thing though, next week’s Drakemania just isn’t in the same ballpark as Beatlemania during April 1964 - at least in my humble opioid. But the Hot 100 tells a different story. |
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Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 11 September 2021 at 12:54pm
It really is like comparing apples to oranges. No digital downloads or streaming in 1964 for The Beatles to benefit from. Plus a song had to be physically released as a single in order to chart. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Funny thing though, next week’s Drakemania just
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 11 September 2021 at 2:33pm
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It'll be interesting to see how much longer any of them
remain in the chart for the weeks following. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 September 2021 at 2:38pm
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How does the "Hot 100 tell a different story"? The chart is merely a snapshot of a particular week. Chart enthusiasts like to compare historical chart data (mainly peak/chart positions), but that's really meaningless, and it always has been, regardless of chart methodology.
As an example, how do you know what was the bigger Beatles hit between "Can't Buy Me Love" (#1 for 5 weeks in 1964) and "Get Back" (#1 for 5 weeks in 1969)? You can't know this by looking only at the peak position and number of weeks on the chart. It's meaningless when doing a comparison between charts that are 5 years apart. "Can't Buy Me Love" has only been certified as selling 1,000,000 copies. "Get Back" has been certified as selling 2,000,000 copies. Based on this additional data, "Get Back" was likely the bigger hit, but the Hot 100 charts would not be able to tell you this. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 September 2021 at 12:46am
The Beatles owned Apple. As far as I know Drake doesn't own Oranges (a little music humor...) You can't compare The Beatles "owning" the Top 5 of the Hot 100 and Drake possibly putting 5 singles in the Top 5 of the Hot 100. The Beatles didn't have digital downloads, youtube etc to bolster their numbers. Now if you want to talk about the Bee Gees "owning" writing credits in the top 5 one week fine. Mariah Carey has more weeks at #1 then Elvis. The only reason she beat the record if I recall was the release of her 1994 Xmas song when the chart rules changed. Does that make Elvis and his accomplishments less? Hell just because Glee owns the # of songs charting over Elvis is that an accomplishment? I personally don't think so. If Drake can secure the Top 5 its an accomplishment for that week and like Aaron said a snapshot of that week. If it does happen it would only be the second time ever. So yes different eras but the Beatles accomplishment will always stand out as being unique to the time. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 September 2021 at 4:16am
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For the past few years I've been saying (only half-jokingly) that Drake should release an album with 100 cuts, just to
see how many of them he could put on the Hot 100 the first week of release. Yeah, comparing different eras is often tricky (more like comparing apples to bowling balls). For example, The Beatles never had a song chart for more than 19 weeks on the Hot 100! Still, it's human nature to want to compare things like this, and without such interest, I doubt Record Research would even exist. So overall, I'm glad enough people are interested. |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 12 September 2021 at 5:14am
I don't know if the chart methodology changed between 1964 and 1969, but if it didn't, I'd say it's a fair comparison. In a case like that, they'd be on an even playing field. When you compare charts that are more than half a century apart after several changes in how the chart is compiled, I could see the argument about it being meaningless. It's true that a #1 song can be outsold by any lower peaking song, but sales alone don't tell the full story of how popular a song is, just like airplay, streaming, etc doesn't. That's why personally I'm glad that they had/have separate charts for sales and airplay. You get to see how a song performs in both aspects and then you can see its overall performance on the main chart ("Hot 100"). ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 September 2021 at 6:01am
It may be a "fair" comparison, but there's still no way to know if the songs are on an even playing field. If two songs never played on the same field at the same time against each other, how can you accurately assess which is the bigger hit without knowing additional data, like actual number of sales, actual number of radio plays, actual number of jukebox plays, etc.? As you rightly pointed out, there have been lower peaking songs that outperform #1 songs, and we know this based on other data like sales numbers and radio spins.
I agree about it being human nature, but for me it's never been about comparing songs from different time periods. I've always looked at the research as "how did that song perform at that given time relative to the other songs that were out at that exact time." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 13 September 2021 at 11:13am
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Drake did it…
9 out of the top 10 songs on the Hot 100! Congrats, but this just feels so… wrong. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 13 September 2021 at 3:15pm
Billboard already comparing Drake's achievement with that of the Beatles. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9629040/drake- hot-100-history-way-2-sexy-number-one/ Plus they go on and list many more chart records. Funny thing is that almost everyone knew about the Beatles back in 1964 - they were all over TV news. Drake in 2021 - not so much. Billboard very straight forward factual statements without any reference to chart caveats and that comparing different eras is an apple to oranges comparison. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 13 September 2021 at 8:56pm
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No disrespect to Drake’s massive accomplishments but am I the only
one who feels culturally divorced from this phenomenon? Not sure if it’s my age, but even as recently as the last decade, Taylor Swift felt huge, Adele was everywhere, Rihanna - I could go on. But Drake just doesn’t feel that commercial. It’s like he has a massive streaming fan base and rhythmic radio support but has never been a mainstream consensus act. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 September 2021 at 9:37pm
Adele can sell millions of CD's. Rihanna has always had a huge radio presence. Taylor Swift can write her own hits. Drake has a huge youtube/streaming fanbase who buys his albums and tracks. The only time I saw Drake not chart every album track as releases was 2009 and 2013, his first two albums. I remember Hotline Bling as being huge and that was the start of his ascent into amassing a following. Taylor's albums chart too but she never can get enough fans to monopolize the Top 5 spots on the Hot 100... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 14 September 2021 at 3:43am
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That’s all very true. I guess I’m also a little culturally bummed as a lot
of the Drake content is kinda questionable and rife with the N word, etc. A little sad that this is what reflects the Top of the Top in the 21st century… |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 14 September 2021 at 2:28pm
There's always clean versions :) ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |