Contours - Do You Love Me (1988 Remix)
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Topic: Contours - Do You Love Me (1988 Remix)
Posted By: thecdguy
Subject: Contours - Do You Love Me (1988 Remix)
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 6:42am
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Couldn't find a thread for the song, so I'll start one here. I was listening to an American Top 40 countdown from 1988 yesterday on iHeartRadio and the version of
"Do You Love Me" that they played was obviously a remix and had different vocals than the original 1962 version. I've looked on Discogs, and I didn't see any listings for a US 45 from 1988, so I'm wondering if there was indeed one released and maybe it just hasn't been listed there yet (or maybe I missed it)? All I've been able to find is a 12" Vinyl Single, apparently no Cassette or Promo CD Singles were issued for it, either. The 12" Single's A-Side has a Remix running 6:26 and an Edited Version of the Remix running 2:37. The B-Side has the original version and another song, "Shake Sherrie". (I assume what I heard on AT40 was the Edited Version of the Remix). I liked what I heard on AT40 and was just wondering if anyone knew of the remix existing anywhere on CD. I don't know if it was on the "More Dirty Dancing" soundtrack, as I never got around to buying it, even though I had the first volume. Also, did the remix get any airplay at Top 40 radio at the time? I don't remember it having any airplay at all, at least not here in the Philadelphia area. And if there was no US 45 in 1988 for the song, what would be considered the 1988 Single Version, the longer remix that appears as Track 1 on the A-Side, or the original version if it had the most airplay? I guess that last question is open for debate, since the version that appears on a single isn't necessarily always the version that becomes a hit, but then others might say that whatever the first track is would be the "official" single version. Would like to hear any thoughts on this. ------------- Dan In Philly |
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 7:16am
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Hi Dan. This previous thread my have some answers for you: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2771&PN=1 - http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2771 &PN=1 ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 7:43am
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Thanks for the link Santi, but nothing comes up when I
click it on. I had a feeling there was a thread about this song somewhere and it just didn't come up for some reason. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 7:56am
| Just bumped the old thread up for you. |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:07am
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Thanks for the bump, Paul! So I guess the Motown
Yesteryear 45 was the commercial single in 1988, even though it had been released years before. Still wondering if the edited remix was what I heard on AT40 yesterday. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:18am
Yes, the Motown Yesteryear 45 was definitely the commercial release in 1988. |
thecdguy wrote:Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:19am
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I always thought the 1988 release was just a re-release of the 1962 version. Man this board really educates me sometimes and takes me to school.... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:23am
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FWIW, I never heard a remix on the radio in 1988 (always the original 1962 version). I wonder if AT40 truly played a remix,
or was it one of those that was later substituted in for the AT40 replays??? |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:43am
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I used to pay detailed attention to Billboard's Power Pick Airplays and would
always be interested when chart columnist Michael Ellis would cite statistics on how good a hit indicator they were. At one point an Airplay Power Pick in the 20s, 30s or 40s would GUARANTEE 100% a future top 5 placement, and probably a #1. The first 2-1/2 years was fool-proof until "Do You Love Me" broke the streak (for obvious reasons - no cassette single). From that point I noticed the Power Pick was less reliable (Glenn Frey, Lisa Stansfield, etc) |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:56am
It was apparently the original '62 version on the Motown Yesteryear 45 that was re-released in 1988. It's the 12" that had the remixes (along with the original on the B-Side). ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 9:24am
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I always see this song as the root of the '90s trend of withholding commercial
singles - or at least playing around with releasing only limited commercial formats. Within two years we had the labels only releasing a 12" for 'U Can't Touch This' or outrightly not releasing physical singles of hit songs (Bart-man, State of the World). Other than the very occasional anomaly (Spotlight, Bon Jovi), this is the first evidence of limited commercial single sales retarding chart position. I wonder if there are any other earlier instances in the 80s that I've missed. |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 10:43am
In this song' s case, I always thought the lack of a Cassette Single was because of the format still being relatively new and the label not sure how sales of it would perform. The 3" CD Single was also around at this time, and that format never really took off in the US. By 1990, Cassette Singles had overtaken vinyl in sales, so the whole "U Can't Touch This" thing was an obvious attempt to boost sales of the album. On the other hand, the previous 3 Top 10 Singles from "Dirty Dancing" all had Cassette Singles for them, so you'd think there would have been one for the Contours song as well. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 12:43pm
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OK, I'm erroneously conflating this situation with the "Unchained Melody" vinyl
fiasco 2 years later. Here's what they said on the Hot 100 Singles Spotlight" on July 2, 1988: "(The Contours) record is in the Motown Yesteryear series, and only a limited number of singles were pressed. An attempt is being made to get more singles out, but it is complicated by the uncertain ownership of Motown, which is reportedly about to be sold to MCA Records. If no records are pressed soon, we may have an answer to the frequently asked question, How far can a record go on the Hot 100 without significant sales? Getting into the top 20 will certainly be tough.". He was right - the song eventually topped out at #11. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 2:17pm
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American Top 40 started out with the original version for the weeks of 7/2, 7/9, and 7/16. For the show on 7/23, when the song had reached #17, they switched to the Edited Remix found on the 12" single. They continued to play the remix from this point through it's last chart week on 8/20/1988. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 2:21pm
Interesting. Now I wonder what their source was if it wasn't available on CD anywhere. Maybe they were just playing a dub of the 12"? ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 2:28pm
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From listening to a handful of the '80s era shows, it sounds like AT40 used vinyl for many of the songs. I'd be curious to know how many tape dubs they received for songs that were otherwise only on vinyl. At some point in the 1990s, they often stated during the show that they used HitDisc for their music. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 4:15am
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my yesteryear 45 from 1988 is the same as the original
1962 version ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 4:26am
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Just curious, Aaron...are the AT40 shows you listened to the originals? The reason I ask is because some of the
re-airings contain substituted recordings (often just better sounding ones). |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 5:43am
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They sound original to me. None of the music on these particular
shows sound like they have been swapped out, as I can hear groove distortion and record noise on the songs. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 7:18am
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It has been asked in both DYLM? threads whether the 12"
Remix (1988) appears on CD. After doing some sleuthing, I can say that it very likely appears on one CD: a 1989 Motown release titled Do You Love Me (Now That I Can Dance), which is not a straight reissue of The Contours' debut album of the same name but a then-new compilation of previous singles. The catalog number is MOTD-5415 and it appears to be out of print. I do not own the 12" single myself, so I cannot compare its cut A1 ("Remix") to cut A2 ("Edited Version") to validate whether the edit can fully be re- created from the long version, but if someone can confirm that, I would be happy to start trying to run down this CD and work on the edit. http://www.45worlds.com/cdalbum/cd/motd5415 - 45Worlds listing for this CD release Discogs listing for the cassette version (CD is not listed there): https://www.discogs.com/The-Contours-Do-You-Love-Me-Now- That-I-Can-Dance/release/10080633 More circumstantial evidence ... there are some references by casual listeners to this "awful disco version" of "Do You Love Me?" that turned up on CDs with this title they purchased through Amazon, but due to the way they merge their reviews, I cannot be certain which product listing, if any, would yield the right product. (Please forgive the broken Discogs link ... I have attempted to correct 3 times and the forum doesn't like something about it.) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 7:19am
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Going back to Dan's original post:
I heard the same AT40 episode on iHeartRadio's "Classic AT40" channel, and I also noticed that "Do You Love Me" was the 1988 version with the extra production stuff, not the 1962 original. Earlier in the weekend, I caught their airing of AT40's "Top 50 of 1979" countdown. The show included the incorrect mix of Anita Ward's "Ring My Bell" (the previously unreleased mix that first appeared on Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1979 disc from 1991). Obviously, this mix didn't appear on the 1979 airing of the show. I also confirmed that it didn't appear on Shannon Lynn's remastering of the show. Someone at iHeartRadio must have edited the show to replace the music. Not sure why it was edited this way, or who did the editing, though. Point being: The shows you hear on iHeartRadio's "Classic AT40" channel are not always as they originally aired. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 8:11am
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I heard the same Top 50 of 1979 countdown Ron, and
noticed the version of "Y.M.C.A." they played had different vocals. I wondered where they got that version as well. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 9:12am
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IIRC, a guy named Toby James Petty is the one responsible for "updating" some of the tracks used on the re-airings of AT40.
I always thought that he tried to stick with the original versions, but I guess not! Which is what prompted me to ask Aaron about the Contours song (by 1988, I wasn't listening to AT40 as intently as I used to). |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 9:13am
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That version of "Y.M.C.A." is originally from the soundtrack of Can't Stop The Music, which came out a year after the song was a hit. This version of the song turned up on a few compilations over the years.
Also safe to say that the original airing of the "Top 50 of 1979" and Shannon Lynn's remastering didn't use that alternate version of the song. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 12:53pm
I own the 12" single, and I can confirm with certainty that the "Edited Version" cannot be edited from the 6:33 "Remix." During the first chorus of the Edited Version, there are lyrical differences that are no where to be found on the long version. On the Edited Version, the first chorus is as follows: Do you love me? (I can really move) Do you love me? (I'm in the groove) The vocals on every chorus of the "Remix," by contrast, sounds like this: Do you love me? (Do you love me?) Do you love me, baby? (Do you love me?) There's not a single chorus in the entire 6:33 version that matches the opening chorus of the "Edited Version." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 24 August 2020 at 1:23pm
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Aaron,
Disappointing news, but thank you for confirming! This kind of thing is always good to know before wasting a bunch of time and effort. I have still not come across any indication of the “Edited Version” of the Remix being released on CD. |