Edwin Hawkins Singers - Oh Happy Day
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Topic: Edwin Hawkins Singers - Oh Happy Day
Posted By: davidclark
Subject: Edwin Hawkins Singers - Oh Happy Day
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 11:44am
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another one...
anyone can tell me if the 45 actually ends at 4:59 as per Joel Whitburn, or does it end cold and run 5:08 or so like most stereo CD appearances? ------------- dc1 |
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 2:15pm
| The correct running time of the 45 is (5:08) not (4:59) as stated and it does fade out. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 6:03pm
I have to check my 45, but mine doesn't fade out. It is the exact same as the version found on Rhino's "didn't it blow your mind" Volume one. |
Pat Downey wrote:Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 6:03pm
| double post |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 6:12pm
| My stock 45 ends cold. PBS 20001A - 1C in deadwax. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 10:49pm
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By cold, you mean it's when they sing the line "Oh happy...daayyyy", just like the end of a church hymn, right? That's how my 45 ends. There's no fade.
I was six or seven when that song came out, and at the time I felt like it was the longest record I had ever heard from what I grew up with up to that point. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 2:18am
| My bad, Grant. "Cold" means quick and abrupt. I should've used the word "ends" instead. My stock 45 finishes up exactly as you describe it. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 5:26am
| The version found on Rhino 70781 is the same version as my 45 but that is definitely a fade with a piano note being held for about 4 seconds after the last words of the song which are "oh happy day" while slowly fading out. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 7:55am
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Here's what I was taught about describing song endings:
FADE - the song fades out, not on an "end" note COLD - the song ends abruptly COLD FADE - the song hits an "end" note, and that note fades out Although I'm not familiar with this song, it sounds like Pat is describing a cold fade. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 8:17am
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The version in my station's library runs about 3:35. I remember editing it myself, cutting the 5:08 CD version to match the short version on some compilation LP. There was at least one cut within the song (i.e. not just faded early).
Of course, now I can't remember what album that came from - it may have been Dick Clark's 20 Years/20 Hits compilation - but I'm not sure. Was this 3:35 version released anywhere? |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 4:55pm
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 June 2013 at 10:41pm
| Just a minor note for accuracy purposes and database consideration... The full artist credit for "Oh Happy Day", as shown on commercial 45 copies, is The Edwin Hawkins Singers featuring Dorothy Combs Morrison. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 20 June 2013 at 2:59am
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To answer Eric_a,
The Dick Clark 20 Years/20 Hits compilation 2 LP set on Buddah contained the full length version. MM |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 20 June 2013 at 10:16am
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Eric, the 2-LP set you used to construct your in-house edit was released in
1976, titled "The Best Of Buddah". I remember it well. I have one here somewhere, and could locate/provide it if needed. To me, this GRT release was the only appearance of this short edit, ever (besides the more recent vintage, edited, "Best Of Buddah" db CD), and is obviously "unofficial". Discogs has the particulars: http://www.discogs.com/Various-Best-Of-Buddah/release/555719 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 05 February 2014 at 1:48pm
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While this song appeared in the U.S. on the Buddah subsidiary label
Pavilion, this 45 was the group's only release on it. All subsequent 45 releases (none were hits, excepting their supporting role on Melanie's "Lay Down") were on Buddah itself. "Oh Happy Day" 45s were issued on Buddah for the rest of the world. I know that we normally don't discuss non-U.S. 45 releases on here. But there has long been curiosity about a possible/actual "legitimate" shorter version existing. We already know that all U.S. 45s have a listed time (4:59), and an actual time of (5:08). I recently happened to spot a UK stock 45, with a listed time of (3:55) on eBay. I was curious as to its contents, so I bought it. Here are the particulars: Listed and actual time (3:55). Like the U.S. 45, this 45 is also in stereo. (With machine-stamped deadwax of "201048 A//1 420"). The song's ending is faded out earlier than the U.S. 45, but a more careful examination will be needed to see if any other edits are present. This UK 45 clearly doesn't match up with the lone, (3:05) "edited" version database CD. My conclusion is that Buddah UK created this edited version themselves, in much the same way U.S. labels would sometimes "tinker" with singles done by UK artists, especially during the 60's, trying to increase its hit potential over here. So, while it's debatable whether or not this import 45's length qualifies as an "official, label-created" version or not (I tend to think no), I thought my findings were at least interesting enough to generate a new post for. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 05 February 2014 at 2:48pm
Back in my jocking days, we usually referred to that as a "cool" ending. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 05 February 2014 at 8:21pm
Jim, are you sure about that? My U.S. stock 45 is in "dual 45" stereo.
In Minnesota this time of year, everything ends cold. ;) |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 06 February 2014 at 7:10am
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John, I think I just got re-reminded - again - about what happens whenever I
just assume something. (Will I ever learn?) I will now go and amend my earlier post. Many thanks for catching that, my friend! :) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 March 2025 at 3:06pm
For those wondering, the UK 45 is exactly as Jim described: faded early. There are no additional edits. I also have a mono reprint/reissue 45 dubbed to my hard drive. Assuming this matches the original stock 45, it sounds to me like the mono version is folded down from the stereo. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 March 2025 at 4:11pm
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Just curious... Does anyone know if mono 45 pressings of "Oh Happy Day" were ever issued in the U.S. during the song's chart run in 1969?
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 March 2025 at 5:01pm
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Looking at Discogs, some 1969 US 45s have a catalog and label matrix number starting with "PBS" and some "PB." I'm presuming that the "S" in PBS is indicating "stereo," while the copies that only have PB are mono. At the very least, the label matrix number of the reprint (the one that is mono) only starts with "PB." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 March 2025 at 3:09pm
| It would certainly make sense that a song by a then-unknown group on a smaller independent label in 1969, which was early in the stereos-on-45 era, would have been available as a mono 45. I'm actually kinda surprised that any commercial 45 copies of "Oh Happy Day" were issued in stereo. That said, if anyone can confirm having an actual mono 45 copy, I'll make sure to update the List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1969 - List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1969 thread accordingly. |