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Topic: Top Pop Albums 1955-2016
Posted By: Paul Haney
Subject: Top Pop Albums 1955-2016
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 4:16am
The brand new edition (with the tracks back in) is now up for pre-order. Save $15 thru the end of the year. Printing in late February:
https://www.recordresearch.com/pop/top_pop_albums_1955-2016.php - https://www.recordresearch.com/pop/top_pop_albums_1955-2016. php
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 04 March 2018 at 4:27am
The brand new Top Pop Albums book is currently at the printer and should be in stock by the end of March. It was far and away the toughest book I've ever worked on in my 26 years at Record Research. It's a massive 1,600 pages and weighs nearly 8 pounds!
Joel surprised me with a special dedication at the front of the new book:
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 05 March 2018 at 10:11pm
Congratulations to a well deserving chart geek. This new book has to
be your masterpiece as I can’t fathom how challenging this book had to
be. Not only do have re-entries for albums occurring decades apart but
all those cuts! I’m looking forward to receiving my book but I need to
make some room in my bookcase! Maybe I’ll park it next to the disco
book which was also a challenging project.
So now that you have some free time, what’s your next project?
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 06 March 2018 at 5:41am
Chartman wrote:
So now that you have some free time, what’s your next project? |
"Free time"...I'm unfamiliar with that concept!
I'm actually working on two separate projects now.
The first is one of Joel's pet projects that he's been working on for the past two years. I have to do the final editing. We'll introduce it very soon.
I'm also working on the new Country Singles book. Getting the research up to date for both the Airplay and the HCS charts as we speak. Hopefully will be out later this year.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 28 March 2018 at 6:10pm
For your updated Country Singles book you may want to look at some potential updates at the spreadsheet found at:
http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/wzrmNVFp/file.html
Most of the errors seemed focus on the years when Billboard ran three concurrent charts. All occurred before you were the research guy at Record Research.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 29 March 2018 at 4:25am
Chartman wrote:
For your updated Country Singles book you may want to look at some potential updates at the spreadsheet found at:
http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/wzrmNVFp/file.html
Most of the errors seemed focus on the years when Billboard ran three concurrent charts. All occurred before you were the research guy at Record Research.
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Got it. Thanks!
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 29 March 2018 at 4:58am
Where does one download the file on that website? It wants to give me malware.
Andy
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 29 March 2018 at 5:56am
AndrewChouffi wrote:
Where does one download the file on that website? It wants to give me malware.
Andy |
I've heard that some anti-virus programs and/or browsers have troubles with that site. I've been using the site for decades and obviously it worked fine for Paul.
Try a different browser
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 07 April 2018 at 6:52am
Just received an e-mail that the "Monster" book is shipping - so I should receive it in a week.
Crunched some numbers about songs that peaked in 2017 on the C&W and R&B charts - subject to change as a few may eventually peak in 2018.
There were 198 songs that charted on both the CA (Country Airplay)and CWS (Hybrid Country Songs) charts, 39 that only appeared on the CA chart, and 65 that only appeared on the CWS chart. There were 32 #1 songs on the CA chart (Small Town Boy was #1 for 4 weeks) but only 6 songs that were #1 on the CWS charts (Body Like A Back Road for 34 weeks and Meant To Be for 18 weeks and counting). Remember when Cruise was the "biggest" C&W song of all time? Looks like the song will "only" be the third biggest in about a month when Meant To Be passes it.
There were 300 songs that peaked on the R&B charts with 242 songs also making the Hot 100 and 56 making the Pop Bubbling Under chart. Ghostbusters and Too Many Years were the only 2 songs that didn't chart on the pop charts. There were also 165 songs that peaked on the R&B Bubbling Under chart - only 2 made the Hot 100 (low positions) and 104 made the Pop Bubbling Under chart.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 08 April 2018 at 4:27am
All of the US orders have been shipped. The foreign ones will be shipped by Tuesday. Thanks again to everyone that ordered a copy.
I'm nearly done with the weekly research for the new Country Singles book. Still have lots of work on the book, but it should be out, hopefully by late summer/early fall.
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Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 09 April 2018 at 7:34am
^ Just noticed something interesting RE: Hot Country Songs.
In the latest issue of Billboard, if you compare the current Country Airplay top
10 and HCS top 10, 9 out 10 songs were the same.
For whatever reason, the disparities seem to be decreasing...
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 09 April 2018 at 12:40pm
jebsib wrote:
In the latest issue of Billboard, if you compare the
current Country Airplay top
10 and HCS top 10, 9 out 10 songs were the same.
For whatever reason, the disparities seem to be
decreasing... |
For this week's country charts, 43 songs are on both
charts, 7 on CWS only and 8 on CA only (positions 1-
50) as this chart is 10 positions deeper than CWS. 9
out of the 10 songs in positions 51-60 are not on the
CWS chart. Plus the Top 32 of each chart is on the
other except for the one Top 10 song. So indeed the
two are getting closer. Of course "Meant To Be" has
been #1 on the CWS chart for 18 weeks now but the last
three weeks on the CA chart were 7-4-3.
Of course the hard core country book buyers probably
still haven't accepted the CWS chart as "THE" country
chart. Curiously when ever Billboard mentions chart
facts they are referring to the CWS chart as the only
extension to the pre-2012 country charts. It does
bother me when they make comparisons between chart
achievements on the Hot 100 and treat the 2018 Hot 100
as the same as the 1964 Hot 100. Totally different
animals! Releasing a CD and having 5-10 or more songs
debut on the Hot 100 is a common occurrence now-a-days
but impossible in earlier days. Plus the longevity of
songs has changed dramatically. Apples to oranges.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 April 2018 at 3:37am
Re: Country charts...it's not so much that the two charts don't share songs, they do. It's where those songs end up peaking that's the main problem. For instance, just recently "Legends" by Kelsea Ballerini peaked at #1 on the Airplay chart and at #10 on HCS. That's quite a difference! That's just one example, there are many more like it. With the new book, you'll be able to see all of that at a glance. Again, we're not ignoring the HCS songs chart, just giving the Airplay chart its due. Even the American Country Countdown radio show now uses the Airplay chart, so most casual fans will be familiar with those chart stats.
"Meant To Be" by Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line is getting strong Pop airplay and is currently at #2 on the Hot 100, so it will be #1 on the HCS for a LONG time to come. Not to mention the next batch of superstar album cuts and Voice contestant songs that will continue to chart on HCS with almost ZERO radio airplay.
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Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 10 April 2018 at 7:10am
Paul, are you concerned about the current Hot 100 era where streaming allows
12 or more album cuts to enter the Big Chart in a given release week by even
mediocre Hip-Hop artists? It feels as if your point-totals are going to have to
adjust their weighing in the future:
I will give Drake his cultural due, but with only average pop radio success, it
seems alarming that within the next two years he could challenge the Beatles
at #2 in terms of your Top Pop Artist rankings.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 April 2018 at 9:08am
jebsib wrote:
Paul, are you concerned about the current Hot 100 era where streaming allows
12 or more album cuts to enter the Big Chart in a given release week by even
mediocre Hip-Hop artists? It feels as if your point-totals are going to have to
adjust their weighing in the future:
I will give Drake his cultural due, but with only average pop radio success, it
seems alarming that within the next two years he could challenge the Beatles
at #2 in terms of your Top Pop Artist rankings. |
We'll see what happens. It's certainly possible that we could adjust our point system.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 9:32am
Here are the biggest discrepancies between 2017 peak
positions on the Country Airplay (CA) and Hot Country
Songs (HCS) charts:
Songs that peaked higher on the CA chart
"Ask Me How I Know" by Garth Brooks CA = 1 HCS =
13
"Yours If You Want It" by Rascal Flatts CA = 1 HCS
= 13
"Outta Style" by Aaron Watson CA = 10 HCS = 24
"Baby, Let's Lay Down And Dance" by Garth Brooks CA =
15 HCS = 29
"California" by Big & Rich CA = 20 HCS = 32
"Missing" by William Michael Morgan CA = 29 HCS =49
"At The House" by Blake Shelton CA = 33 HCS = 49
"Til Tomorrow" by Walker McGuire CA = 35 HCS = 50
Songs that peaked higher on the HCS chart
"Speak To A Girl" by Tim McGraw & Faith Hill HCS = 6
CA = 19
"Dear Hate" by Maren Morris HCS = 18 CA = 29
"Sixteen" by Thomas Rhett HCS = 24 CA = 59
"Back To God" by Reba HCS = 25 CA = 41
"In The Blood" by John Mayer HCS = 39 CA = 57
"Better Me" by Montgomery Gentry HCS = 40 CA =60
Have no explanation as to why. Two #1 CA songs only
peaked at #13 on the HCS chart and look at the
difference for "Sixteen" - 24 vs 59.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 9:49am
jebsib wrote:
Paul, are you concerned about the
current Hot 100 era where streaming allows
12 or more album cuts to enter the Big Chart in a
given release week by even
mediocre Hip-Hop artists? It feels as if your point-
totals are going to have to
adjust their weighing in the future:
I will give Drake his cultural due, but with only
average pop radio success, it
seems alarming that within the next two years he could
challenge the Beatles
at #2 in terms of your Top Pop Artist rankings.
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Remember when making the Hot 100 was only for "hit"
records? Just look at the past couple of weeks where
Logic, XXXTentacion and The Weeknd released new
"albums" and most of the cuts made the Hot 100 only to
drop off fairly quick. These are now defined as hits!?
I thought Glee Cast had the largest number of hits.
It's only a matter of time until Apple stops offering
music downloads and concentrates on their Apple Music
Streaming service. Sales are already a dying component
of the charts - just look at the sales numbers for the
Billboard 200. Streaming is god now.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 11:51am
We live in different times now. Comparing the chart achievements of the Beatles to anything that came out in the digital era is apples to oranges. In fact, comparing chart peaks of any songs really needs to be taken with a grain of salt if they didn't chart concurrently.
The Hot 100 has only ever showed a song's relative popularity compared to other songs that were on the chart in a given week. It does not show sales numbers, nor does it show airplay figures.
For example, the #1 song on January 4, 1964 was "There! I've Said It Again" by Bobby Vinton, which stayed there for four weeks. On February 1, 1964, the Beatles hit #1 with "I Want To Hold Your Hand," which stayed at the top for seven weeks. It wouldn't surprise me if the Beatles' record outsold Bobby Vinton by 10 to 1 (or more), yet they were both #1 records. Comparing the two records' chart data alone is pretty much pointless. You would need to know the actual sales/airplay numbers to make any sort of accurate comparisons.
The same is true for today's Hot 100 chart. It's a snapshot of what's popular this week. Period.
------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop
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Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 1:42pm
Well, yes. And Record Research has done a stunning job cataloguing and
contrasting all those Apples & Oranges over the decades. And when the data
has varied dramatically, they have used shrewd intuition to make sense of the
"Potholes" (eg: adding Airplay-Only songs, weeding out Sales-Only hits,
acknowledging but not including "Glee Cast" as a point-accumulating Artist)…
I don't envy the RR staff these days. The Hot 100 is more like a weekly
dartboard than ever before!
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 1:57pm
I agree 100%! I love the Whitburn/Record Research books, and I refer to them often. But it doesn't bother me at all if an entire album's songs are all eligible to chart on the Hot 100 these days. The true "hits" will stick around toward the top of the chart for multiple weeks. The other songs are merely an indicator of what was popular for a short time in music history.
------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 3:38am
Great discussion here guys! Can you imagine if iTunes and/or streaming was around back in the day? Every cut from every Beatles album would've charted. There weren't even any singles off Sgt. Pepper or the White Album until years after they were released!
I always remind people that Billboard is the one compiling this info, we only report it. I sometimes shake my head at what makes the charts each week, but as Aaron pointed out, the changes in technology are mainly responsible. Billboard is trying to keep on top of things as best they can. I have friends that work there and I think they do a great job keeping tabs on it all.
At the end of the day, it's music. This stuff is supposed to be fun! I think people can take it too seriously at times (myself included).
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 3:56am
Chartman wrote:
Here are the biggest discrepancies between 2017 peak
positions on the Country Airplay (CA) and Hot Country
Songs (HCS) charts:
Songs that peaked higher on the CA chart
"Ask Me How I Know" by Garth Brooks CA = 1 HCS =
13
"Yours If You Want It" by Rascal Flatts CA = 1 HCS
= 13
"Outta Style" by Aaron Watson CA = 10 HCS = 24
"Baby, Let's Lay Down And Dance" by Garth Brooks CA =
15 HCS = 29
"California" by Big & Rich CA = 20 HCS = 32
"Missing" by William Michael Morgan CA = 29 HCS =49
"At The House" by Blake Shelton CA = 33 HCS = 49
"Til Tomorrow" by Walker McGuire CA = 35 HCS = 50
Songs that peaked higher on the HCS chart
"Speak To A Girl" by Tim McGraw & Faith Hill HCS = 6
CA = 19
"Dear Hate" by Maren Morris HCS = 18 CA = 29
"Sixteen" by Thomas Rhett HCS = 24 CA = 59
"Back To God" by Reba HCS = 25 CA = 41
"In The Blood" by John Mayer HCS = 39 CA = 57
"Better Me" by Montgomery Gentry HCS = 40 CA =60
Have no explanation as to why. Two #1 CA songs only
peaked at #13 on the HCS chart and look at the
difference for "Sixteen" - 24 vs 59. |
Both Garth Brooks and Rascal Flatts are older artists that just seem to do better with radio programmers than they do with streaming/downloading users.
As for "Sixteen" by Thomas Rhett, it got enough airplay as an album cut to just squeak on the Airplay chart. If it's ever released as a proper single to radio, it will climb much higher.
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 4:32am
Paul Haney wrote:
Every cut from every Beatles album
would've charted. There weren't even any singles off
Sgt. Pepper or the White Album until years after they
were released! |
Well, almost every cut. :-/
Add "Rubber Soul" to the list of Beatles albums that
contained no singles (I'm talking the American version),
though for the amount of airplay it got "Michelle" might
as well have been.
I always remind people that Billboard is the one
compiling this info, we only report it. I sometimes
shake my head at what makes the charts each week, but as
Aaron pointed out, the changes in technology are mainly
responsible. Billboard is trying to keep on top of
things as best they can. I have friends that work there
and I think they do a great job keeping tabs on it all.
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Not an enviable task! As each year goes by it gets
harder and harder to define what a "hit" song is...so
many different charts and very little crossover between
them. And that's not taking into account the "one week
charters" where there's a flurry of d/l activity after
being featured on a tv show and then nothing (cast of
Glee anyone?).
My hat is off to everyone involved for trying to make
sense out of the whole thing.
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Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 5:54am
Also, Garth Brooks refuses to be on iTunes or major streaming services. It is a
miracle that #1 CA song charted so high on HCS to begin with, having no real
online or sales presence.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 8:58am
jebsib wrote:
Also, Garth Brooks refuses to be on iTunes or major streaming services. It is a
miracle that #1 CA song charted so high on HCS to begin with, having no real
online or sales presence. |
Well, airplay IS factored into the HCS chart, so any #1 Airplay hit should at least hit the Top 10 on HCS (but obviously not always).
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 15 April 2018 at 3:08pm
Just got my book and been reading it a lot. One thing I was wondering was is there some master source where you find labels and label numbers? Billboard use to include this info on their chart but no longer. I was running through quite a few Rock albums and the label/numbers I had some differences. Sometimes I had the same number but different label, others I had the same label but different number, and yet others I had the same label but a longer number - say I had 01XXXX02 but you would show just XXXX.
This week The Weeknd had the #1 album with "My Dear Melancholy". In the write-up BB said this album was on XO/Republic Records. On the Top 200 chart the imprint was listed as XO and the label was Republic. iTunes says the album is on The Weeknd XO label, Amazon says The Weeknd is the label, Allmusic says XO Digital, Barnesandnobles.com says it on Republic 002841202. So what would Record Research use?
Thanks
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 16 April 2018 at 3:18am
Our general rule of thumb is to use the first label listed by Billboard. This is for space considerations more than anything, as showing multiple labels can get quite long. As for the numbers, we generally go by what Billboard shows on their charts on the Billboard Plus (formerly Billboard Information Network) site. Sometimes they list no number at all, then I have to go hunting for the number elsewhere. Like the labels, the numbers can get quite long and don't always fit in with the general numbering system of the label, so I have to use my best judgement on those. Not like the old days when the label & number system was more logical and streamlined!
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Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 19 April 2018 at 10:35am
The book is superb.
Can't believe the last edition was so long ago.
No Top Pop Singles this year, I gather…? :-)
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 19 April 2018 at 1:21pm
jebsib wrote:
The book is superb.
Can't believe the last edition was so long ago.
No Top Pop Singles this year, I gather…? :-) |
The earliest time frame for the next Top Pop Singles is next year (2019). Too far out to know for sure.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 19 April 2018 at 1:30pm
Chartman wrote:
For your updated Country Singles book you may want to look at some potential updates at the spreadsheet found at:
http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/wzrmNVFp/file.html
Most of the errors seemed focus on the years when Billboard ran three concurrent charts. All occurred before you were the research guy at Record Research.
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Chartman, I went thru all of your corrections today. However, there were a couple of things that weren't errors:
Cryin', Prayin', Waitin', Hopin' by Hank Snow did peak at #10 on the DJ chart on 8/6/55.
This Is My Year For Mexico by Crystal Gayle did peak at #21 on the chart dated 9/27/75.
Also, there are a few things that are a matter of judgement:
Don't Be Cruel / Hound Dog by Elvis Presley. Joel decided to combine the chart stats on this one.
Pistol Packin' Mama by the other 3 artists. Those other artists are crossed off our pasted-up charts. Looks like Joel decided not to list them in the book.
Yes, I Know Why by Webb Pierce. Billboard showed a tie for one week at #1 with Heartbreak Hotel. However, the next week's chart shows a "last week" position of #2. Thus, we concluded that the previous week's chart was a typo and the #2 peak stands.
Thanks again for the rest of the corrections for the new edition.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 19 April 2018 at 4:29pm
Thanks for the corrections to my corrections! I fixed my Hank Snow and Crystal Gayle data.
For Webb Pierce - not sure it was a typo. There are many instances where "last week" positions were typos around this time and ties were not uncommon on this chart. Plus the fact that it was #1 - kind of a big typo to make! Gotta believe that might have caught someone's eye. I generally go with the printed chart (unless it was retracted later) and lean towards the "last week" being the typo, but this one is subject to some interpretation.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 April 2018 at 2:47am
Chartman wrote:
Thanks for the corrections to my corrections! I fixed my Hank Snow and Crystal Gayle data.
For Webb Pierce - not sure it was a typo. There are many instances where "last week" positions were typos around this time and ties were not uncommon on this chart. Plus the fact that it was #1 - kind of a big typo to make! Gotta believe that might have caught someone's eye. I generally go with the printed chart (unless it was retracted later) and lean towards the "last week" being the typo, but this one is subject to some interpretation. |
I forgot to mention that on our pasted-up chart, someone crossed off the printed 1 and wrote 2 in. So, that decision was made a long time ago. In addition, I did flip through the DJ charts and it appears that ties at #1 were not very common at all. For one that I noticed, the "last week" column on the next week's chart showed 1 for both songs.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 20 April 2018 at 2:10pm
Have a favor to ask. There is one and only one C&W chart I do not
have - the April 7, 1951 Disk Jockey chart. The April 14, 1951 chart has
9 of the 10 positions listed as last week’s position (assuming they are
correct) but is missing position #9. I filled in this space with my best
guess but am not 100% sure.
Do you know which song is listed at #9 on the 4/7/51 DJ chart?
Thanks
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 21 April 2018 at 4:30am
Chartman wrote:
Do you know which song is listed at #9 on the 4/7/51 DJ chart?
Thanks |
Beautiful Brown Eyes - Jimmy Wakely with Les Baxter Chorus
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 21 April 2018 at 6:03am
That was my guess! Thanks for checking.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 28 April 2018 at 8:24am
Between 3/3/51 and 6/7/52 all three Billboard Country charts at the bottom had 3 additional songs titled "Coming Up". Like an extension of the Top 10 (i.e. positions 11-13) - maybe you should think about including those in your new book. Noticed that in your Pop Hits 1940-1954 the same thing occurred in the mid 40's for the DJ and JB pop charts and you just considered them an extension of the primary chart.
I'll look at these and see if anything interesting pops up. I have them all except for that 4/7/51 DJ chart. I'm not even sure that chart was published. Couldn't find it in the most reliable sources (i.e. NY and London libraries, and American Radio History website).
Billboard also listed "Coming Up" for the R&B charts but only for 4 weeks in April/May 1952.
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Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 28 April 2018 at 11:54pm
For what it's worth, the 4/7/51 Billboard is on google books. With a
quick skim, I don't see a CW DJ chart.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 29 April 2018 at 8:32am
JL328 wrote:
For what it's worth, the 4/7/51 Billboard is on google books. With a
quick skim, I don't see a CW DJ chart. |
I've seen copies of the actual magazine at my sources - It's just this particular chart that I've never seen :( It's not on the source you quoted although there are some pages that are half-there which it may be on.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 29 April 2018 at 8:38am
For the "coming up" portion of the C&W charts 3/3/51 to 6/7/52:
There were 69 songs that did not appear on the Top 10 C&W charts - 6 of which appeared on the BB Pop charts and 3 which appeared on the Cash Box C&W JB charts, which were also only 10 positions deep.
There were 87 songs which did make the Top 10 - sometimes before, sometimes after, and sometimes before and after their Top 10 chart run. Similar to early bubbling under charts. There were a few weeks where the coming up songs were not shown on a particular chart and not always 3 deep but never more than 3. Of these 87, there were 26 that made the Top 10 of a different chart - i.e. the song made the Top 10 on the DJ chart but was shown as a coming up on the BS chart.
I can put a spreadsheet on zippyshare if you're interested.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 29 April 2018 at 11:24am
Chartman wrote:
For the "coming up" portion of the C&W charts 3/3/51 to 6/7/52:
There were 69 songs that did not appear on the Top 10 C&W charts - 6 of which appeared on the BB Pop charts and 3 which appeared on the Cash Box C&W JB charts, which were also only 10 positions deep.
There were 87 songs which did make the Top 10 - sometimes before, sometimes after, and sometimes before and after their Top 10 chart run. Similar to early bubbling under charts. There were a few weeks where the coming up songs were not shown on a particular chart and not always 3 deep but never more than 3. Of these 87, there were 26 that made the Top 10 of a different chart - i.e. the song made the Top 10 on the DJ chart but was shown as a coming up on the BS chart.
I can put a spreadsheet on zippyshare if you're interested. |
Would like to see that, for sure!
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 29 April 2018 at 5:41pm
Hey Paul - your wish is my command!
https://www110.zippyshare.com/v/1skCXV6T/file.html
PS I offer a 100% money back guarantee
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 30 April 2018 at 5:04am
Thanks for the info, Chartman. Doubt if there's time to get it in this edition as I have lots of other info to enter (Pop positions, songwriters, etc.). Did you know that Billboard also had a Country Bubbling Under chart for awhile circa late 70s, early 80s?
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 30 April 2018 at 9:52am
Paul Haney wrote:
Did you know that Billboard also
had a Country Bubbling Under chart for awhile circa
late 70s, early 80s? |
Didn't know this so I went a searching! Checked 30
issues between October, 1977 to October, 1982 (pretty
much every other month) and didn't see this chart
anywhere. Either I'm blind or this chart was only
available for a couple of weeks. Do you have specific
dates for this chart?
For the 4/7/51 DJ chart - do you just have a pasted-up
chart or do you have the original chart? I don't have
the "coming up" info for this chart and there is no
way to guestimate it.
Thanks
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 30 April 2018 at 10:17am
When I refer to a "pasted-up chart" I mean that we cut out the actual charts from the magazine(s) and literally pasted them into a sketch book to make for easier researching. That said, our 4/7/51 DJ chart was hand created by whoever was doing the pasting at the time from the "last week" positions on the 4/14/51 chart. I believe there was no actual chart published for that particular week.
After checking my notes, it appears that the Country "Bubbling Under" chart (as it were) started in the 9/6/80 issue on page 31. It was actually part of Sharon Allen's "Chart Fax" column and not a stand-alone chart. It only showed 5 positions and wasn't published every week. I'm not sure when it ended. I can see why we never really bothered with it, as it isn't a "proper" chart, but I thought you might be interested.
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 30 April 2018 at 10:17am
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 30 April 2018 at 1:31pm
Paul Haney wrote:
After checking my notes, it appears
that the Country "Bubbling Under" chart (as it were)
started in the 9/6/80 issue on page 31. It was actually
part of Sharon Allen's "Chart Fax" column and not a
stand-alone chart. It only showed 5 positions and
wasn't published every week. I'm not sure when it
ended. I can see why we never really bothered with it,
as it isn't a "proper" chart, but I thought you might be
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"Chart" ended on 5/31/81. Robyn Wells took over the
duties earlier that year.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 10:31am
I checked the "Chart Fax" bubbling under list and came
up with this:
118 total songs listed with 93 eventually making the
Top 100
Of the 25 remaining songs there were 3 that I'm not
sure existed:
"I Only Want To Be With You" by Lynn Bailey on F&L
"I'm Gonna Let Go" by Jackie Pope on Hitbound
"Real Cowboys Never Cry" by Jerry Graham on Arena
Haven't found anything on them yet but I'll keep
looking.
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 10:00am
Here the Bubbling Under chart info:
https://www26.zippyshare.com/v/nQlSGqTY/file.html
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Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 20 May 2018 at 8:25am
Chartman wrote:
Here are the biggest discrepancies between 2017 peak
positions on the Country Airplay (CA) and Hot Country
Songs (HCS) charts:
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In a similar vain - I treated the R&B/Hip-Hop charts the same as the C&W charts since 10/20/12 - The Airplay chart was considered a continuation of the old R&B chart but the new R&B chart was considered a "hybrid" chart. For songs that peaked on these charts 2013-2017 here are some facts:
1508 Total songs
515 made both charts
727 were only on the Hybrid chart (301 for 1 week, 119 for 2 weeks)
266 were only on the Airplay chart (24 for 1 week, 9 for 2 weeks)
Artists with the most songs that were only on the Hybrid chart:
Drake - 69 songs
Future - 36 songs
The Weeknd - 25 songs
Kendrick Lamar - 24 songs
Meek Mill - 24 songs
Artists with the most songs that were only on the Airplay chart:
R. Kelly - 6 songs
Charlie Wilson - 5 songs
After 7, Eric Benet, Mary J. Blige, Johnny Gill, Joe, Sam Smith & Jazmine Sullivan - 4 songs
Highest peaking songs on the Hybrid chart which didn't make the Airplay chart:
"Black Widow" by Iggy Azalea - #1
"23" by Mike WiLL Made-It, "Bad Things" by Machine Gun Kelly, "Berzerk" by Eminem, "Me, Myself & I" by G-Eazy, "Rap God" by Eminem, "Talk Dirty" by Jason Derulo and "Wiggle" by Jason Derulo - all were #2
Highest peaking songs on the Airplay chart which didn't make the Hybrid chart:
"Royals" by Lorde - #3
"Latch" by Sam Smith and "Uptown Funk!" by Mark Ronson - both #5
"Hello" by Adele, "Spend It" by Dae Dae and "Stay With Me" by Sam Smith - all were #10
#1 songs on the Hybrid chart which didn't do so well on the Airplay chart:
"Can't Feel My Face" by The Weeknd - #46 on Airplay
"Can't Hold Us" by Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - #45 on Airplay
"FourFiveSeconds" by Rihanna - #36 on Airplay
"Anaconda" by Nicki Minaj - #22 on Airplay
"The Monster" by Eminem - #22 on Airplay
#1 songs on the Airplay chart which didn't do so well on the Hybrid chart:
"Good Kisser" by Usher - #17 on Hybrid
"Both" by Gucci Mane - #16 on Hybrid
and
"How About Now" by Drake - #6 on Airplay but only #50 on Hybrid
These discrepancies are actually much worse than those on the C&W chart. One could make the argument that the R&B charts should use Airplay chart as the main chart since 2012 - just like the C&W charts. The current R&B/Airplay chart is merely a reflection of crossover potential and what Billboard considers to be "R&B/Hip-Hop" artists but not much correlation to what R&B/Hip-Hop radio stations are playing, although the R&B/Hip-Hop audience are big on streaming. Quite a few generalizations in there!
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