Hard To Find 45s On CD, Vol . 18
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Topic: Hard To Find 45s On CD, Vol . 18
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Subject: Hard To Find 45s On CD, Vol . 18
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 5:38pm
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Hard To Find 45s On CD, Vol . 18: 70s Essentials
Coming in October from Eric Records: 1. Venus – Shocking Blue (DES Stereo) 2. Fox On The Run – Sweet 3. Hocus Pocus – Focus 4. The Boys Are Back In Town – Thin Lizzy (correct 45 edit) 5. Tubular Bells – Mike Oldfield (correct 45 edit) 6. My Melody Of Love – Bobby Vinton (rare on CD) 7. Paloma Blanca – George Baker Selection (rare on CD) 8. The Night Chicago Died – Paper Lace 9. Tired Of Toein’ The Line – Rocky Burnette 10. Gypsy Woman – Brian Hyland (DES Stereo) 11. Good Morning Starshine – Oliver 12. Words – F.R. David 13. I’ve Never Been To Me – Charlene 14. Sometimes When We Touch – Dan Hill 15. Daddy Don’t You Walk So Fast – Wayne Newton (rare on CD) 16. Daisy A Day – Jud Strunk (rare on CD) 17. Feels So Good – Chuck Mangione 18. Eighteen With A Bullet – Pete Wingfield 19. She’s A Bad Mama Jama (She's Built, She's Stacked) – Carl Carlton 20. Born To Be Alive – Patrick Hernandez 21. Music – John Miles (U.S. CD debut) You can pre-order as well as hear sound samples at http://www.ericrecords.com - http://www.ericrecords.com . Street release date is October 27, but order direct now for early delivery. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 6:06pm
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Some pretty cool tunes on this disc. Even though it is mostly 70s tracks there is a cool 80s low charter on here ("Words" by F.R. David), a couple of brand new stereo cuts, a couple of rare 45 edits plus the U.S. CD debut of "Music" by John Miles (a low charter that should have fared better on the U.S. singles charts back in 1976). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 11:10pm
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And, the Carl Carlton song is from 1981. I can simply
omit the Charlene track. ------------- |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 16 September 2017 at 6:11pm
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Does the Charlene song have the spoken part over the
bridge? The original Prodigal release from 1977 did not, but stock copies of the 1982 reissue did (promos had the spoken part on one side, without it on the other). |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 16 September 2017 at 8:24pm
| Mark can confirm, but IIRC, he told me it has the spoken word part. I wish the non-spoken bridge would appear on one CD, and this would have been the opportunity, but I'm sure there was pressure to use the more common version heard on the radio. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 17 September 2017 at 5:47am
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Thanks Mark, for all the info you've shared with us here!
Can I assume that this version of "Tubular Bells" is the excellent version that Aaron painstakingly put together a few years ago, or was the single source tape located? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 July 2018 at 8:12pm
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Well, I dug through the tracks in Vol. 18. The good news: everything sounds great, pretty much flawless on every track on the disc. I was hoping to trace out some nice mastering history, but it's not as cut-and-dry as on previous volumes. I found only one digital clone. All track have great dynamic range, nice EQ (some are almost boomy compared to older discs), and no trace of noise reduction anywhere. Here are my notes:
VENUS - Shocking Blue (1969) Holy smoke! This sounds impossibly fantastic in DES stereo! Even folded down to mono, this sounds far better than any other CD version out there. FOX ON THE RUN - Sweet (1975) EQ a little boomy. The EQ on this song never quite sounds right, much like Dead Or Alive's "You Spin Me Round". HOCUS POCUS - Focus (1973) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 23 THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN - Thin Lizzy (1976) True 45 edit. Rock on! TUBULAR BELLS - Mike Oldfield (1974) True 45 edit. Sounds significantly better than the version I have from Qobuz (no background hum, etc.) MY MELODY OF LOVE - Bobby Vinton (1974) sounds better than earlier masterings; lower-generation source tape? PALOMA BLANCA - George Baker Selection (1975) likely uses the same analog transfer as Varese's Lost 45s Of The '70s And '80s Vol. 2 THE NIGHT CHICAGO DIED - Paper Lace (1974) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 13 but with L/R channels reversed (was the Rhino disc in error?) TIRED OF TOEIN' THE LINE - Rocky Burnette (1980) sound quality comparable to Rhino's Radio Daze Vol. 3, faded to 45 length; other CDs are all over the map with sound quality GYPSY WOMAN - Brian Hyland (1970) DES stereo. All the other versions I have are in mono. GOOD MORNING STARSHINE - Oliver (1969) sounds a wee bit better than JCI's Mellow Sixties WORDS - F.R. David (1983) extends longer than other CDs I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ME - Charlene (1982) much fuller EQ than earlier discs SOMETIMES WHEN WE TOUCH - Dan Hill (1977) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 21 DADDY DON'T YOU WALK SO FAST - Wayne Newton (1972) from vinyl (I think), but better transfer than Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 16, and fade extends longer DAISY A DAY - Jud Strunk (1973) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 11 FEELS SO GOOD - Chuck Mangione (1978) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 24, but sped up by 1.4% and faded early EIGHTEEN WITH A BULLET - Pete Wingfield (1975) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 15 but with L/R channels swapped and intro fixed SHE'S A BAD MAMA JAMA (SHE'S BUILT SHE'S STACKED) - Carl Carlton (1981) differently-EQ digital clone of Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 29 Make It Funky (2001) BORN TO BE ALIVE - Patrick Hernandez (1979) sound quality comparable to Rhino's Billboard Top Dance Hits 1979 (1992) MUSIC - John Miles (1976) I don't have anything else to compare this with. Quite a rare track indeed. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 04 July 2018 at 8:30pm
Thanks for the details! |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 07 July 2018 at 4:28pm
| I think the vocals are a little too low on "Venus". That is the only complaint I have so far for all the DES tracks on this disc and all earlier Eric DES efforts. I really enjoy the hard and tedious work this group has done |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 07 July 2018 at 5:54pm
C J, Mark was kind enough to send me an evaluation preview of that track, and that was my observation as well. He said that there wasn't any way to bring the vocals more forward in the mix with the current level of DES technology. Hopefully, that'll be possible to do in the not-too-distant future. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 3:56pm
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Thank you for the great review Ron!
I agree with the above comments about "Venus"... the 6 people who auditioned it before release never picked up the vocal issues and I didn't notice it until I got feedback after release. :-( A few answers: [QUOTE=crapfromthepast] Well, I dug through the tracks in Vol. 18. The good news: everything sounds great, pretty much flawless on every track on the disc. I was hoping to trace out some nice mastering history, but it's not as cut-and-dry as on previous volumes. I found only one digital clone. All track have great dynamic range, nice EQ (some are almost boomy compared to older discs), and no trace of noise reduction anywhere. Here are my notes: FOX ON THE RUN - Sweet (1975) EQ a little boomy. The EQ on this song never quite sounds right, much like Dead Or Alive's "You Spin Me Round". ---agreed this was mastered too "smiley face" .. TUBULAR BELLS - Mike Oldfield (1974) True 45 edit. Sounds significantly better than the version I have from Qobuz (no background hum, etc.) ---yeah the UMG master has all that noise so we used Aaron's perfect re-creation on our set. Thank you Aaron! MY MELODY OF LOVE - Bobby Vinton (1974) sounds better than earlier masterings; lower-generation source tape? ...YES! THE NIGHT CHICAGO DIED - Paper Lace (1974) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 13 but with L/R channels reversed (was the Rhino disc in error?) ---YES! I checked all the L/R channels against the 45s. TIRED OF TOEIN' THE LINE - Rocky Burnette (1980) sound quality comparable to Rhino's Radio Daze Vol. 3, faded to 45 length; other CDs are all over the map with sound quality ....came from the fine single master. :-) DADDY DON'T YOU WALK SO FAST - Wayne Newton (1972) from vinyl (I think), but better transfer than Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 16, and fade extends longer ...NO vinyl here..master tape, also faded to match the 45. FEELS SO GOOD - Chuck Mangione (1978) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 24, but sped up by 1.4% and faded early ...yeah the digital file UMG gives out matches the Rhino CD so we pitched and faded to match the 45. EIGHTEEN WITH A BULLET - Pete Wingfield (1975) likely uses the same analog transfer as Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 15 but with L/R channels swapped and intro fixed .....the digital file UMG gives out matches the Island Story. But with your help and feedback Ron, we decided to use the Rhino transfer, we fixed the intro, and Eq'd and pitched to match the single which was very crisp. BORN TO BE ALIVE - Patrick Hernandez (1979) sound quality comparable to Rhino's Billboard Top Dance Hits 1979 (1992) ...yes I used that as my source because the overseas rights owners do not have the US single master, Sony does. .....Ron, next time we do any 70s or 80s I will consult you and Brian again anytime I am "outvoted" or I am unsure on EQ! I did that for the last 80s CDs and those turned out great! Thank you again MM |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 4:24pm
| Mark and Everyone. I really enjoy all of the additional comments regarding versions, mixes, EQ, pitch and other details about the Eric tracks. Thanks to everyone. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 4:45pm
| Love the final result of Aaron's "Tubular Bells" and Ron should ALWAYS be consulted when putting these CDs together! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 6:43pm
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Thanks, Paul! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 8:12pm
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Thanks, everyone!
And thanks, Mark, for peeling back the curtain a bit for Eric's fine collection. I'm sure all of us appreciate the minutia on how you put it together. Now off to Vol. 19! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 13 July 2018 at 5:13pm
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The DES of "Venus" on this collection is amazingly fine.
Worth buying the CD for alone! ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 14 July 2018 at 3:16pm
| Speaking of Hard To Find Hits I wonder if the stereo "A Young Girl" by Noel Harrison will ever surface. The mono has surfaced once or twice that I know of. I have also been requesting " The Pied Piper" by the Changing Times and "Lullaby Of Love" by the Poppies. I have never got an answer about stereo Noel Harrison. I have been told that The Pied Piper was not a big enough hit. The song went top 10 in at least 5 major Southwest cities including LA KHJ. Seen chart action all across the country fall of 1965. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 18 July 2018 at 4:59am
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I have “A Young Girl” in stereo on a 1997 Canadian Polytel CD “The
One And Only 60's Album”. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 18 July 2018 at 4:30pm
| A legit release - thanks David Clark |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 28 July 2020 at 10:07pm
Ugh! I can't find my copy of this disc. It got buried in our recent move. I was wanting to see if this version had the background clicks, (2 or 3 of them), in the near end of the song. I have heard a number of different CDs that seem to have the same clicks. I used to think it was a metronome or a vinyl pop sound. But, I suppose it could be anything. Even someone making a chair pop during the recording. I tried looking around on the forum but, didn't see anything mentioned. I am also wanting to see if it has the single version of "Feels So Good" by Chuck Mangione. After listening mainly to the full album version, the '45 is sort of hard to stomach. "D" is for Dave. "Hey you" works too. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 29 July 2020 at 12:52am
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Hi Dave/Hey You,
I assume you are asking about "Venus" .... Since I worked on this CD and the the mix, I can help you out. I hear exactly what you mean in the ending segment of the song. They are not "clicks" they way most people think of them, as you say they sound like a background noise accidentally captured by one of the mics during recording - like drum sticks dropping or the sound of a chair moving (this is a common issue with studio recording engineers, especially with drummers who move a lot while playing...the mics can pick up their movements in a noisy chair). Anyway, we consulted and decided to leave the sound in the mix because it is part of the mono master. And, taking that sound out might have damaged the sound quality of the audio - so our answer was: leave it alone. RE: Feels So Good - yes our CD has the correct 45 version with correct speed and fade. Hope this info helps. -Mark M |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 29 July 2020 at 4:42pm
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Thanks Mark!
Yes, "Venus" was her name, Wahhh! Wasn't that band of Dutch origins? I'm trying hard to remember. (I'm also thinking Candy Dulfer and Average White Band.) I feel better now knowing that when I do find that disc, I will hear the familiar clicks. (Even though I wish they weren't there.) As for the Chuck Mangione song, I think I will have to dig out the LP or see if I have it on a GoldDisc for that long album version. <Dave> |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 29 July 2020 at 11:57pm
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Dave,
Yes the Shocking Blue are Dutch. The song was written by band member Robbie Van Leeuwen. Mariska Veres was the lead singer and she didn't speak a word of English ... you can hear her singing the English phonetically so some words are a little "off" .... Sadly we lost Mariska in 2006. When I was a kid and played this 45 to death, I thought it was a guy singing because her voice was so low and rough sounding. When I was 16 I acquired the Colossus album and when I saw her picture I almost fainted...she was gorgeous! But of course I was disappointed that the title cut was in mono. I've wanted that song in stereo all my life. To finally achieve a mix I liked, it took 4 engineers working together to create the stereo mix on our CD. It was a dream come true. And bless you Mariska, wherever you are now :-) BTW, Robbie based most of the backing music on this 1963 folk song by The Big Three (an early folk group that Cass Elliot was in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodQbGZs64o You will hear "shocking" similarities between this and the basic chords of "Venus"....right down to the "WOW" scream. Enjoy MM |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 30 July 2020 at 1:06pm
I really love their song "Never Marry A Railroad Man". Its a shame that they didn't achieve another big hit here in the US. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 26 January 2022 at 10:23pm
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I have a question regarding "Words" by F.R. David on this
CD. What is the source for this track? I think that I hear a few pops/clicks in this track, but maybe those are on the master. Also, the version on this CD sounds slightly different than the versions of the song that I have on an import F.R. compilation, "Référence 80": https://www.discogs.com/release/ 3027532-FR-David-Référence-80 I assume that the version of "Words" on "Hard to Find 45s - Vol. 18" is naturally the U.S. 45 version, which actually came out about a year later than in Europe. Is it a slightly different mix, EQ, or does it just run at a different speed? To me, the version on this CD sounds like it runs faster. However, my ears are having trouble telling the difference. Thank you. ------------- Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 27 January 2022 at 10:54pm
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The version of "Words" on Hard To Find 45s vol. 18 is the original international hit version as released in 1982 on the Words album and as a single.
Well, almost. It is running 0.15% faster than previous digital releases, and if the copy I found (just to check this for you) is legit, then for some reason, the last 7 seconds have been replaced with a lossy-source copy with dither added! The two versions on Référence 80 are not quite what was released in 1982. Those are previously unreleased versions which debuted on that compilation in 2011 and are also on the 2020 Words & Melodies 5-CD set. Comparing the Words & Melodies masterings with the https://www.discogs.com/release/1091575-FR-David-Words - circa 1990 German CD of the Words album ... The 1982 released version on the c. 1990 CD is 123.7 BPM and runs 3:26, with the fade beginning at 3:15. On the Words & Melodies remaster, the fade goes for another ¼-second, and it's phase-inverted and louder, to the point of introducing a few moments of minor clipping. The "Original Full Mix" runs 3:37.8, and doesn't fade out as early, so you hear about 11 more seconds of music at the very end. Despite running at tempo 0.35% faster than the hit version (124.0 BPM), the pitch of everything in it is 2.85% (half a semitone) lower! This is total speculation, but I am guessing they were using an Eventide Harmonizer to mess with the pitch, and they were maybe also playing with the tempo of the synth & drum sequencer. Similar shenanigans are at play in the "Original Speed Mix", which runs 3:42.9, and is the structurally the same as the Original Full Mix, including the fade. Its tempo (121.1 BPM) is about 2.48% slower than that mix, though, and yet, it's at the exact same pitch! So you can't really make the hit version from those two "original" mixes. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 January 2022 at 8:39am
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For "Words", it seems that Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 18 (2018) uses the same analog transfer as a European 8-CD box on Disky called Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2002), but sped up by 0.4% and with the ending replaced by one with a longer fade.
https://www.discogs.com/release/12337188-Various-Greatest-Hits-Of-The-80s - This is the listing on Discogs for that Disky set. Disky is a reputable Dutch label, which put out a bunch of very good 8-CD sets that (unfortunately) all have similar titles. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 29 January 2022 at 11:07am
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Wow. Thank you both for the wealth of information! That
explains why I am hearing such differences. ------------- Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA |
Posted By: whyaduck
Date Posted: 02 February 2022 at 3:30pm
| thanks |