Benny Mardones - Into The Night
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Topic: Benny Mardones - Into The Night
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Subject: Benny Mardones - Into The Night
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 7:57pm
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In college, we used to joke the by the end of "Into The Night", Benny's vocals deteriorate into just screaming. Still, the song endures; it's still a favorite on Delilah's radio show.
"Into The Night" was one of a handful of songs revived between 1987 and 1989, along with "What About Me", "Send Me An Angel", "When I'm With You", "Red Red Wine", "Valerie", "At This Moment", "Where Are You Now", "In Your Eyes", and others. It was the original 1980 recording of "Into The Night" that was a hit again in 1989. Non-hit 1989 rerecording Curb Records, always willing to seize an opportunity, had Benny rerecord "Into The Night" along with some new stuff, and put out the Benny Mardones album in 1989. The difference between the original and the Curb remake is not subtle. The 1989 version has the late '80s big drum sounds, and virtually drowns is late '80s electronic reverb. This remake was not a hit, and appears only on Curb discs, plus Razor & Tie's Easy Rock (2001). All other discs include the hit version, recorded in 1980, charting in 1980, and charting again in 1989, all on Polydor. 1980 album and commercial 45 version The hit version first appeared on the single-artist Benny Mardones CD issue of his Never Run Never Hide album, on Polydor. I don't have this disc myself, but it's generally considered to have pretty good sound. It runs 4:29 here. My hunch is that EMI's collection Retro Lunchbox Gooey Love Songs (1997) is sourced from Never Run Never Hide - it sounds quite good. Rhino did a new analog transfer for Radio Daze Vol. 3 (1995), where it runs two seconds longer at 4:31. Sound quality is about the same as Never Run Never Hide, but this one gets my vote because of the longer running time. The same analog transfer is used for:
swaitek's 50-CD A List Disc 3 (1994) has noise reduction, and may be sourced from vinyl - avoid. 1980 (?) promo 45 version The promo 45 starts with an edit of the album version that cuts out the second repetition of the intro by editing out 0:09 to 0:24 (cymbal hit to cymbal hit). At the end of the song, the promo 45 cuts out Benny's screaming, and loops a few measures of just background singers singing "Fly, to the night" to form the last 12 seconds of the promo 45. The promo 45 runs 3:45. I assume that this promo 45 came out in 1980? Can anyone confirm? Was there a 1989 promo 45 or promo CD single? The following paragraph is incorrect, but I'm leaving it in so that subsequent posts make sense. 1980 (and 1989?) commercial 45 I'm a little hampered by not having the vinyl for this track. I have a file from Aaron for this track. The 45 is an edit of the album version that cuts out the second repetition of the intro by editing out 0:09 to 0:24 (cymbal hit to cymbal hit). That would put the 45 length at about 4:15. Can anyone confirm? Is this true for both the 1980 Polydor and 1989 Polydor 45s? (Was there even a 1989 Polydor 45? I may be confusing this with the "Unchained Melody" Verve/Curb 45 debacle. * Red text above is corrected, based on subsequent posts. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 10:13pm
Ron, this is totally a goof up by me on that file. The 45, as far as I know, is the same as the full LP version. I was using it to create the promo edit, which is correct, and somehow my original file was mistakenly saved after I made the first edit. I didn't notice this until a couple years later. The only edited version is what appears on the promo 45. Sorry for the confusion! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 5:06am
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There was a 1989 Polydor 45. The Curb re-recording also
appeared on a 45. |
Posted By: MCT1
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 7:50am
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Confirming what cmmmbase posted, there is a 1989 Polydor 45. The 1980 original has the catalog number 2091 and lists a time of 4:29 on the label. The 1989 re-release has the catalog number 889 368-7 and lists a time of 4:30 on the label.
The 1989 Polydor 45 is a regular 45, not part of the oldies/reissue "Timepieces" series. I am assuming it was also released as a cassette single, as one would have expected any regular single release from that time period to be. If it hadn't been, given the rapidly declining sales of 45s in that era, I don't see how it could have gotten as high on the chart as it did (#20 Hot 100, #17 in Sales). My Joel Whitburn Hot 100 book (of late '90s vintage) states that the re-recording was released as a single on Curb 10549. I assume the Curb version came out on cassette single. It may have also been available on 45, but if a Curb 45 exists, it's pretty obscure; I've never seen one. In the case of "Unchained Melody", the 45 that was commercially available from Polydor was a Timepieces series reissue. I believe this happened to already be in the catalog as an oldies reissue, and wasn't released specifically to capitalize on the song's use in the movie "Ghost". For some reason Polydor did not want to officially re-release "Unchained Melody" as a regular single (presumably to force people to go out and buy a Righteous Brothers compliation album?), and the Timepieces release was only available on 45, not cassette. Since most Top 40 listeners in 1990 were buying singles on cassette, this created an opening for the Curb version, which was available in that format. This resulted in a situation where most of the airplay was the original version, but most of the sales was the Curb re-recording. Taken together, the song was probably a top five hit, but because the sales and airplay were split across two distinct releases, both peaked outside the top ten. (Billboard, which at the time required a single to be commercially available to chart on the Hot 100, allowed the original to chart based on the existence of the Timepieces 45, even though it was only available in a format that was of little to no interest to most Top 40 consumers in 1990. At some point after this, apparently without making any kind of formal announcement, Billboard decided that availability only as a vinyl 45 was no longer sufficient to count as "commercially available" for purposes of the Hot 100.) & nbsp; |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 8:11am
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My apologies, all.
Went back and edited my original post to indicate that the 45s are the same as the LP. Corrections are in red. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 9:25am
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MCT1 - I do have the Curb 45, so I can confirm the
existence of it (picked it up about a year ago). |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 1:16pm
| The promo 45 edit is my go to version of this song. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 1:34pm
I've always been fascinated by this era and why so many songs came back. Does anybody know why DJs were so enthusiastic about reviving old hits around this period? I can understand something once in a while coming back, maybe from a movie soundtrack or greatest hits album being released, etc., but to have so many at the same time...it seems every week I was opening up Billboard and another golden oldie was re-entering the Hot 100. I don't think there's ever been another period with so many old songs re-entering. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 1:42pm
You're right, MCT1. Vinyl 45s were still considered "commercial" singles all through 1990. The rule change happened sometime before "I'll Be There for You" by the Rembrandts charted, but there was no note in Billboard. A friend of mine who owns a record store in upstate NY stated that the head of the label that released "I'll Be There for You" didn't want it out on a 45 because then it would chart, and rather lowly since there was no cassette single. He was alerted that 45s no longer counted, so if he released one it wouldn't chart. He checked it out with Billboard and a few weeks later there was a 45 of the song. The song eventually did chart when the follow-up was released and had "I'll Be There for You" on the B-side. It was still receiving significant airplay at the time. Billboard also changed another Hot 100 rule in late 1991 without announcing it. Remember when they started going by Soundscan in Nov '91? Originally there was a 20-20 rule (20 weeks on and below position No. 20 and the song would be removed). After about a month, it was switched to a 20-40 rule (anything below the top 40 was removed). Those changes were announced. About a month after that, it became the 20-50 rule we still have today, but there was no announcement for that either. I wondered why songs with over 20 weeks were still listed but they'd fallen into the 40s on the chart. Eventually in Michael Ellis' column that rule was mentioned. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 1:59pm
As far as I know, this period is indeed unique for reviving past hits and non-hits. The idea of digging up a unjustly-forgotten gem wasn't new at the time. I think it was Scott Shannon (pre-Z100) that revived Charlene's "I've Never Been To Be" in 1981, years after it flopped in 1976 or 1977. As I recall, the one song that opened the floodgates was "At This Moment", which didn't do much on its first release in 1981. It was used on a TV episode of Family Ties in 1985. The folks at Rhino Records realized that there was literally no way to buy the song at the time, because Alfa Records went belly-up in the US in 1982. So they rereleased Billy Vera's By Request album and put out a 45 of "At This Moment", which hit #1 in early 1987. It became Rhino's first and only hit single. I think individual DJs were responsible for "When I'm With You" and "Red Red Wine" (Scott Shannon again?) The remixed "Valerie" was a hit because Island Records needed a single to promote the Chronicles greatest hits album. "In Your Eyes" was from the soundtrack of Say Anything - that's the song playing on John Cusack's iconic overhead boom box. "Send Me An Angel" was Curb Records cashing in; Curb also put out the first Real Life record in 1984, and I don't know why they chose to rerecord. As for "Where Are You Now", "What About Me", and "Into The Night", I have no idea who brought them back, but it was definitely a trendy thing to do for a while. I forgot about Modern English rerecording "I Melt With You" in 1990. Bleh. I seem to also remember "The Felony" by Fanatic making a second go-round around that time. And "One Simple Thing" by the Stabilizers got significant airplay in Minneapolis in 1991, four years after it wasn't a hit in 1987. Still don't know why. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 7:46pm
| "Slow...slow...quick, quick...slow..." |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 7:52pm
Other way around, of course. "The Fanatic" was pretty big in SoCal in '83 (where I lived at the time). Most folks don't realize that Felony went on to record & release additional material on indie labels through the '80s & early '90s, which are hard to find today. Have them all on cassette - pretty good stuff, actually... |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 8:37pm
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Stabilizers were from here in Erie, PA. 2 members of the
band, Dave Christensen and Rich Nevens are Facebook friends. We played the early mixes (from cassette) of the song "Underground" on K104 in Erie in 1984-1985. In 1985ish, they performed in front of folks in Erie with Columbia Records in attendance. Rich and Dave were signed and headed to California. When the Stabilizers album was released, it went over huge in Erie (of course) and in Minneapolis. It pretty much bombed everywhere else. There was talk of material for a 2nd album on a different label but not sure why that never came to fruition. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 01 April 2014 at 2:57am
| "Red Red Wine" was brought back by Guy Zapoleon of KZZP-FM in Phoenix. A&M was reluctant to re-release the song as they were promoting the band's new single, "Breakfast In Bed". However, when other stations started adding "Red Red Wine" and the new single stiffed, A&M changed gears and re-promoted "Wine". |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 28 January 2015 at 6:17am
Regarding your friend in upstate NY, it sounds as if he had access to a LOT more 45-rpm discs than here in Ontario. It almost sounds like they were a somewhat regularly though lightly stocked item in the 1990s. Whereas here, they were GONE as of April of 1990, unless you went to Toronto (and that was even slim pickings until they completely disappeared in 1992 there at Sam's) There was a used shop in Hamilton and used ordered some 45s for me through the 90s, but even that was hit and miss. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Smokin' TomGary
Date Posted: 28 January 2015 at 3:29pm
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My Polydor whit label promo 45 has stock #PD 2091 80 NP 4980 with deadwax on the Long Version PD 2091.80NP. 4980-S-DW with a listed time of 4:29. Deadwax on Short Version side is PD 2091.80NP. 4980-SHORT-S-PW with a listed time of 3:43. This was a 1980 release.
At a CT radio station we had the longer version on a cart and it was only played on a Saturday night 70's show. The cart broke and I dubbed the Short Version onto another cart. The next week that cart broke and a couple of weeks later the 70's show was cancelled. In CT the Short Version was the popular version played on most stations. The song recalls the true story of Benny dating a 16 year old girl. When her parents found out, they were forced to break up. IIRC, the source for this was American Top 40. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 January 2019 at 3:08pm
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As Benny tells it, the song "Into The Night" was not about a girl he dated, but rather a girl who lived in the same building as he did. This girl, along with her siblings, did chores/errands for Benny. She was in charge of walking his dog every morning. Benny's band mate and writing partner, Robert Tepper ("No Easy Way Out"), saw her walk into Benny's apartment one morning and said "Oh, my!" Benny's reply was, "She's just 16 years old. Leave her alone." They then proceeded to write the hit song that morning.
Here's an audio interview of Benny telling the full story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3_UM8rcGe4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3_UM8rcGe4 ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 1:50pm
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Just revisiting this upon Benny's passing. Listen to "a heart" at 1:31 on the video version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWHjJt4833I - Benny's 1980 Video That's different isn't it? I always thought that the stock 45-rpm disc was the same as the radio edit, and that the screams were just faded off early, rather than removed. Was there a different Canadian 45? ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 3:19pm
The 1980 US promo 45 version appeared on the 1980 Canadian commercial 45. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 4:13pm
Thank you so much. I thought I was losing my mind. I couldn't remember where I ripped my MP3 from, and I didn't want to go searching. Plus that "a heart" at 1:31 is different on the 45-rpm promo version. It's what I was more familiar with. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 5:41pm
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Wait a minute--I'm confused. The "a heart" that appears at (1:31) on the stock 45 appears at (1:17) on the promo, and to me they sound alike.
So am I missing something? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 6:27pm
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Then what is this at 1:17 (on the edit)?
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aqf69xNYUTWUhTX3PTWJ3nYUr2X4?e=5UKV74 - Benny's Edit Compare it to the video I linked at 1:31. It sounds different to me. :) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 7:03pm
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I really don't detect much of a difference honestly (maybe a little EQing difference, at best, which admittedly I'm not an expert at
discerning). My source is the Eric Hard To Find 45s on CD, Volume 15 disc, which Pat indicates as having the short DJ edit. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 7:12pm
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Wow! OK. It's actually the "A" that I was concerned with. On the video the difference stuck out to me as unrecognizable. The note is actually sung lower and quieter, whereas on my single, it's more transient. But fair enough :)
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 01 July 2020 at 8:57pm
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Jody, I hear what you mean and I think I can explain it. EQ is a BIG part of my job so I run
into this sometimes. The 2 sources you're comparing have a radically different EQ. The mp3 for the DJ edit is very bright, with lots of upper mid-range and more compression. This makes his vocal sound louder and closer. In the video, there's low-compression and much less mid-range. This makes his vocal sound further away. And when I first listened I thought, hmmm slightly different, but I then A/B'd carefully and picked up the different EQ. But you can rest assured they are the same vocal - just a very different delivery to our ears. I do recall when we issued this edit on the Eric CD, other CDs with the full version had a softer EQ. But Aaron had sent me a promo 45 dub and I recall it was brighter, and had a small amount of compression so I matched our CD release to the EQ of the promo 45. MM |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 July 2020 at 3:29am
I definitely picked up on the different EQ curve and compression ratio you're mentioning. I guess I was surprised because when I heard the difference on the video, I was turned around paying attention to something else, and then it "came out" at me. Why that mystifies me is this: if the diffrences were all EQ and dynamic range, I feel that I would have noticed other differences before then because my ears and brain had settled in the the EQ curve and dynamics of the source I was listening to. I didn't start out comparing versions. You see what I mean? Whereas, I picked out the "A" just from singing along. Upon repeated plays between the two, I start to see more similarities than differences. So you must be on to something with EQ and compression being the effect. All good though. I guess I'm just so surprised after forty years of picking this out, and never noticing it until now. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 03 July 2020 at 5:40am
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Benny Mardones died the other day...sad.. ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 03 July 2020 at 3:21pm
I have a flac of the promo 45. If you don't have it I can send it your way. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 12 July 2020 at 4:53pm
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I know there are a few members here who spent time in the Twin Cities in the 80s and I'm wondering if anyone can help jog my memory regarding this song's airplay in the summer of 1989.
Neither WLOL nor KDWB reported "Into the Night" in their weekly surveys, but at a minimum KDWB had it in regular rotation because I remember hearing it as much as most currents. I know KDWB played the original version at least some of time because I still have a cassette recording from that summer with a snippet of a KDWB liner at the end of the song. I suspect WLOL played it too because A) I spent most of my time listening to WLOL, and B) I distinctly remember being aware of the two different versions, and I'm guessing WLOL played the 1989 re-recording while KDWB played the original. Any other Twin Cities members have similar recollections? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 July 2020 at 4:03am
That pretty much matches my recollection. WLOL was the only station I recall playing the new version. IIRC, the song was only played for a few weeks before totally disappearing. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 13 July 2020 at 7:17am
Thanks so much for helping to confirm my fuzzy memory, Paul! |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 31 January 2022 at 7:26pm
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The only reason I even know about this song is because a friend of mine was at a club and he, "Benny" danced on her table, as the story goes.
I have no idea what city she was in at the time. I don't think I even remember hearing this one on local radio at the time. No way I could say which version may have been played here. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: BSharp
Date Posted: 04 February 2022 at 8:03am
If he could fly, he would've picked her up. :D |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 04 February 2022 at 10:42am
After making that comment, I realized that I may have brought myself open to innuendo. It's a game for us around here to tack-on a label to lyrics. What we frequently say is, "So that's what the kids are calling it these days." Benny Mardones; "Dance on her table." Bobby Vinton; "Someday, some boy will write In her book too." Beatles, Ted Nugent. etc., etc. I'm sure there's a million of them to be either mis-heard or deliberately made fun of. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 8:04am
| Could somebody detail exactly which section at the end loops? I can imagine how they did it but wonder exactly where the edit is - this particular version isn't on YouTube at the moment to reference. Thanks! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 8:30am
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vanmeter,
Are you looking for editing instructions for the short version? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 8:39am
| Correct, the short edit that loops the background singers at the end. I'm assuming it just repeats 3:38-3:44 and edits right on the word "fly" but wanted to make sure since it sounds like it might be technically possible to get the drum fill in too (I've not tried it). |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 9:07am
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Private message me and I think I can help you out. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 9:11am
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1) Remove 0:04 to 0:14 on the downbeat.
2) Loop the segment that occurs between 3:40 and 3:46 of the full-length version exactly twice. The edit is just before the word "fly." Fade starting at the first loop (edit point) until the end of the two loops. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 9:13am
Thanks, easy enough! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 February 2022 at 11:05am
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Amazing Aaron once again! ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 02 March 2022 at 7:53am
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So I counted 13 songs that charted twice with the same version. The one
thing we never discussed is the songs that charted twice with an album version and a single version. “Red, Red, Wine” had the short version first that charted, then the album version tho the video and version I had on the radio was the single version. “In Your Eyes” Peter Gabriel had a long and a short version on its two chart runs. Anyways, that’s been something I had been wondering about..Like I said, I understand a remix or a re-recording, just don’t get why they would release a regular and a short version of the same song. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 March 2022 at 9:18am
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"Red Red Wine" re-entered the charts when KZZP added the album version, including the "rap" by Astro, to their playlist in 1988. The song became a huge hit for KZZP, and the decision was made by Virgin to re-release the song nationally using the same version (the LP version) that worked for KZZP.
The second chart run for "In Your Eyes" was propelled by its inclusion in a movie, and the label used the exact same "short" promo version to service it to radio again, which is a remix. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 05 March 2022 at 5:43pm
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Oh ok. Well that is very interesting for those reasons. Thank you for
answering my questions! |