pete drake forever
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Topic: pete drake forever
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: pete drake forever
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 1:00pm
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my commercial 45 for the pete drake song "forever" issued
as smash 1888 states the run time on the label as 2:37 but actually runs 2:38......the question i have is that most of the whitburn books has the catalog number as smash 1867.....in my ebay travels, i've never seen a smash 1867 issued 45.....is this a typo or is there a second more elusive vinyl 45 out there....... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 1:09pm
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Ed, "Forever" was issued under both catalog numbers, each with a different "B" side ("Sleep Walk" on 1867 and "Midnight In Amarilla" on 1888.
My stock copy is also on Smash 1888. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 1:51pm
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yah shure, thanks for the info.....
paul haney......which one is listed in the billboard charts during it's chart run?........and, can you see if we can get whitburn's books to list both 45's in the future... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 2:19pm
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Ed, I think I know why Mr. Whitburn listed it the way he has. The Smash
1867 45 was released around Jan. 1964, and this was truly the Top 40 hit. Quite often in the 60's, labels would "recycle" an old 45's B-side (and less commonly, an old 45's A-side) for a subsequent 45 release. After all, the mastering/pressing/stamping process was already completed for these tracks, making this process both much quicker and far less expensive for the labels. That's what happened here, Ed. "Midnight In Amarilla" was the immediate follow-up 45 to "Forever", released in late March 1964. Smash, for whatever reason, decided to again use "Forever" as this 45's B-side. Why? Who knows. Perhaps 45 sales for "Forever" were slowing down, and the label was pondering whether or not to do "one more current 45 pressing run" on it. But by instead opting to add it as the B-side of his follow-up, retaliers could then also sell Smash 1888 copies to any remaining customers wanting a "Forever" copy. Therefore, having Mr. Whitburn also list Smash 1888 as a "hit release" # is technically incorrect - because it was the "B" side of that 45. But I do agree, Ed - Smash 1888 copies have long been far easier to track down than Smash 1867 has been. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 2:49pm
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jim, as always, thanks for the insight!!!....btw, can i
assume the smash 1867 and 1888 versions of "forever" were identical? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 3:14pm
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Just checked both 45s deadwaxes for you: (both machine-stamped)
Smash 1867: YW 30207 1 Smash 1888: YW 30207 2 (for both my copies of this) To answer your question, Ed: Yes. Aside from the pressing run # difference (1 vs. 2), the masters #'s appear to be identical. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 3:08am
Jim's explanation is spot-on, as usual. For the record, the actual Hot 100 charts did show the 1867 number all the way through the song's chart run. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 7:27am
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paul, thanks for double checking..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 29 March 2012 at 1:57pm
| Thanks for providing the better info, Jim! I never noticed I had the "stiff-plus-prior-hit" follow-up before. |