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Posted By: aaronk
Subject: R.E.M. - It’s The End Of The World...
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 10:34pm
| The US 7" single for "It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" has a printed time of 3:29. There is an import compilation that has a 3:10 version (labeled "Edit"). Does anyone know if they are the same version? I don't own the 45 to verify whether or not the 3:29 printed time is correct. |
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 2:10pm
| I've seen pictures online of a UK EP single. This song is listed as the first track and is labeled as the 'single version' with a listed time of 4:03. |
Posted By: PaulEschen
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 5:45pm
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My US 45 of this song (I.R.S. 53220) has a listed time of 3:27, and times out
to 3:29. The second and third verses and half of the fourth verse are edited out. The UK CD single I have has the LP version, with two different "B-sides" than the US 45. This UK CD single (I.R.S. DIRMT 180) is listed as part of a series, as the bottom of the front cover lists it as Volume One. I've never seen a 3:10 version before; what compilation is it? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:11pm
| It's called "Singles Collected," an import from 1994. It's possible that the "Edit" on this disc is something unique to the CD. I've never owned this one or heard it from 7". Paul, is there any way you could email me a dub of your 45? I'd love to see if it can be re-created from the LP version. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 9:33pm
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Thanks to Paul, I was able to hear the US 45 edit. It's actually one simple edit removing the section from 0:21 to 0:44, with the edit right before the word "height" at the beginning point and before the word "you" at the end edit point. Then, just chop off everything from 3:27 to the end and create a 10 second fade. The last lyrics heard are "...as we know it, and I..."
By the way, this is a totally different edit than what's on "Singles Collected." Now, I just need to locate my copy of "Eponymous" to actually re-create it :) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 7:57pm
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So should the lyrics sound like "fear fight down you patriotic. . ." when the edit is made? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 8:57pm
| Yep, that's exactly how it goes. |
Posted By: VWestlife
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 9:24am
| The version that's on the "Greenpeace: Rainbow Warriors" compilation runs 2:59, ending right before the a cappella section. But instead of doing a quick fade on the false ending to turn it into a real ending, they started fading it at 2:45. |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 7:20pm
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The 3:30 Edit on the 1988 promo CD single (CD45-17476) cuts at one word further ahead on each side of the 0:21 edit point, so it goes "fear of height, down, height / vitriolic, patriotic". The fade goes on just long enough to barely hear the whole "and I feel fiiiiine".
So we can maybe think of that one as a "failed attempt to recreate the 45 edit". (Lyric sites say it's "fear of height", not "fear, fight".) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 07 August 2022 at 2:37pm
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The commercial 45 (but not the "Edit" from the promo CD single) is one easy edit and an early fade. Here are editing instructions using the timing from the superb R.E.M. best-of Eponymous (1988):
Segment 1 Ends on a snare hit If the first bass drum hit in the song is beat number 1, then the edit is on beat number 64. Extends from 0:00 to 0:21.2 of the LP version and the 45 edit. Delete the 80 beats from 0:21.2 to 0:44.6 of the LP version. Segment 2 Begins on a snare hit Extends from 0:21.2 to 3:27.7 of the 45 edit. Extends from 0:44.6 to 3:51.0 of the LP version. Fade Extends from 3:18 to 3:27.7 of the 45 edit. Extends from 3:41 to 3:51.0 of the LP version. Your mixdown will run 3:27.7 with an edit at 0:21.2 and a 10-second fade from 3:18 to 3:27.7. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 August 2022 at 8:07pm
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I just pulled out my promo CD, and by golly, it's a different edit from the commercial 45 dub I have on my hard drive. As reported by mjb50, the edit point is after the word "height" at the 0:21 mark. To recap:
stock 45 lyrics: The ladder starts to clatter With a fear of height, down [edit] You vitriolic, patriotic, slam fight, bright light Feeling pretty psyched promo CD lyrics: The ladder starts to clatter With a fear of height, down height [edit] vitriolic, patriotic, slam fight, bright light Feeling pretty psyched ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 5:17am
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Aaron - My instructions above reverse-engineer the file from your hard drive. That's the commercial 45? ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 10:28am
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Yes, that's correct, and my edit was matched up to Paul's 45. I have a different 45 dub on my hard drive from Chuck, and the edit is the same. It's the promo CD single that's has the edit in a different spot. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:14am
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I edited my post above to reflect that instructions are for the commercial 45.
Aaron - Do you know where the edit is on the promo CD single? On snare or downbeat? Two or three beats after where the promo CD is edited? I wonder which came first and why it was changed. It's not like the lyrics make perfect sense for one edit but not the other. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:22am
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Does the fade on the promo CD single start in the same
place as the commercial 45? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:32am
Check your inbox! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:43am
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I'd love to hear the promo edit as well to make sure my
edit is correct. It sounds a bit choppy. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 12:28pm
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Thanks to Aaron, I can confirm that the promo CD single's edit is exactly one beat after the commercial 45's edit. Here are editing instructions for Track 1 from promo CD single I.R.S. CD45-17476 ("Edit", printed 3:29):
Segment 1 Ends on a downbeat If the first bass drum hit in the song is beat number 1, then the edit is on beat number 65. Extends from 0:00 to 0:21.5 of the LP version and the 45 edit. Delete the 80 beats from 0:21.5 to 0:44.9 of the LP version. Segment 2 Begins on a downbeat Extends from 0:21.5 to 3:30 of the 45 edit. Extends from 0:44.9 to 3:53 of the LP version. Fade Extends from 3:19 to 3:30 of the 45 edit. Extends from 3:42 to 3:53 of the LP version. Your mixdown will run 3:30 with an edit at 0:21.5 and a 10-second fade from 3:19 to 3:30. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 12:35pm
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As a result, the commercial 45 and the promo CD single "Edit" differ in exactly one word.
On the snare hit at 0:21, the commercial 45 has the word "high" and the promo CD single has the word "you". Everything else is the same. The fades are basically in the same spots in the commercial 45 and the promo CD single "Edit". ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 1:20pm
| I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I said. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 1:32pm
Correct. I credited you several posts back, so thanks for bringing it to our attention! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: boxmaster
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 9:24pm
| I just spent the evening comparing the LP, a fresh rip of the 45 (53220) and promo CD (CD45-17476) and also checked the one video on Youtube that claims to be the 45. And from what I hear the 45 & Pro CD are the same. They both cut after the word high/height. When I put them side by side in Audition, except for a slight speed difference, they stayed in sync. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:23pm
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The plot thickens… Can you check the deadwax of your 45 and post the
matrix number? I’ll check for the 45 at storage to see what’s on my copy. The dub I have on my hard drive is courtesy of Chuck, so maybe he can also post his matrix info. I also saw the video of the 45 playing on YouTube, and that edit does not match the dub I have. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:30pm
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Quickly glancing at Discogs, there are some 45s with label matrix
MC24479E and some that have MC24640E. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 4:36am
| the matrix on my 45 was MC24479E MD2 |
Posted By: boxmaster
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 5:32am
| My Matrix is MC 24640 E-DMM it also has "Precision DMM" etched in the deadwax |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 8:23am
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It looks like we have two 45 versions. The one with the higher matrix number of 24640 was likely issued second, and that's what appears on the promo CD single. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 8:30am
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Would that mean the release with the higher matrix is the
hit version? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |