New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
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Topic: New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
Date Posted: 18 September 2010 at 10:13pm
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Although not a top 40 hit, it's one of those classic '80s songs that has been getting airplay for many years. Back in the mid-'90s, a promo CD of "Bizarre Love Triangle" was put out to coincide with the Best Of compilation release. Our station started playing this song quite regularly at that point, using the "Single Remix" from that promo CD.
If my memory is correct, the promo CD "Single Remix" was the same version as the 1986 US 12" (side B, cut 2), running 3:45. But, there was also a 7" single released that has a printed time of 3:36. Does anyone know if that time is a misprint, or is it a different version on the 1986 7" single? |
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 September 2010 at 9:21am
| My copy from TM Century starts with the drums and runs 3:22. Though no indication is given, would this be a radio edit? |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 19 September 2010 at 1:25pm
| The 1986 45 runs 3:36 - the intro runs :17 and has a cold ending. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 September 2010 at 8:34pm
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Hmm, well the promo CD has a :25 intro, so there's definitely a difference. Chuck, are you familiar with the version on that promo, and if so, is it even the same mix?
John, I have it on a TM disc, too, and I have no idea where that edit comes from. It's the same mix as what's on the promo CD, but they chopped several seconds off the intro and faded it. Definitely not the same as the 45 or the 12". The promo CD starts with just a synthesizer (no drums) and also ends cold. I'm pretty sure it was identical to the 12" I used to have, but I got rid of the vinyl quite a while ago. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 September 2010 at 10:00pm
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Thanks to Chuck, I was able to hear the original 1986 7" version. It's the same mix as the 1995 promo CD, but it's an edited version---an out-of-sequence edit!
John, the TM edit is either a promo-only version or simply a butchered attempt at getting the correct single version. The first 2:35 is all correct, including a couple out-of-sequence edits. After that, the official 7" version has another out-of-sequence edit. On the TM version, it just follows the regular "Single Remix" from the promo CD, yet for some reason they faded it before the cold ending. Again, maybe it was like this on a promo 7" single. Anyone know? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 September 2010 at 11:13am
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Have seen a pictures of a U.S. promo cd single and U.S. promo 45. Listed time on the promo CD is 3:44, listed time on the promo 45 is 3:36.
Not sure which was issued first. **EDITED TO ADD** - The promo CD is from 1995, the promo 45 is from 1986. As was mentioned above. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 September 2010 at 11:56am
| Well, it appears that the TM disc is some other edit of unknown origin. The soundtrack to "Threesome" has a 3:23 version on it, according to allmusic.com. Maybe that is where this edit comes from. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 19 September 2013 at 10:04pm
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Does anybody have a CD source for the 1986 17-second intro, 3:36 length, cold ending 7" 45 RPM single version? I seem to have every OTHER possible edit / mix / remix / extended version, but I haven't located an original '86 mix yet. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 1:19pm
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Bumping this old thread up to see if anyone can help out
with where to find the original 1986 7" version. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 3:09pm
| I'd be interested too. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 7:16pm
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I will shoot this out in a little bit to anyone who would like a copy. I
created the edit based on Chuck's 45 dub. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 23 August 2019 at 7:32pm
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Which version appears on US (the best of) NewOrder compilation?
It runs 3:50 but is not the "single remix" on the CD single (both commercial and promo) that runs 3:43. It may be the same mix (my ears are not that good) but the ending is definitely different. The version on the single ends cold while the one on the album has a solo keyboard sequence that fades out. The latter is what I always heard on the radio back in '95. Both state they were remixed by Shep Pettibone. Thanks! |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 28 August 2019 at 7:13pm
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After some extensive research I have come to the conclusion that
the version on the best of comp is a new mix. All other songs that were remixed had a "94" or "95" after the title except this one. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 August 2019 at 2:04pm
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I hadn't heard the Best Of New Order CD in many years, and within the first few seconds of listening to "Bizarre Love Triangle," I could immediately tell that it's a new mix. It's more similar to the LP mix than the single mix. To summarize:
- Album Version from 1994 CD single runs 4:20; vocal starts at 0:08; song ends with a low synth drone and very faint twinkle keyboard. I presume this is the same as the 1986 LP version. - Single Remix from 1994 CD single runs 3:44; vocal starts at 0:25; song ends cold with lone synth stab (no low synth drone or twinkle keyboard). I'm 99% sure this is the same non-described version found on Side B of the 1986 12" single. - 7" edit of Single Remix from 1986 runs 3:36; vocal starts at 0:17; no opening synth; song ends cold with lone synth stab (no low synth drone or twinkle keyboard). This is the official US single version and is unavailable on any CDs to my knowledge. - 1995 Best Of mix runs 3:51; vocal starts at 0:18; no opening synth; song ends with twinkle keyboard fading out ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 29 August 2019 at 7:41pm
| Thanks Aaron. But the real question is which one is your favorite? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 August 2019 at 8:57pm
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My old top 40 station played the Single Remix from the 1995 promo CD
single (same version as on the 1986 12" single). That's the version I heard most often, so I'm a bit partial to that one. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 01 September 2019 at 3:29pm
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I was always partial to the '94 version...I guess because that is the
version my local radio station played all the time in 1994. It also allowed me to rediscover New Order. Odd that they would play track 2 off of the 1994 promo cd single (listed album version 3:52). My only guess is that they did switch from the Shep Pettibone remix edit of "True Faith" to "True Faith 94" once the best of comp was released. Maybe they wanted to stick with current 1994 mixes. I dug a little deeper and discovered that the UK release of (The Best Of) NewOrder does in fact label it "Bizarre Love Triangle-94" whereas the US release does not. |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 11:05am
Bizarre Love Triangle '94 Re-recorded and re-produced. Utter rubbish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9RrJElX09o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9RrJElX09o ------------- Je n'ai plus d'argent. Cherchez la femme, pardieu! Cherchez la femme! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 11:41am
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You bring up an interesting point, and I believe Qwest re-released and re-promoted the song at two separate times. I honestly do not know the release date of the US maxi CD single, but Discogs has it listed as 1994. Perhaps this CD single is what you're referring to about competing with Frente's cover.
The promo CD single wasn't issued until the summer of 1995, though, which was a full year after Frente's cover peaked at #49 the previous summer. PRO-CD-7587 specifically says that the Album Version is "from the Qwest/Warner Bros. album (the best of) New Order," and it does contain the new 1994 remix. Did the Frente cover renew interest in the song and in New Order, which prompted the label to put out all new mixes of these songs? From what I can tell, the compilation came out in the UK at the end of 1994 and followed in the US in the spring of 1995. The 1986 single version is, without question, the "Edit" that appears on the 7" single. I'd say the 1986 "Album Version" was the single version in 1994, as it is the lead track of the 5-track US maxi CD. Depending on which station you heard it on in 1995, the "Single Remix" (track 5 on the 1994 maxi CD) could also be considered a "hit version," as it is the lead track of the promo CD and most certainly received airplay that year. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 12:52pm
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Single Remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAk8hrtB3k - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAk8hrtB3k ------------- Je n'ai plus d'argent. Cherchez la femme, pardieu! Cherchez la femme! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 1:16pm
The 1994/1995 hit version may very well be the "Single Remix," yes, but it's not the single version. Just like you literally hate when people overuse the word "literally," there are many collectors here who specifically collect the "single version" regardless of whether it was the hit version and regardless of whether any radio station played it at all. Single version and hit version are not interchangeable, literally. ;) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Loveland wrote:Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 2:08pm
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'Remixed & Re-Edited', aka Canadian Edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43oTvd0l7JY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43oTvd0l7JY ------------- Je n'ai plus d'argent. Cherchez la femme, pardieu! Cherchez la femme! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 2:51pm
It's not an argument; it's the way we do business here on this forum. The Single Remix of "Blame It On The Rain," is the US single version. It has nothing to do with the promo CD single, though. The reason is because it's the A-side of the US 7" vinyl and cassette single formats. When someone on the forum asks, "What's the single version of such-and-such song?" what they are asking is, "Which version appeared on the A-side of the commercial 7" vinyl single?" It has nothing to do with the "hit version." If we're talking about the era when cassette singles were the main format for singles, the "single version" (for purposes of this board) is the A-side of the cassette single. When discussing the era of CD singles, the official single version is track 1 of the 2-track CD single. If there was no 2-track configuration and only a maxi single was released, the official single version is the lead track on the maxi single. For your collection purposes, I can understand wanting to label things a different way, but for the forum, the term "single version" means something very specific, and the same goes for the database. If it says "LP version" in the database, it means it's the version that appeared on the actual full-length album. It does not mean the version labeled "LP version" on a single configuration. Most of the time, those are the same, but there are plenty of cases where a single format labels something "Album Version" yet doesn't actually match the full-length album. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 04 September 2019 at 5:49pm
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I never worked in radio; I am just a fan that wishes I did. In my
opinion, stations that were not extremely knowledgeable may have just played track one off of the promo CD single. Stations that really knew their music (or had a very good music director) chose the best version to fit the needs (and audience) of the station and still followed basic radio rules (i.e. edits or songs under 5 minutes, single/new mixes, etc.). My local station (WPST Trenton/Philadelphia) were very good in the mid 1990s. My guess is they chose the BestOf album version over the original single version since it was new but still had a retro 80s feel to it. Plus they may have already played the original single version back in 1986. Playing the Brotherhood album version was just not an option at all since it breaks the basic rules. Aaron, can you list a few examples of single format labels that had "album version" listed but didn't actual include the version found on the full-length album? Thanks! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 September 2019 at 8:42pm
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Sure, here are a handful of examples. I'm sure there are many more.
"Shoop" by Salt-N-Pepa is labeled "Album Version," but it's censored on the CD single. The full-length album is uncensored. Also, "None Of Your Business" is labeled "Album Version" on the promo CD single, and again the single is censored while the full-length album is not. "Take Me There" by Blackstreet & Mya has the "Album Version" on one of the promo CD singles running 5:02, but this version is about a minute longer than what appears on the soundtrack album. "Steal My Sunshine" by Len has an "Album Version" on the promo CD, but the full-length album doesn't match this version exactly (different intros and endings). "Pony" by Ginuwine is labeled "Album Version" on the CD single but only runs 4:13, while the full-length album runs 5:24. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 05 September 2019 at 5:30pm
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Very interesting...I just went back and read the LEN thread and
there are just so many variations of that one. Thanks for the list. |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 19 April 2020 at 8:03am
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I am sorry and a bit hesitant to bump this thread again, but want to add a note that the U.S./Canadian 7" version of "Bizarre Love Triangle" from 1986 is, I believe, able to be re-created from the UK/rest of world 1986 "Single Remix" (issued on the U.S. 1986 12" single and the years-later CD Maxi-Single replica of the 12" single). You have to re-appropriate some sections and edit the absolute hell out of it, but it's doable. In listening closely to some 7" and 12" vinyl rips of the U.S. single edit on YouTube, you can tell the official re-editing job is a bit trash in some spots, so don't dismay if your own edits sound a bit off -- they may match the 45 just fine upon comparison, just like with Madonna's "Lucky Star". No one was really doing a lot of clean and precise digital editing back then, but it makes our ears pick up on imperfections and wack timing a lot more now.
Also, the promo 12" version edit labeled '7" Edit' is just an early fade of the full U.S./Canadian 7" version. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 20 April 2020 at 6:41pm
Too many variations so much so it makes it complicated to know which version was the one on radio all these years later here in the US. The 3:30, 3:40 and 4 min versions all appear on cd singles making it harder to know which is which. Great song though! ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 April 2020 at 7:32pm
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Eric, good point about the promo 12". I have a copy and meant to post the details, so here they are:
PRO-A-2636 1. 7" Edit (listed & actual 3:23) 2. Extended Edit (listed & actual 4:58) The 7" Edit is actual an edit of the 7" version and to my knowledge is also not available on CD. If you already have the 45 version edited down, an additional :08 is removed from 2:35 to 2:43. The fadeout is from 3:13 to 3:23 of the audio that is left after making the edit. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 21 April 2020 at 5:36am
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Thanks for the clarification on the shorter DJ 7” Edit from the promo 12”
(what a mouthful)— it’s been a long time since I did my edits and I had forgotten about that extra cut. What’s really great about this song IMO is that any of these various versions, mixes and edits are still immensely listenable— there isn’t one that I think just goofs it all up. |
Posted By: edogak2000
Date Posted: 21 April 2020 at 9:42am
Hello, I have the following compilation from 1994, and "Bizarre Love Triangle" runs here 3:23 (listed & actual): https://www.discogs.com/de/Various-Threesome-Music-From-The- Motion-Picture/release/2871665 It seems to be the 7'' Edit. Regards Adris |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 April 2020 at 11:10am
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Thanks for the tip, Adris! I believe I have the US version of this soundtrack and will dig it up to see it matches my promo 12". ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |