Tierra - Together
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Topic: Tierra - Together
Posted By: NightAire
Subject: Tierra - Together
Date Posted: 07 March 2010 at 10:21pm
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(ASIDE: I don't remember this song at ALL but it made it to #53 on 1981's yr end Billboard charts.)
"Together," by Tierra: does anybody know if the album version can be edited down to the 45 length, or was it a separate mix? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
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Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 07 March 2010 at 10:23pm
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CORRECTION: can the album version be edited down to the SHORT D.J. edit length? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 2:12am
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I may have created my own answer, although I have nothing to reference to.
If you remove the talking from 2:58 - 3:21 (or more likely 2:59 - 3:22 if you don't cut the silence from the beginning of the track) from the long 45 edit you end up with a file 3:57 in length. An early fade takes it down to the DJ short edit length! Can anybody with the short DJ copy confirm this for me? It was tough to get the edit to sound smooth, & I'm wondering if the 45 was as "rough." ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 6:52am
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I'll check my promo copy tonight, but I don't recall it having a short version on it. Maybe there were 2 promos serviced?
I also don't remember this song getting much airplay, but we really didn't have much in the way of Top 40 radio up this way in '80/81. Even though you'd think this would have been a big AC hit, I don't recall any of the AC stations playing it either. |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 7:07am
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Don't feel bad. I was a big chart follower back in the day and there are some of these "hits" that I can't remember either.
Especially, the early 80s. In fact, some of the late 80s stuff which I played as new songs have left my memory too. ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 9:14am
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There was a previous thread, in which Aaron talks about how to achieve the short edit, which actually runs 3:49.
http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2169&KW=tierra - Tierra |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 10:58am
Steve, I believe up near your way JB105 played the heck out of it back then. Not sure about anybody else though. |
Hykker wrote:Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 11:24am
Indeed they did, pretty much the only place I heard it. 'PRO-FM might have, but with semi-locals on 92.1 & 92.5 they were a tough catch! JB was a great station in the late 70s/early 80s, but seemed to wither on the vine just about the time that CHR really took off in '82/83, and had transitioned to soft AC by the mid 80s. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 1:39pm
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eriejwg, don't know how my search didn't turn up that thread... thank you so much! That answered my question, & by pure accident, my edit was right. :)
The other thread mentions a mono mix... the original 45 serviced to radio was NOT mono, not in 1981... ...was it??? The version I have is one of those with the awful noise reduction applied, but the only "original" recordings I could find on Amazon & iTunes were all mono. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:43pm
I loved JB-105 in the late '70s. Also PRO-FM was really good. Does anyone recall when these stations started playing pop/top40 music? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 6:59pm
The full-service AC I worked at in St. Cloud, MN never played it, either. At the time, I often listened to KFI-AM/Los Angeles into the wee hours. The Tierra record was a big local hit in L.A. and KFI played the hell out of it. Although "Together" hadn't charted yet, the St. Cloud Musicland store already had the original ASI pressing in stock, so that's what I bought. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:00am
I just wanted to make sure this question didn't get lost; I'm really curious! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Steve Sharp
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 7:55am
| Is there a good-sounding mastering of this song, on cd? Album version would be just fine. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 8:18am
Thank you for the information, Yah Shure. Because I wondered why ASI pressing of "Together" exists. FYI: http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/abagon/TIERRA-TogetherASI.jpg - ASI 45 runs 4:14, its speed is faster than the Boardwalk commercial 45, and has an early fade. --abagon |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 8:50am
You're welcome, Abagon, and thanks for including the timing info! Since the ASI 45 was the only version I ever heard on the radio, it, to me, was the "hit". |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 10:55am
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 10:57am
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This song was a big hit on South Florida radio in '81. I purchased the Boardwalk 45 when it was on the charts. I had forgotten that it was written by Gamble & Huff. Wish it would have turned up on one of those CD compilations that the songwriting team have released in the past. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 11:18am
Purely speculation, but sometimes vinyl dubs are better "disguised" when summed to mono. Since every other CD I've heard (can't comment on the mono CDs) has a vinyl dub, maybe that's why those are mono. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 11:36am
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Hm-m... interesting possibility Aaronk. The samples I heard sounded very clean, but a 30 sec lo-fi sample could easily not reveal its vinyl roots.
Jimct, thanks for confirming that it WAS released in stereo originally. I assume the ASI & Boardwalk versions are the same take & mix, with speed & length being the only differences? This one's been a real challenge to track down & get right! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 12:09pm
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Just to clarify, can anyone confirm which (if any) CD appearances of this song are from a tape source? The database has a "mastered from vinyl" indicator on several CDs (such as Smooth Grooves, the only title I own with this song). But many of the listings do not have the "vinyl" indicator or other warnings (rerecording, noise reduction, etc.), such as:
(S) (4:22) Rhino 72920 Raza Rock Of The '70s & '80s (S) (4:23) Rhino 75587 Brown Eyed Soul Box Set (S) (4:23) Time-Life R794-14 Body + Soul: Midnight Seduction (S) (4:23) Original Sound 8726 Golden Oldies Volume 12 I was going to give the Brown Eyed Soul box set a try, but then I noticed that it appears on another Brown Eyed Soul listing (Vol. 1, Rhino 72868) with the dreaded "mastered from vinyl". I think there would a high likelihood that both CDs share the same mastering. In fact, I would wager that all Rhino CDs with this song share the same vinyl-sourced transfer. |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 7:15pm
Don't forget "Together" was a classic '60s soul song. It was done by The Intruders in 1967. Even through I grew up knowing the Tierra version, I gotta say the production on the Intruders version is really superior. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 7:25pm
You're correct. The original version reached #48 on the pop charts in '67 and I agree the Intruders' version is good. It's the remake I remember since it was a hit while I was in college. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 7:39pm
| FWIW, my ASI commercial 45 is also stereo. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 8:41pm
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So we've got the original label & the re-release both in stereo; they're both the same take, just a different speed & fade point?
I, too, am curious if any of the CDs in the database are believed to be from tape as opposed to vinyl AND in stereo AND the original recording. The copy I have won't play too often, but just knowing it's sitting there, waiting to be played again, is like fingernails on a blackboard to me. :) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Steve Sharp
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 9:16pm
| Essentially, I'm asking the same question as everyone else... looking for a recommendation on the best sounding cd with this song on it - hopefully not mastered from vinyl. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 7:12am
ASI 45: The final "together baby, together baby" lyric starts at 3:53.1, Boardwalk 45: at 3:57.3. ASI 45 has a truncated fade at 4:14. (till the 2nd "yeah" of three times "yeah") The 2nd "yeah" at 4:14 on the ASI 45 is the same position at 4:18 on the Boardwalk 45. --abagon |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 9:24pm
| Jim, what is the running time of your short version of "Together"? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 11:03pm
| In another thread, Jim said the listed and actual time is 3:49. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 30 November 2010 at 8:44pm
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I finally acquired another CD with this song on it to see if it might be from a tape source:
Original Sound 8878 Art Laboe's Dedicated To You This CD is from 1991 and "Together" doesn't sound like a needledrop to me. I don't hear any tell-tale vinyl artifacts, which would likely be quite apparent on that very soft intro. I'm not sure if they even had much in the way of digital click removal back in 1991. On another aspect, Original Sound CDs are notorious for their use of the dreaded "Waring" noise reduction but this CD appears to be free of that affliction, at least for "Together". I hear pretty audible tape hiss on the intro. The only drawback is that the song is faded 10 seconds early. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 30 November 2010 at 10:36pm
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For further clarification, it appears the CD you are referring to is the first in a lengthy series of "Art Leboe's Dedicated To You" compilations.
Amazon lists it here: http://www.amazon.com/Dedicated-You-Various-Artists/dp/B0000034JT/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1291181466&sr=8-3 - Art Laboe's Dedicated To You This is a fantastic find; thanks so much for the info! $15 from Amazon, $8 new from another seller... not bad at all. It's a shame about the early fade, but it's worth it to get a clean copy. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 30 November 2010 at 11:10pm
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It's also available on iTunes now; I just downloaded it from the "remastered" Digital Dedicated To You Vol 1. (Interesting that Art Laboe's name is now missing.)
My iTunes copy runs 4:14 too, unfortunately. Although it sounds to me like there might be noise reduction on the recording, it's not the "gritty" noise reduction on my previous copy. I keep going back & forth on whether it's a superb needle drop or a rough original recording. I'd say this is the best stereo copy I've heard. Thanks again for the tip! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 12:47am
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Thanks to Aaron's help, I've been able to determine that the iTunes version IS using noise reduction... LOTS of it. (No idea if it was a tape source or not, but the bells are basically lost in the recording.)
I'm now going to have to retract my recommendation of this download. For a superior copy, unless Aaron has any recommendations, I'd say look for Roscoe's recommended CD. Sorry for the false alarm! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 6:58am
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I have strong doubts that ANY of the CDs in the database are from tape source. I don't remember if an unofficial story of the Boardwalk label's history is posted somewhere on the board, but it might be. Joan Jett is perhaps one of the only Boardwalk artists whose songs are from tape source on CD. In fact, Boardwalk's only other top 40 hit I can think of that doesn't appear to be a vinyl dub is "Don't Tell Me You Love Me" by Night Ranger, which was likely transferred to MCA before the label went bankrupt.
Boardwalk's other top 40 hits (only a handful) are all vinyl dubs on every source I've heard them. "So Lonely" by Get Wet is definitely a vinyl dub on the Varese CD. "Stronger Than Before" by Carole Bayer Sager, like the Tierra song, has only ever appeared in mono, which is also highly suspicious. Again, my earlier theory about using mono to hide vinyl artifacts applies here. And I'm not sure about "I Want You, I Need You" by Chris Christian, because I don't recall hearing the only CD source listed in the database. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 1:28pm
It's certainly possible that the Original Sound CD is a needledrop, perhaps from a very clean vinyl source. Again, I'm not sure what tools were available for vinyl cleanup back in 1991. I can say that there are no audible vinyl artifacts on the song's appearance on this CD. But I don't want to oversell anyone that the "Dedicated To You" CD is a sonic knockout. The eq isn't that great IMO, and I can't say for sure that NR hasn't been applied. But it does sound better to me than the Rhino Smooth Grooves CD, which has audible vinyl artifacts, dynamic range compression and too bright eq. Ultimately, I stuck with my needledrop from the vinyl LP as my preferred source for this song. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 1:40pm
| Roscoe, I'm not sure what was on the market for vinyl cleanup tools, either, at that time; however, there were definitely tools available. TM Century was cleaning up vinyl dubs for their GoldDiscs in the late '80s, so the technology existed. It's also possible that a tape source exists, and perhaps the Original Sound CD really isn't a vinyl dub. I haven't actually heard the CD to comment, but the iTunes file certainly has an excessive amount of noise reduction applied, as Gene pointed out. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 12:45pm
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Ouch!
I just listened to a version of "Together" from a lossless file collection, allegedly from a disc called Oldies But Goodies Vol. 15. (Was this one of the Art Laboe discs?) This version has so much noise reduction that I uttered an audible "Ouch". Amplify the intro by 15 dB, and try to make out the little bells and the ride cymbal... then wait for your own "ouch". The goosed-up smiley-face EQ on the Oldies But Goodies version may bring the sound closer to today's releases, but that's not how the song was released. The version on Time-Life's 2-CD Body And Soul Vol. 14 Midnight Seduction (1999) is a needledrop, but it's a good needledrop that doesn't go overboard with noise reduction and has an EQ very close to the Boardwalk 45. Go with the Time-Life version, if you want the song to sound like the hit 45 version from 1981. I'd bet a dollar that the Time-Life disc is sourced from one of the Rhino releases, but I don't have the Rhino releases to confirm. If Bill Inglot couldn't find the tapes, it's probably safe to say that they don't exist. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 7:05pm
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Thanks to the speedy generosity of jimct, I can confirm
that Time-Life's 2-CD Body And Soul Vol. 14 Midnight Seduction (1999) is a differently EQ'd digital clone of Rhino's Brown Eyed Soul Vol. 1 (1997). Thanks, Jim! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 8:20pm
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I have this song on a CD reissue of the original LP that contained "Together", entitled "City Nights". The copyright is in 2000 by Reach Entertainment, Inc. The back cover shows the labels as Boardwalk Records and RKO Records. It looks like the label reissued other Boardwalk LPs by Richard "Dimples" Fields, the Ohio Players, Curtis Mayfield and others.
The CD is listed in Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/City-Nights-Tierra/dp/B00004WK56/ref=s r_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390792660&sr=8-1&keywords=tierra+city+nig hts There's only one used copy for sale for $59.99. I can send someone a wav file if you want to check if it's from tape or vinyl. I'm guessing vinyl, but it never hurts to check. This CD needs to be added to the database too. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 9:14pm
Good point. I've lived my whole life in Southern California and I remember that record (which also sampled "Cowboys to Girls", both done by the Intruders) ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 9:56pm
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I listened to the file that musicmantl has from the
City Nights CD. It's pure mono, unlike the Rhino needledrop, which is a narrow stereo. It fades a wee bit sooner than the Rhino needledrop, but just by a second or two. I don't hear any vinyl-related artifacts. If I raise the Rhino needledrop intro by 20 dB, I hear a little surface noise - no such noise on the City Nights version. There may be a little NR on the City Nights version, but it's not oppressive, and it doesn't leave any artifacts on the fade. It certainly doesn't provoke an "ouch"! Overall, I can't say with certainty that it's from tape, but it sounds very good for this song. I would defer to Aaron's ears for this track. I'm a little suspicious that it's in pure mono and fades a tiny bit early - those can mask the artifacts from a needledrop. I await Aaron's review. (This is fun!) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 11:12pm
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Ron, if you can forward the file to me, I'll take a listen. Of all the cd
sources I've heard with vinyl dubs, I think my own vinyl dub trumps them all. Jim was kind enough to provide a mint LP, as well as some pristine 45 copies as the sources, which I patched together to make my master file. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 9:46pm
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Just listened to the file, and if this was taken from vinyl, my ears can't tell. The only bummer is that it's in mono and a little heavy on the bass. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 6:13pm
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Every CD source of this is needledrops. Never heard one
from tape. Wonder if the Boardwalk 45 is from tape sources itself? Might be part of the mystery. I figure the monoing is being done to hide vinyl artifacts and the early fades. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 February 2014 at 11:56pm
Aaron, from what Ron described (fades out a second or two early) and your own comment about the prominent bass, it sounds like that file is a needledrop of the ASI 45, summed to mono and pitched slower to match the speed of the Boardwalk 45. The ASI's bass response just rocks, and although I've never heard the Boardwalk release, my guess is that the bottom end was toned down on it. When I did my own ASI needledrop, I ended up summing it to mono, having spent entirely too much time trying to de-rumble the intro while still maintaining stereo separation. The summed result was as quiet as could be. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 12 February 2014 at 2:24am
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I have always felt that this song sounded unnatural on
CD, as if it was NR'ed, and, if the only source of it was from Original Sound, it likely was. In the mid-80s, Priority Records and Original Sound CDs used Hark Waring's "Full Dimensional Sound", or FDS, an elaborate system used to de-noise tapes. The system had the effect of removing every bit of noise from tapes, or whatever source, and, as a result, left them sounding hard and cold. Other songs that have somewhat similar sonic characteristics as "Together" on CD are "Precious And Few" by Climax and "Show And Tell" by Al Wilson. Curiously, those tracks also showed up on other Original Sound "Oldies But Goodies" CD volumes. The Priority "Baby Boomer Classics" CDs the FDS NR was used on sounded even worse. This thread has made me determined to find the Boardwalk 45 of "Together", as I dug up the original Carousel 45 of "Precious and Few", and sound a download of "Show And tell" that sounds much more like I remember it from 1973. ------------- |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 22 April 2014 at 2:26pm
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I'd try to go for an ASI 45 of "Together" myself. Why not
go for the original. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |