45 vs. LP version distinction
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Topic: 45 vs. LP version distinction
Posted By: davidclark
Subject: 45 vs. LP version distinction
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 7:51am
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On the Grass Roots, what's the diff between 45 and LP verisons of:
The River Is Wide Temptation Eyes I assume the 45 of I'd Wait A Million Years simply omits the intro. thanks. ------------- dc1 |
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Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 2:43pm
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"Temptation Eyes" features double tracked vocals during the chorus while the LP version has single tracked vocals.
"The River Is Wide" 45 doesn't have the thunder on the introduction like the LP does. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 16 November 2005 at 5:41pm
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still going thru the database, finding out about differences in 45 and LPs that I wasn't aware of. Only of course the database doesn't necessarily indicate what the differences are.
So, CCR - DOWN ON THE CORNER. does the 45 omit the opening few seconds of percussion? Roy Orbision - IN DREAMS. what is the difference between LP and the 45? cheers! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 16 November 2005 at 8:48pm
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You guessed correctly regarding "Down On The Corner" LP version having more introductory percussion than the 45.
"In Dreams" is a little more complicated in that the 45 was an edit of several different vocal takes and you can tell from the way Roy sings the line "I Remember That You Said Goodbye" starting at 1:59. Roy holds the "goodbyeeee" longer on the LP version than he does on the 45 version. Sure is nice to hear from some folks that remember vinyl. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 16 November 2005 at 8:57pm
| So if I understand correctly, the 45 version intro of "Down on the Corner" begins when the guitar first kicks in? Does the 45 contain any other edits or an early fade? |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 6:30am
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Yes, the 45 starts where the first guitar lick kicks in and there are no further edits or early fade. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 21 November 2005 at 6:51pm
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thanks. what about Jim Croce - OPERATOR (THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT FEELS). Is there a 45 vs. LP difference? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 21 November 2005 at 7:36pm
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Listen to the guitar between 1:33 and 1:35 - it is different from the 45 to the LP. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 February 2006 at 10:48pm
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Pat writes: <Listen to the guitar between 1:33 and 1:35 - it is different from the 45 to the LP.>
Pat, does this 45 version exist in stereo, or just mono? (The only 45 version that has ever appeared on CD is in mono.) |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 26 February 2006 at 6:46am
| The commercial 45 is mono. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 26 February 2006 at 9:37pm
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davidclark wrote:Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 27 February 2006 at 10:43pm
The only difference I heard throughout In Dreams is from about 2:04 to 2:15 where just one line was different (the same thing happened with Oh Pretty Woman with just one line being changed). I also couldve sworn that my 45 of Down On The Corner was the same as the LP with the extra percussion in the beginning, but i may be wrong as i dont presently have access to it. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 01 March 2006 at 7:21pm
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okay another one.
LITTLE ANTHONY and THE IMPERIALS 1964 GOIN' OUT OF MY HEAD. since every version of this on CD is the stereo LP version, the question begs to be asked: what's the diff between LP and 45 version? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 01 March 2006 at 9:14pm
| The 45 and mono LP version of "Goin' Out Of My Head" are a different vocal take than the stereo LP. The stereo LP version also has "ooh" at 2:11 while the 45 version does not. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 03 March 2006 at 7:27pm
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My turn.
What is the difference between the 45 and LP version of "I'm Just A Singer (In A Rock & Roll Band)" by the Moody Blues? 45s run anywhere from (4:13-4:15)--taking out the one CD that has it running (4:10), LPs run (4:15-4:16). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 04 March 2006 at 2:19am
| I believe Pat makes this distinction because on the LP, the song prior to "I'm Just a Singer" bleeds into the intro of this song. I don't have the LP (which is why I can't say for sure), but I have the "LP version" on CDs and it certainly bleeds in with music that fades out over the 1st few seconds of "I"m Just a Singer". |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 04 March 2006 at 6:21pm
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another one (due me finding these in the database...)
FOUR TOPS - KEEPER OF THE CASTLE 1973 what's the diff between 45 and lP version? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 04 March 2006 at 6:59pm
The intro was edited by two measures (bars). The 45 also was faded a few seconds earlier than the now common LP version. There are some subtle mix differences as well, but it's been a long time since i've played the 45, so I don't remember much. I think the 45 is either mono or very narrow stereo, but, since my 45 is so beat up, I can't tell. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 21 March 2006 at 3:52pm
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not done with this thread yet...
Pat, what is the difference between the Lp and 45 versions of: Association - Six Man Band (I thought the 45 just faded later) Platters - Twilight Time (they sound pretty much the same to me, except for stereo/e differences) ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: anthology123
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 10:07am
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I will confirm also the 45 of Temptation eyes has double tracked vocals on
the chorus and is in mono. I thought the song was much better with the 45 chorus. I have the 45 (Dunhill?) but it's too scratchy to extract a good recording. I was so disappointed when I first heard the stereo version and found the chorus had changed, |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 1:45pm
| I sent you guys some stuff. Check you email! |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 25 March 2006 at 7:32am
| To answer David Clark's questions, the LP version of Six Man Band has background vocal overdubs that start at :13 that you will not hear on the 45 version. I had to correct some entires in the database to correct the listings as the true 45 version has yet to appear on CD. With regards to the Platters "Twilight Time", at 1:06 on the stereo LP version you will hear the line "Here in this sweet and same old way" but on the 45 you will hear the lyrics reversed to "Here in this same and sweet old way". |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 04 November 2007 at 5:24pm
| Thanks to David Clark for pointing me back to this thread. Also learned about some other 45's as well by reading the responses! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 November 2007 at 11:46am
After getting in a near mint 45, here are my observations in agreement with what Pat and others have said. 1) The 45, which is mono, is drier sounding. 2) The guitar on the 45 is different on the 45 from 1:33-1:35. Not sure if Jim has timed this particular 45, but mine has a label and actual time of 3:45. P.S. When I clean up a 45 version in Adobe, I always put 0.5 second lead in on my end result digital file. Your mileage may vary! |
Posted By: jono
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 8:09pm
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Bumped for Edtop40 - see post #14 by Pat re: Little Anthony "Goin' Out
Of My Head". Jon O. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 3:30pm
The 45 version in stereo is available on the DCC 24-Karat "Gold In A Bottle" mastered by Steve Hoffman, if you can find it. ------------- |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 5:05pm
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Which is also a superb sounding CD if you can find one. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 07 August 2018 at 5:51am
Hello, It has been 12 years. Do you, or anyone else know if the single mix of this song ever showed up in digital form? ------------- |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 10:31am
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That unique mono version is still MIA on CD. Can't get rid of the vinyl yet. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 2:18pm
| I've added it to my need on mono list. It was never out on CD you are correct. |