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Michael Jackson is dead at 50! Printed From: Top 40 Music on CD Category: Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Forum Name: Chat Board Forum Description: Chat away but please observe the chat board rules URL: https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5016 Printed Date: 17 May 2025 at 4:24am Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.07 - https://www.webwizforums.com Topic: Michael Jackson is dead at 50! Posted By: aaronk Subject: Michael Jackson is dead at 50! Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 3:36pm I know we don't usually cover music news on this board, but it has to be one of the most shocking moments in music history. RIP, MJ. Replies: Posted By: Yah Shure Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 6:21pm Yes, it certainly came as a shock. While thumbing through some of the Jacksons' 45s this afternoon, the first one I came across was http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Jackson5-ForeverCameTodayDJ.jpg - "Forever Came Today" from 1975. It instantly reminded me of hearing the Supremes' original version of the song on the radio within minutes after the news broke of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination in 1968. Even after all these years, hearing that song takes me back to that exact moment. MJ was truly one of greatest in entertainment history. His talent is already sorely missed. Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 7:14pm I'm not ashamed to admit I cried a little. The whole thing is really shocking. Posted By: eriejwg Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 9:58pm Whether we heard his music on the radio, or for some of us, have played his music on the radio...from vinyl 45's to CD to digital files, the music of Michael Jackson has crossed several generations. He really was a music genius. While music these days may only chart for weeks, Michael Jackson's music is enjoyed by people from 18-80. There's not a wedding DJ in the world who hasn't PACKED a dance floor with "Billie Jean", "Thriller", "P.Y.T." (endless amount of MJ music) or countless Jackson 5 tracks. R.I.P. Michael. Posted By: TomDiehl1 Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 10:14pm I don't know a single person that doesn't at least smirk a little when "ABC" gets played! ------------- Live in stereo. Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 10:45pm No surprise, but several of Michael's classic songs are racing up the iTunes top 100. Thriller is up to #12 at the moment, with "Man in the Mirror," "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough," "The Way You Make Me Feel," and "Billie Jean" all in the top twenty. They're not eligible to chart on the Hot 100, since they're considered "catalog," but it will be interesting to see the digital totals for them on next week's chart. Posted By: Santi Paradoa Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 5:58am My favorites are four ballads Michael recorded as a teenager while still on Motown: "Music And Me," "One Day In Your Life," "With A Child's Heart" and "Happy" (Love Theme from "Lady Sings The Blues").     By the way, Hip-OSelect has a 3-disc set to be released in July titled "Hello World-The Complete Motown Solo Collection" with all of Michael's Motown solo recordings. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 8:34am Wow... at the moment, THIRTY-EIGHT of the top 100 selling song on iTunes are Michael Jackson songs. Five are in the top ten... "Man in the Mirror" is currently #2. Posted By: EdisonLite Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 8:46am Santi Paradoa wrote: My favorites are four ballads Michael recorded as a teenager while still on Motown: "Music And Me," "One Day In Your Life," My favorite is "One Day In Your Life". Just a real beautiful ballad. Posted By: aaronk Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 9:03am The top 15 best selling albums on amazon.com right now are all MJ/J5 albums. Looking at the top 50 amazon.com bestsellers in music, 32 albums are MJ/J5. Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 9:56am Santi Paradoa wrote: By the way, Hip-OSelect has a 3-disc set to be released in July titled "Hello World-The Complete Motown Solo Collection" with all of Michael's Motown solo recordings. Yeah, I wasn't planning on getting that, but I'm probably going to now. Posted By: torcan Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 10:13am "Thriller" is still one of my favorite albums. You can't think of the great music of 1983 without thinking about it. I've got every album from "Off the Wall" to "Invincible" and think he continued to make great music well into the '90s. RIP. Posted By: eriejwg Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 11:12am Heard last night that "Billie jean" almost didn't make the cut on Thriller. Posted By: RichM921 Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 12:11pm As we all know, Thriller produced 7 huge singles out of the 9 tracks. At that time he was so hot that just about anything he put out could sell a million copies. I'm wondering why Epic didn't release the other two songs as singles as they were sure to have been Top 10 singles too. After "Thriller" was leaving the Top 40, I recall Q105 in Tampa playing "The Lady In My Life" which wasn't released as a commercial single, but was it released as a promo single? Maybe Q105 started spinning the song as a hunch that it might the next single. Posted By: budaniel Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 12:40pm I don't know if Billie Jean was going to be removed from the record completely at one point, but I remember a report that both Billie Jean and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' were both big problems because they both ran over 6 minutes long and Quincy Jones told Michael they had to be shortened to fit on a regular vinyl record with all the other tracks. Michael was devastated because he felt cutting them would take away from how he meant them to be, but he was finally convinced to edit them down because he was reassured that the full length versions could be released on 12" single. So there really isn't a 12" mix of Billie Jean, it's actually the full length recording. And ironically, I think the long version of Wanna Be is only like 30 seconds longer than the album length. Can't wait to listen to them both tonight after work. Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 1:20pm budaniel wrote: I don't know if Billie Jean was going to be removed from the record completely at one point, but I remember a report that both Billie Jean and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' were both big problems because they both ran over 6 minutes long and Quincy Jones told Michael they had to be shortened to fit on a regular vinyl record with all the other tracks. Michael was devastated because he felt cutting them would take away from how he meant them to be, but he was finally convinced to edit them down because he was reassured that the full length versions could be released on 12" single. So there really isn't a 12" mix of Billie Jean, it's actually the full length recording. And ironically, I think the long version of Wanna Be is only like 30 seconds longer than the album length. Can't wait to listen to them both tonight after work. I've always speculated that, that the "extended" versions of "Billie Jean" and "Wanna Be" were actually the original "album versions." Where did you hear this? Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 1:27pm Lisa Marie Presley just posted this on her MySpace page: Lisa Marie wrote: He Knew. Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general. I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death. At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did." I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that. 14 years later   I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears. A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened. The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy. All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted. I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once. Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much. I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened. His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then. At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself. He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated. When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad. Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions. I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him. I was in over my head while trying. I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision. The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow. After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret. Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation. At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now. As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted. Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him. He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together. I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now. He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be. I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is. The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right. I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening. ~LMP Posted By: budaniel Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 2:17pm Actually, I heard it years ago, and I think it was even from Quincy Jones' very mouth. It may have been some documentary show or something. Either that or I read it in the liner notes of one of the various "special edition" reissues of Thriller? To this day, I'm surprised that the long versions of Billie Jean and Wanna Be were not included as bonus tracks on any of the reissues. Posted By: eric_a Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 2:53pm I've heard a variation on that story -- I think it's in the Billboard Book of #1 Albums (or maybe #1 Singles). The story goes that MJ and Quincy Jones had already completed the album and were previewing an acetate test pressing with too much time squeezed onto each side. MJ was devastated by the lousy sound, and after a good cry, they went back to the studio the next day to start cutting. Based on this story, the edits didn't take much persuasion on Jones' part. Posted By: budaniel Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 3:51pm YES! The story I remember also said Michael was actually crying. and there was definitely mention of the fairly new format called the 12" single being a damper on the problem. In fact, I believe on the ORIGINAL 12" for Billie Jean it was called the LONG version, not the club mix, extended mix, or anything like that. And the long version definitely has vocal parts NOT on the original album version, which makes it pretty obvious the song was at least recorded in a longer length, even if it was never meant to be on the album. Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 8:45pm I remember the story of Thriller originally being ten songs and that the test pressing sounded so horribly compressed that they remixed the entire album, including shortening some songs and getting rid of one song (which may have been Carousel). I don't recall reading in either Quincy's or Michael's autobiographies that the original versions were released on the 12-inch singles. I sure wish that they would release the original mix of the album, all ten songs. It would be fascinating to hear. Posted By: edtop40 Date Posted: 27 June 2009 at 8:40am do you think now that he's dead, SOMEONE, would get all the 45, single versions released as a set?? ------------- edtop40 Posted By: torcan Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 7:18am budaniel wrote: And the long version definitely has vocal parts NOT on the original album version, which makes it pretty obvious the song was at least recorded in a longer length, even if it was never meant to be on the album. Just wondering out loud...isn't that true of any 12-inch single? Most of the ones I've got have vocal and instrumental parts not on the album or 45. Is it the case of an artist going back to the studio to record takes for upcoming 12-inch singles at a later date, or were they all recorded at the original sessions and just used when it came time for the single? Posted By: torcan Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 7:23am RichM921 wrote: As we all know, Thriller produced 7 huge singles out of the 9 tracks. At that time he was so hot that just about anything he put out could sell a million copies. I'm wondering why Epic didn't release the other two songs as singles as they were sure to have been Top 10 singles too. After "Thriller" was leaving the Top 40, I recall Q105 in Tampa playing "The Lady In My Life" which wasn't released as a commercial single, but was it released as a promo single? Maybe Q105 started spinning the song as a hunch that it might the next single. I always wondered why "The Lady in My Life" wasn't released as a single. In late 1983, Billboard ran an article on the success of the album, and had mentioned that "Human Nature" was originally supposed to be the last single. It goes on to state that "PYT", "Thriller" and possilby "The Lady in My Life" after that will all be released as singles. After the top 10 success of "PYT" and "Thriller" (and the buzz surrounding the video) the album shot back to No. 1 in early 1984 for several more months. Maybe Epic figured if it's back at No. 1 there was no need for an eighth single(?) It's too bad as I'm sure that would have gone top 10 too. I'd love to know the real reason! Posted By: aaronk Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 8:11am torcan wrote: Is it the case of an artist going back to the studio to record takes for upcoming 12-inch singles at a later date, or were they all recorded at the original sessions and just used when it came time for the single? I would guess you are correct in that most cases the artist does not go back to the studio to record extra vocals for a 12" mix. They're probably just vocals that weren't used on the other versions. "Billie Jean" is a somewhat unique case, though, in that the album version was edited down from the "Long Version." I'm sure there are other examples of this happening, but I would guess it is more the exception rather than the rule. Posted By: eriejwg Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 4:05pm As you might expect, sellers of Jackson product have increased selling prices substantially. Even for vinyl 45's, the "buy it now' prices start around $30.00 and increase upwards. Posted By: budaniel Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 5:51pm In the 80s, sometimes the 12" versions were actually just the album versions marketed as 12" singles. Many dance artists had long versions on their albums that were edited down for the radio. OR, for example, as in the case with "What a Feelin" by Irene Cara, there was obviously a longer version recorded with an extra verse, and that was edited down for inclusion on the Flashdance soundtrack. Artists usually didn't have ANY input on extended versions, so it wasn't very often that a 12" version had parts recorded specifically by the artist for an extended version. Exceptions included artists like Prince, who would actually record extra material for long versions. But remixers sometimes used studio musicians to add parts--take the 12" of Dancing in the Dark by Bruce Springsteen. There was definitely a recording session done with a whole lot of female background singers creating new vocal parts in the chorus on the 12" mix. Many 12" single versions were remixed and extended by a remixer/producer simply using the original master tapes and reworking all the vocals and instrument tracks to extend the song. The 80s were definitely the pinnacle of the 12" single phenomenon. They just don't make extended versions like that anymore! Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 2:19pm Have you guys heard this? This relates to what we were saying in the past couple posts about the album being shortened before release. Check this out -- the full, unedited "The Lady in My Life" with an extra chorus and verse. The first chorus and second verse were simply snipped out for the final album version. This must be from the original, 50-minute version of the album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rW6NQTYjzw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rW6NQTYjzw Posted By: budaniel Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 8:32pm okay, this is just ridiculous. I had NO idea THAT track was an edit--but someone mentions in the comments that the missing verse is even included on the lyric sheet with the album! SERIOUSLY, with TWO special editions of Thriller released in the last decade, they couldn't have FINALLY given us the full length album as Michael meant it to be??? Maybe NOW they will? Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 9:49pm budaniel wrote: but someone mentions in the comments that the missing verse is even included on the lyric sheet with the album! That was me. Yeah, anyone who has any of the pre-special edition releases of the "Thriller" CD, look at the lyrics to "Lady in My Life" -- the missing verse is there. So is the unused end tag to "Thriller," Vincent Price saying, "Can you dig it?" before he breaks into his laugh. I will assume the lyrics went to the printer before the album was remixed and chopped down. Posted By: Hykker Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 5:33am torcan wrote: After the top 10 success of "PYT" and "Thriller" (and the buzz surrounding the video) the album shot back to No. 1 in early 1984 for several more months. Maybe Epic figured if it's back at No. 1 there was no need for an eighth single(?) It's too bad as I'm sure that would have gone top 10 too. I'd love to know the real reason! Curiously, what did they use as B sides on the "Thrilller" singles? Older cuts from "Off The Wall", or did they recycle B sides like they did with Cyndi Lauper singles from "She's So Unusual"? All my 80s MJ singles are promos. Posted By: Nick2341 Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 7:46am Brian W. wrote: Have you guys heard this? This relates to what we were saying in the past couple posts about the album being shortened before release. Check this out -- the full, unedited "The Lady in My Life" with an extra chorus and verse. The first chorus and second verse were simply snipped out for the final album version. This must be from the original, 50-minute version of the album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rW6NQTYjzw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rW6NQTYjzw This version has been released on some highly random promo CD. Unfortunately I can't remember exactly which one it's from, but I think it's a Quincy Jones CD. I'll research and get back on that! EDIT: It's a Rod Temperton CD titled "The Songs of Rod Temperton." Found a person who has it, but won't share the song in lossless. Posted By: cmmmbase Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 8:49am Curiously, what did they use as B sides on the "Thrilller" singles? Older cuts from "Off The Wall", or did they recycle B sides like they did with Cyndi Lauper singles from "She's So Unusual"? All my 80s MJ singles are promos. [/QUOTE] US 45 b-sides: "The Girl Is Mine", "Billie Jean" and "Thriller" had "Can't Get Outta The Rain", a non lp cut as the flip side. "Beat It" used the Off The Wall cut "Get On The Floor" as its flip side. "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" used an instrumental version. "Human Nature" had Thriller lp cut "Baby Be Mine". "PYT" utilized a live version of "Working Day And Night" from the Jacksons 1981 live album. Posted By: budaniel Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 11:21am kind of glad they cut out the "Can you dig it" by Vincent Price! That would have been ridiculous, even back in 1983!!! Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 1:12pm Nick2341 wrote: It's a Rod Temperton CD titled "The Songs of Rod Temperton." Found a person who has it, but won't share the song in lossless. The bastard! Posted By: Brian W. Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 11:13pm Whew! Billboard's Hot Digital Songs chart is out for the week ending Sunday. Mostly Michael. Very interesting to get digital totals for his songs. (And surprising to see the high ranking of P.Y.T.) Hot Digital Songs represents all versions of the song, from all albums, combined together. I've rearranged these in order of total sales to date (which is the far right column). The chart postition they occupy on the chart is on the left. So here are all Michael's and the Jackson 5's entries on Hot Digital Songs, for the chart week ending this past Sunday: -- 2 JACKSON*MICHAEL THRILLER 167444 999 4586 1401897 -- 4 JACKSON*MICHAEL BILLIE JEAN 158493 999 3898 1084127 -- 7 JACKSON*MICHAEL BEAT IT 133765 999 3792 862137 -- 9 JACKSON*MICHAEL DON'T STOP 'TIL YOU GET ENOUGH 125332 999 2853 789468 -- 14 JACKSON*MICHAEL P.Y.T. (PRETTY YOUNG THING) 105801 999 2685 563142 -- 31 JACKSON 5 I WANT YOU BACK 64186 999 2211 562363 -- 34 JACKSON 5 ABC 60020 999 2416 556574 -- 6 JACKSON*MICHAEL WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL 136330 999 1893 538464 -- 3 JACKSON*MICHAEL MAN IN THE MIRROR 164642 999 1589 473816 -- 12 JACKSON*MICHAEL SMOOTH CRIMINAL 111118 999 1532 456928 -- 17 JACKSON*MICHAEL ROCK WITH YOU 89581 999 1373 399997 -- 20 JACKSON*MICHAEL WANNA BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN' 76859 999 1022 380601 -- 13 JACKSON*MICHAEL BLACK OR WHITE 109584 999 959 299223 -- 29 JACKSON 5 I'LL BE THERE 65873 999 3407 285044 -- 23 JACKSON*MICHAEL BAD 73718 999 753 226204 -- 32 JACKSON*MICHAEL DIRTY DIANA 62433 999 752 200980 -- 37 JACKSON*MICHAEL HUMAN NATURE 57138 999 753 192155 -- 50 JACKSONS SHAKE YOUR BODY (DOWN TO THE G 40877 999 681 187341 -- 35 JACKSON*MICHAEL REMEMBER THE TIME 58748 999 746 175741 -- 51 JACKSON*MICHAEL OFF THE WALL 40809 999 564 168699 -- 28 JACKSON*MICHAEL YOU ARE NOT ALONE 66827 999 429 155373 -- 78 U.S.A. FOR AFRICA WE ARE THE WORLD 27033 999 601 149204 -- 48 JACKSON*MICHAEL WILL YOU BE THERE 41816 999 522 127506 -- 62 JACKSON*MICHAEL YOU ROCK MY WORLD 33426 999 367 121209 -- 72 JACKSON 5 NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE 29493 999 565 115632 -- 125 JACKSON 5 DANCING MACHINE 16375 999 431 108584 -- 143 JACKSON*MICHAEL ROCKIN' ROBIN 14510 999 471 106232 -- 70 JACKSON*MICHAEL SCREAM 29715 999 317 99348 -- 115 JACKSON 5 LOVE YOU SAVE 17765 999 449 96793 -- 75 JACKSON*MICHAEL BEN 29082 999 363 89899 -- 84 JACKSON*MICHAEL GIRL IS MINE 24919 999 266 89522 -- 116 JACKSONS CAN YOU FEEL IT? 17657 999 325 83031 -- 142 JACKSON*MICHAEL BUTTERFLIES 14533 999 280 77063 -- 91 JACKSON*MICHAEL SHE'S OUT OF MY LIFE 21577 999 204 69484 -- 96 JACKSON 5 GOT TO BE THERE 20361 999 324 68162 -- 100 JACKSON*MICHAEL WORKING DAY AND NIGHT 19598 999 290 64144 -- 137 JACKSON*MICHAEL LADY IN MY LIFE 15128 999 205 56110 -- 108 JACKSON*MICHAEL I JUST CAN'T STOP LOVING YOU 18338 999 156 53975 -- 136 JACKSON 5 WHO'S LOVIN' YOU 15288 999 373 52871 -- 109 JACKSON*MICHAEL HEAL THE WORLD 18247 999 141 51166 -- 120 MCCARTNEY*PAUL & MICHAEL JACKS SAY SAY SAY 16685 999 279 50305 -- 119 JACKSON*MICHAEL IN THE CLOSET 16960 999 139 46875 -- 112 JACKSON*MICHAEL LEAVE ME ALONE 17930 999 128 44030 -- 162 JACKSON*MICHAEL JAM 11984 999 128 35390 -- 169 JACKSON*MICHAEL THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US 11621 999 128 35052 -- 152 JACKSON*MICHAEL ANOTHER PART OF ME 12805 999 100 33185 -- 195 JACKSON*MICHAEL EARTH SONG 9907 999 107 32624 -- 158 JACKSON*MICHAEL GIVE IN TO ME 12506 999 92 28846 -- 178 JACKSON*MICHAEL WHO IS IT 11025 999 87 27918 -- 199 JACKSON*MICHAEL WE ARE THE WORLD (DEMO) 9675 999 37 24190 Posted By: eric_a Date Posted: 05 July 2009 at 9:14am Brian W. wrote: I remember the story of Thriller originally being ten songs and that the test pressing sounded so horribly compressed that they remixed the entire album, including shortening some songs and getting rid of one song (which may have been Carousel). You can read more about this - and more about Thriller - in a great new Billboard story. Page 4 discusses the re-editing and remix. http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/exclusive-how-michael-ja ckson-s-thriller-1003990525.story?pn=1

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