Barry Manilow - Foul Play soundtrack
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Topic: Barry Manilow - Foul Play soundtrack
Posted By: Roscoe
Subject: Barry Manilow - Foul Play soundtrack
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 7:28pm
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There's a thread currently active on the BSN forum regarding a recent CD reissue of the "Foul Play" by an obscure label called Intrada. This CD apparently contains the stereo version of "Ready To Take A Chance Again" as well as what is suspected to be the short 45 version of "Copacabana".
One of the members posted a sample of both songs, which raises the following questions with regard to "Ready To Take A Chance Again": - There is a clear mix difference between the stereo version on this clip and the commonly available mono version, mainly a prominent harp at :25 on the mono version that is absent on the stereo clip. Does anyone know which mix appeared on the 45? We may have a 45 vs. LP distinction here. - Was this song's appearance on the original LP soundtrack in stereo (and was it the mix referenced in the BSN clip)? - Was the 45 mono or stereo? From the brief clip, it sounds like the soundtrack was given a nice, neutral transfer, which is always appreciated. And a good sounding CD source of the short 45 version of "Copacabana" is a bonus, since that can be hard to find (I finally found the correct version of the original GH CD that contains the short 45 version). http://bsnpubs.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3518465 - Foul Play thread |
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 11:00pm
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The 45 was mono. I believe the soundtrack album version was always stereo, since I recall Tom Daly saying, in reply to speculation that no one knew where the stereo master for the song was, that he knew exactly where the stereo master was: it was on the soundtrack master for the film.
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 12:41am
| I disagree. My recollection is that the 45 was always stereo. The dj 45 was mono/stereo. The "Greatest Hits" LP was always mono. And the "Foul Play" ST LP was always stereo. And whenever anyone wanted to use the song for a CD they always took the "Greatest Hits" LP master (i.e. mono) as their source, since that's the only "Barry Manilow" album it's from. Why they couldn't go to the 45 master tape source is beyond me. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 12:55am
Well, I'll defer to you, since I don't have a recollection of it. But I'm quite sure I've been told the 45 was mono. |
EdisonLite wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 6:53am
| Was the harp that Roscoe mentioned at :27 on the 45? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 11:30am
| Anyone with details on a commercial or promo 45 and the harp? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 5:40pm
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Although labeled "stereo," the "Ready To Take A Chance Again" http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/BarryManilow-ReadyToTakeAChanceAgai.jpg - commercial 45 is neither (M) nor (S). It is (E), with only some extra reverb to differentiate it from the http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/BarryManilow-ReadyToTakeAChanceA-1.jpg - mono side of the DJ 45. My DJ 45's stereo side is identical to my stock copy; in fact, they're from the same stamper.
The harp is loud and clear at the 25-second mark on the stock 45 and both sides of the promo. A couple of other peculiarities about the 45: (1) There are a couple of audible clicks from :42-:43 on all three configurations. (2) There's a pronounced splice at 2:28 (just before the word "ready") that is much more obvious on the stereo sides, due to the tape having been cut at an angle on the splicing block. The mono DJ 45 side smooths it out somewhat. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 7:27pm
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John:
Thanks for the detailed info. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 7:45pm
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John - (E) in 1978!?! Although mono in 1978 sounds just as ridiculous to me. The only mono pop hits I can think of that charted after that were "Rock This Town", the 45 of "I Melt With You", and Black Box's "I Don't Know Anybody Else"... Can anyone else think of more?
I hauled out The Essential Barry Manilow and it's indeed mono! I did an out-of-phase-sum (OOPS, to the folks on the Steve Hoffman forum), and it cancels down to about -18 dB. You can tell they used a stereo machine to do the analog transfer, because the edit at 2:28 pops out loud and clear. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 7:57pm
Ron, it's true! I'm shocked, too... well, no, actually. I never noticed the electronic stereo before, since I was working at an AM station at the time the song was a current. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 8:15pm
Just for grins, I hauled out my picture disc copy of Barry's Greatest Hits LP, where the cut is also in mono. And the edit pops out just as you'd described it, from a stereo machine. Kinda weird, though, putting a needle to Manilow's face on the turntable. It's like performing acupuncture! Do I need a license to do that? ;) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 12:18am
Great info, Roscoe! It should also be noted that the Foul Play CD is being issued as a limited edition pressing of only 2,000 copies. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 9:02am
| So if the commercial 45, dj 45 and Manilow LP ("Greatest Hits") all have only (E) or (M) versions of the song, did the song only exist in stereo back then on the "Foul Play" soundtrack? How odd if that's the case. Can anyone check the "Foul Play" LP (not CD) and see if it's actually (E) there, too? If so, I wonder where the stereo version (that has shown up on one Manilow German compilation CD and the Foul Play CD) originated from. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 11:49am
| I have as question about this Intrada label issue of the "Foul Play" soundtrack. Don't major labels these days have a 10,000 to 15,000 minimum pressing requirement when they license product from their vaults for reissue? If so then how can Intrada offer a limited editon of 2,000 pressings? This sounds to me like a bootleg release. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 1:09pm
| It depends on the label. Hip-O only pressed 4,000 or 5,000 of some of the Complete Motown series. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 1:17pm
| But Hip-O is a subsidiary of a major label so they can release whatever they want in whatever quantity they want. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 1:28pm
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True. But they're located in Oakland, CA, and they have too many major issues on their own Intrada label, such as the two-disc soundtrack to "Alien," for me to believe they're not licensed.
Besides, a poster on BSN received his copy and it says it's manufactured by Sony, distrubted by Intrada. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 7:07pm
| I, too, get the sense they're legit and not bootleg; I just ordered 2 Intrada CDs - "Foul Play" and "Harry & the Hendersons" soundtrack (in order to get the #14 AC hit "Love Lives On" by Joe Cocker - a great song co-written by Barry Mann. This song has never been released on CD anywhere in the world, so I should be able to tell if they used a master tape source or cleaned vinyl. But from what I read on their website and what I discovered talking to the label on the phone a couple days ago, I did not get the sense they're a bootleg label. Also, I don't think the "2000 copies" should be an indicator of something that may be a bootleg. I know that American Beat was able to license albums from Universal with a much smaller minimum pressing than 10K or 15K (I think 5K or less) and this was due to the relationship between the person who ran American Beat and the person at Universal. A lot of it depends on personal relationships. My guess is that since Intrada has nearly 100 soundtrack releases, they've probably developed a good reputation and formed relationships that allow them to press less copies. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 21 June 2009 at 7:08pm
| BTW, when I receive both CDs, I'll study them closely on headphones and report back about the sound quality and if I think the CDs are legit. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 6:51am
Are they carving out a small niche as the "hard to find soundtrack reissues" label? If that were the case, I have some recommendations for them, such as National Lampoon's Vacation, Teachers, Summer School. Some soundtrack albums have songs that, while not top 40 hits, had a big impact in terms of radio play or simply because the movie was so popular. Examples include Lindsey Buckingham's "Holiday Road" and "One Foot Back In Your Door" by Roman Holiday from the Teachers soundtrack. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 9:03am
| Well, good news for you, Roscoe, the "Teachers" soundtrack has been out since the beginning (and not on Intrada). I bought that soundtrack CD to get Joe Cocker's "Edge of a Dream". As for all your other suggestions, I don't think Intrada will even touch those, as I had called on Friday to suggest releasing soundtracks of "Voices" and "Sixteen Candles" and they said they won't release soundtracks that have mostly pop songs. They only release soundtrack albums that are virtually all score music, and if a pop song or two is on there, then OK. So soundtracks that are collections of pop songs - they have no interest in making money in THAT market! |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 7:25pm
Unfortunately, the Teachers soundtrack is out of print and now commands quite high prices in the used market. Don't understand their strategy...isn't Foul Play largely composed of pop songs?! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 11:10pm
| That's a good question. Other than the 2 Barry songs, are there other pop songs on there? I've never owned the soundtrack, so I don't know off the top of my head, but I'll certainly know when the CD arrives. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 5:01am
I don't recall ever hearing those songs, but was "Understanding" by Bob Seger available anywhere but the Teachers strk? |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 5:17am
I believe it's on his Greatest Hits, Volume 2 CD. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 6:26pm
| I bought the Foul Play soundtrack CD a while ago, and meant to report here. It does contain the correct version of "Ready To Take a Chance Again" - in STEREO. S this is the first domestic CD to have this version. Only one foreign CD has this version, as far as I can tell. I will compare the two and see just how the quality is on the Foul Play CD. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 19 June 2020 at 8:52am
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Anyone tried doing a sync of the mono and stereo versions of "Ready To Take A Chance Again" to get the harp that appears on the hit 45 on to the stereo version? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 May 2025 at 3:37pm
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I guess "E" can stand for any kind of electronic manipulation. When looking at "ready to take a chance again" in the database, I was surprised to see all the E entries as I always thought it was mono. But here, unlike many "E" tracks where one channel is shifted slightly to give the effect of stereo, the E manipulation is simply a mono version with stereo reverb added to it. Unless I'm misunderstanding what is posted earlier in this post. Also, I noticed in the database, one Barry Manilow song (Copacabana) was a re-recording on the CD "Songs in the Key of Red". I'm surprised. I've never known him to re-record any of his songs years later. Kind of a cheap thing to do, and he is REALLY particular about what gets released on CD. He, and not Arista/Sony/BMG, has total say on what recordings of his get released on what. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 May 2025 at 3:39pm
| Oh also, I'm curious to people's thoughts - as far as the nearly mono 45 of "Ready to Take a Chance Again" in 1978 - as to whether this was an oversight/mistake or done intentionally. |