Byrds - EIGHT MILES HIGH
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Topic: Byrds - EIGHT MILES HIGH
Posted By: davidclark
Subject: Byrds - EIGHT MILES HIGH
Date Posted: 21 September 2008 at 9:06am
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Pat, you state that the Original Singles 1965-67 early pressings had the commercial 45 version but the remastered pressings include the LP version. Is the LP version on the remastered pressing stereo or mono?
thanks. ------------- dc1 |
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:12pm
| I only own the remastered version which contains the LP version and it is mono. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 13 September 2013 at 3:33pm
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is there any way to differentiate the 'early pressing' cd
from the later pressings?......maybe a ring number? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 September 2013 at 9:16am
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i just bought the cd the byrds 'the original singles 1965-
1967 volume 1' issued as columbia 37335 and it has the ring groove numbers 'DIDP-070500' on it and it contains the non drum roll ending....does anyone own the cd version WITH the drum roll ending?...if so....could they list the inner ring numbers? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 22 September 2013 at 2:58pm
| I've got you covered, edtop40. :-) Just e-mailed you directly w/ all the info you'll need to obtain a first pressing of that Byrds CD, complete w/ links to ones I found on-line, which you can purchase immediately, and at a reasonable price... |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 27 September 2013 at 3:59pm
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okay.....so i took another one for the team!!.....with the
help of 80smusicfreak, i bought the byrds 'the original singles 1965-1967 volume 1' which was pressed in japan and it STILL doesn't have the correct drum roll ending of 'eight miles high'.....even with all good idea/suggestions we can't find an 'original version' that has the correct drum roll ending.....pat, what does your cd contain in the run out groove.....this pressed in japan cd contains 'CK- 37335-A1C32'.....but you have to read that from the underside of the cd...... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 27 September 2013 at 9:52pm
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Ed, whatever you do, avoid the 2012 Sony Japan Original Singles A's & B's 1965-1971 2-CD set. A good-quality needledrop of a clean original 8MH 45 or the Columbia Hall Of Fame reissue 45 will easily trump the sound quality of the track on this CD (which has very little bottom end and is quite compressed.) In addition, the end is faded out a little more agressively than it is on the 45, making the final drum roll less obvious.
Either this CD track is sourced from a very poor tape or it's a needledrop. Whatever the source, the bottom line is that 8MH sounds really disappointing on this set. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 28 September 2013 at 7:00am
| Ed, as stated above, I only own the 2nd pressing of "The Original Singles 1965-1967" which features the LP version i.e. without the ending drum roll. The matrix number is DIDP 070500 1. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 September 2013 at 7:36am
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then, how do you know that the originally issued cd has the
correct version, as you state in the db? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 28 September 2013 at 4:28pm
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Just to clarify for fellow board members, before I posted my response to edtop40 six days ago, I read this thread from the beginning, where davidclark first mentioned Pat's notation in his listings re: "Eight Miles High" on CDs of The Original Singles 1965-1967, Volume 1. Since I'm not an on-line database subscriber, I checked my copy of the 10th edition of Pat's book, and sure enough, there he states for this song & CD, "(Early pressings of this cd had the commercial 45 version but the remastered pressings include the LP version)"; therefore, I assume the on-line database still retains that same comment to this day...
While I've owned The Original Singles 1965-1967, Volume 1 on cassette for some 25+ years now, I admit I don't have have any pressing of it on CD. But as I've mentioned here previously, I travel all over the northeast, scouring used record stores for vintage/audiophile/collectible CDs; the ones I don't keep for myself I end up selling or trading to my brother, who does quite well selling them on eBay, and elsewhere. Anyway, point being, I immediately remembered that The Original Singles 1965-1967, Volume 1 was indeed one of the first CDs released on the U.S. market circa 1983-84, as I'd found a vintage Japan-for-U.S. pressing of that very title about two years ago, which would make that version the first - and therefore, unquestionably meet Pat's criteria of "early", when looking for a copy w/ the 45 version of "Eight Miles High", w/ the drum-roll ending. Alas, I elected to give that copy to my brother at the time (who's long since sold it), and I admit that before letting him have it, I didn't cross-check the top 40 hits on the CD w/ the info in Pat's book, nor did I actually listen to it - so I don't know for sure which version of "Eight Miles High" was on it... But going under the assumption that Pat's book/database note was accurate, after reading edtop40's post six days ago, I knew that I could help him. It was clear to me from the matrix info that he gave in his post that he certainly didn't have a first pressing of Original Singles, so I checked for him on eBay, and noticed that there were at least three copies of the original Japan-for-U.S. pressing on Columbia CK 37335 being offered. So I e-mailed him directly, explaining to him what he needed to look for, and steered him toward those three early copies... :-)
Well, all I can say is, there's no question you now have a first pressing of that CD, ed - and honestly, I'm very surprised (and disappointed) to learn it didn't have the correct version of "Eight Miles High" that you were looking for! I can definitely cite plenty of other examples where the first pressings of certain CDs contain different versions of a song (or songs) on them...
Yes, that now becomes the $64,000 question here - and one that I'm afraid only Pat can answer. Perhaps the info he originally got was second-hand, and the CD that person had was actually an import??? That's my best guess, at this point... |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 28 September 2013 at 7:38pm
| That information was published in a printed review of the cd when it was first issued which was written by Marty Natchez so if anyone knows how to contact Marty these days he can supply you with the matrix number you are seeking. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 9:30pm
| I believe Marty Natchez is still an active member of the Both Sides Now message board ( www.bsnpubs.com - www.bsnpubs.com ). Perhaps someone can attempt to get in contact with him there? |
Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 10:14am
| I have a set called The Original Singles 1965-1971 A's & B's and compared it to a needle drop from what appears to be the original Columbia 45 on You Tube and couldn't detect a difference in the ending. It's from Sony Music Japan International Inc. SICP 3467-8 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 6:29am
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so bitman, that cd
The Original Singles 1965-1971 A's & B's contains the drum roll ending?....please confirm.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 7:07am
Um, sounds like the same Japanese 2-CD set that Yah Shure said to "avoid" upthread, ed...
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Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 7:36am
| The Byrds 1965-71 is a 2-CD set. Comparing to the needle drop on YouTube they sound the same. At 3:30 there's a cymbal crash that fades until about 3:33 when the drum roll comes in. However, on both my CD and the needle drop, the drums are at a very low level, but they are there |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 12:06pm
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I did a side-by-side-by-side wave file comparison of the following three mono sources of "Eight Miles High" (8MH):
1) The Byrds Original Singles A's & B's 1965-1971 (Sony Japan SICP 3467-8, 2012 release.) 2) Fifth Dimension (Sony Japan Blu-spec CD SICP 20374, 2012 release.) This CD includes both the mono LP mixes (the mono "8MH" among these) and stereo LP mixes, plus three mono bonus tracks. 3) Columbia Hall Of Fame 33097 reissue 45 (mid-'70s red label pressing with $1.29 list "starburst" symbol.) A few observations: **All three of these sources include the full drum roll at the end. ** The track from the Sony Japan Fifth Dimension Blu-spec CD (#2 above) appears to have experienced some tape damage, but otherwise, it sounds pretty close to (#3) the HOF reissue 45, except for its speed. This CD track runs about 1.185 seconds faster than the 45. ** The track from #1 (The Byrds Original Singles A's & B's 1965-1971) sounds horrendous when compared with either #2 or #3 above. Both the top and bottom ends are shaved off, and the shrill middle that remains is compressed. This track sounds bad from the very first bass guitar note. ** The drum roll: A look at a wave file of #1 clearly shows what the ear reveals: the ending is faded out. Yes, the entire drum roll is present; however, the fade begins just before the drum roll itself does, thereby diminishing its impact. This was likely done to mask the noise from the poor source used for this track. The kick drum during the drum roll suffers a 1-2 punch here, due to the combination of the fade and the shaved-off bottom end. This is not the case with either (#2) or (#3), where the intact bottom end and lack of fading allows the drum roll to come through in spite of the low volume. You can feel the beats on these two, whereas (#1) sounds like dull thuds. I would recommend (#3) first, followed by (#2). Although Sony Japan issued these Byrds CDs at the same time in 2012, the mono sources used for The Byrds Original Singles A's & B's 1965-1971 are not necessarily the same as the ones utilized on the five Blu-spec individual Byrds album titles (which, like Fifth Dimension, feature both the mono and stereo mixes, plus mono bonus tracks, some of which are singles.) One additional word about The Byrds Original Singles A's & B's 1965-1971: "8MH" notwithstanding, this 2-CD set isn't a complete wash; it's just that some tape sources are not as good as others, and "8MH" happens to be a real basket case here. As for the older The Original Singles 1965-1967 collection: I bought the original CBS UK LP when it came out in the early '80s and found its quality to be substantially below that of the original US Columbia 45s. This LP was also marred by numerous tape dropouts. Stung by this purchase, I never bought the CD when it appeared later, and by all accounts I've read, it was even worse than the 1980 vinyl LP. Have matters improved at all with this title over the years? |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 17 October 2013 at 1:09pm
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The Hall Of Fame 45 single reissues still to this day slay
any of the CD singles collections. And they are cheap, and easy to find and usually in a lot better condition than the original issues. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 12 November 2013 at 3:37pm
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Hey Pat, I just got this reply from Marty Natchez:
"Pat's recollection of me reviewing a CD of The Byrds' "A's & B's" is inaccurate. I only own the U.K. LPs of Vols. 1 & 2 on CBS. I read elsewhere that both compilations were poorly mastered, so I never even played them. I just looked and can confirm that I don't have the CD in my collection. I'd love to learn the source of Pat's attribution to me for having reviewed the releases." ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 13 November 2013 at 2:30pm
| Tom and anyone else that is interested.....I scanned a copy of his review but cannot get it to post in this chat board but if anyone wants a copy, just pass along your email address and I will be glad to forward you a copy of his review. For some reason the Byrds A's & B's cd has entered into the discussion and that is not the cd I am referencing. I am referencing The Original Singles 1965-1967 Volume 1 Columbia 37335 and that is the cd I thought we were discussing in this discussion of Eight Miles High. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 8:40pm
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Sorry to threadbump, but I'm confused about something else--was the promo 45 (without the drum roll at the end) the same as the LP version?
(Assuming the promo was also in mono.) If so, then would the CDs labeled as being mono and having the LP version essentially have the promo 45 version? Or do they differ in some way other than mono/stereo? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: ChicagoBill
Date Posted: 28 April 2020 at 1:58pm
| Doug, Let's talk just vinyl. My white label 45 RPM single (radio station copy) Eight Miles High, has NO drum roll at the end (Matrix #ZSP113505-1E). My stock copy (Matrix #ZSP11305-2G) does have the drum roll. Next, the database does not differentiate between Mono and Stereo. My Byrds LP 'Fifth Dimension'(that I bought in Sept. 1966 while I was in High School) CL 2549, Mono #114237 1c, has the drum roll. My Byrds 'Original Singles 1965-1967' LP (FC 37335) has the drum roll, but unlike 'Fifth Dimension', I don't think it's an early pressing, due to the fact it has a bar code on the back and a late 80's Columbia label. -Bill. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 30 June 2020 at 8:22pm
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ChicagoBill, any chance the drum roll would have appeared
on a later pressing 45, whether promo or stock copy? Could very well have happened. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: ChicagoBill
Date Posted: 02 July 2020 at 9:13am
| Possibly, I think the clue is in the matrix number. I purchased my original single in April. Then in late July I happened to see 'Eight Miles High' with a picture sleeve. I grabbed them both. They had a matrix number ZSP 113505-2F. All of the stock copies have the drum roll. I didn't get the 'promo' copy until many years later. I think the stock copies were pressed in Terre Haute, Indiana and the 'promos' were pressed in New Jersey. Even my Columbia Hall Of Fame reissues (Columbia 33097) pressed in the early 80's have the drum roll. Of course, what are we talking about, I think the drum roll is at -26db, so the engineers were in the process of a fade, anyway. -Bill. |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 04 July 2020 at 12:25pm
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As far as I know, the single and LP of "Eight Miles
High" should all be the same recording with a drum roll at the end. This was the band's remake of the song that their record company forced them to record at Columbia. They had already tracked the song at RCA studios in Los Angeles December 22, 1965 but Columbia Records apparently refused to release it as it hadn't been recorded in one of their studios and would have caused them problems with one of the unions. Therefore, they had to re-record the song and the band wasn't as satisfied with the results. They all deemed the RCA version as the better one. Sundazed eventually released the RCA version of "Eight Miles High" with the RCA version of "Why" on the B-side as a collectible RSD 45 in 2011. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: star883don
Date Posted: 19 August 2021 at 6:48pm
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Hi. New to the Forum and I've been wanting to find an
answer to Eight Miles High. Realizing this original discussion is over 7 years old, I'm curious as to whether this is still the only Cd that has the drum roll ending? 2) Fifth Dimension (Sony Japan Blu-spec CD SICP 20374, 2012 release. The #3 option listed in an earlier post is only a 45. Thanks Don |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 August 2021 at 10:50am
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I have "Eight Miles High" in mono, with the drum roll
ending, on Original Singles A's & B's 1965-1971. https://www.discogs.com/The-Byrds-Original-Singles-As-Bs- 1965-1971/release/5857390 ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 20 August 2021 at 2:08pm
Welcome to the forum, Don! Can't believe it's been almost eight years high since I made that post. The two CDs (and one 45) I mentioned in it were simply because those were the only three sources I had for the mono 45 with the drum roll ending. There could be other CD sources as well, but if so, I'm not aware of them. If sound quality isn't a concern, then either options 2 or 1 (the A's & B's 1965-1971 CD John mentioned above) will do, but if it does matter, go for the Fifth Dimension CD in option #2. It's too bad the Sony Japan discs are comparatively expensive. |
Posted By: Bounder's Bay
Date Posted: 20 August 2021 at 5:18pm
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I'm pretty sure it's the lead track on this CD:
https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Psychedelic-Years-Vol-1-1966-1969-America/release/6396389 - The Psychedelic Years Vol. 1 1966-1969 |
Posted By: MikeM
Date Posted: 20 August 2021 at 7:04pm
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I have versions of the song that seem to have different
endings. I don't know if it's because one version is in stereo and the other in mono or what. One is from the Singles CD from the Byrds and the other is from the Flower Power CD. The one on the Singles CD that I have appears to have the correct drumroll. |
Posted By: MikeM
Date Posted: 20 August 2021 at 7:08pm
Yes, I do believe that is the correct one. An even better version than the one on the Singles CD. |
Posted By: star883don
Date Posted: 24 August 2021 at 4:14pm
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Yea, too bad no one on Discogs has it for sale! ha.
The Fifth Dimension CD starts at $90 from US sellers. Geez. |