SIMPLY RED - "Holding Back The Years"
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Topic: SIMPLY RED - "Holding Back The Years"
Posted By: abagon
Subject: SIMPLY RED - "Holding Back The Years"
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 11:11pm
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SIMPLY RED - "Holding Back The Years"
I have two commercial 45 copies of this song. 1/The actual commercial 45 running time is (4:05), the listed time is "4:04" on the record label. (Elektra 7-69564-A-SP) Matrix # ST-E-69564 A-5 2/The actual commercial 45 running time is (4:07), the listed time is "4:04" on the record label. (Elektra 7-69564-A-AR) Matrix # ST-E-69564 A-4 R-15295 A-4 |
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Posted By: MCT1
Date Posted: 11 September 2008 at 6:11am
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These came from two different pressing plants. The one with "SP" in the master number printed on the label came from Specialty Records in Olyphant, Pennsylvania, while the one with "AR" came from Allied Records in Los Angeles. Both were formerly independent plants which were bought by Warner Music (Warner Bros./Elektra/Atlantic) in the late '70s when Warner decided they wanted have their own in-house plants, though both plants also continued to do pressing work for non-Warner labels. Specialty generally supplied Warner Music pressings to the eastern half of the country, Allied the west.
There was an earlier thread on this song in which it was determined that promo 45s exist in both of these lengths. There was no discussion of the plant codes in the master numbers printed on the labels, but the matrix numbers in the deadwax matched what abagon has reported here. It looks like what was sent to each of Warner Music's plants to press this single did not have the fades done exactly the same, with a couple of seconds' timing difference between them. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:08am
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Not sure if this is reported elsewhere, but the 45 version is not merely an "edit of LP", as printed on the 45 label, but is a remix.
The easiest mix difference to spot is in the first two verses, from 0:13 to 0:55. In the LP mix, the percussion just has a rim shot every other beat. In the 45 mix, every other rim shot has a tambourine hit with it. My commercial 45 runs 4:07, and runs at 87.1 BPM throughout. That's a little faster than the LP mix, which runs at 86.0 BPM throughout. The easiest, and best-sounding, place to find the 45 mix is on the Rhino Like Omigod set (2002). I also have it on the UK 2-CD set Now Smash Hits Of The '80s (1987), and the UK 2-CD Now 1986 (1993), where it's faded a few seconds early to cram 20 songs on one disc. The version on the 50-CD radio promo set The "A" List (1994) is an edit of the LP version that's an unsuccessful attempt to recreate the 45. At least it doesn't have noise reduction. The edit was likely done by TM Century for GoldDisc 914, which matches the version on The "A" List. It looks like this version includes includes some out-of-sequence edits to create a new intro that replaces the LP version, but I didn't spend much time deciphering it. The LP version is otherwise pretty easy to spot, since the intros are very different. The LP version is readily available on Greatest Hits (which, unfortunately, includes all the LP mixes/versions), Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 4 1986-1987 (1999), and Rhino's Millennium New Love Songs (2001). And just FYI, "Holding Back The Years" was originally recorded by Mick Hucknall's earlier band, the Frantic Elevators. The band was very punk-y, and this particular song was a giant evolutionary step from some of their other tracks, like "Every Day I Die". Their version of "Holding" wasn't nearly as lush as Simply Red's, as you might imagine. |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 20 July 2021 at 11:10am
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There is a version of this song on several Simply Red
compilations that runs 4:11. Is this the 45 version, a re-creation of the 45 or another version altogether? Considering how much the hit version differs from the album, it is frustrating that (like so many other hits!) it is so difficult to track down. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 July 2021 at 1:21pm
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Which compilations are you looking at for the 45 version? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 20 July 2021 at 1:47pm
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The discs running about 4:10 or 4:11 have the 45 version running out to the full length of the mixdown tape. This is longer than the actual 45s, which run about 4:05 or 4:07.
There are two US Time-Life compilations that each run about 4:04. These are both digital clones of a UK 2-CD set called Now 1986 (1993), which has great sound but also includes a hastened fade. All of the above are the 45 mix, running at the 45 speed (about 87.0 or 87.1 BPM throughout). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 21 July 2021 at 3:27pm
Isn't there at least one out-of-sequence edit on it as well, making even trying to replicate it (albeit with the LP mix) all the more difficult? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 21 July 2021 at 7:51pm
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And here I thought both the LP and 7" versions were basically edited from the 12" extended version. (well ... other than the LP intro)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ovnoQdyjuI - Extended Version ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 21 July 2021 at 8:49pm
I believe the 45 mix puts a refrain ("I'll keep holdin' on...) between the verse that ends with "...Get to me the sooner or later" and the verse that follows it. That section is instrumental on the LP mix. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 22 July 2021 at 3:38am
It certainly does. And the improvisation at the end uses a different take of "All I have today .... It's all I have to say". The extended version I posted uses this same take, followed by the one on the LP version. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 July 2021 at 9:39pm
IIRC, said instrumental section is what appears at the beginning of the 45, instead of the first 21 seconds of the LP version. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 03 March 2024 at 8:31pm
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There was a 2005 version of this song that charted on
Billboard's Smooth Jazz airplay chart peaking at #13 in 2006. Any idea where this version is from? |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 07 March 2024 at 1:45pm
Would that be the version from the live CUBA! CD/DVD? ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 07 March 2024 at 7:29pm
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Simplified was the ninth studio album by Simply Red, released in October
2005. It featured new, rearranged recordings of the band's older songs including Holding Back the Years. |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 08 March 2024 at 7:02pm
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It must be the "Simplified" version. The year is right and
that version definitely has the sound for Smooth Jazz radio. Thanks for helping figure this out! |