Gerry & Pacemakers Ferry Cross The Mersey
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Topic: Gerry & Pacemakers Ferry Cross The Mersey
Posted By: davidclark
Subject: Gerry & Pacemakers Ferry Cross The Mersey
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 1:27pm
Just downloaded from iTunes the mono version of this from the set "You'll Never Walk Alone [The EMI Years 1963-1966]". It is missing the opening bongos and during the instrumental intro, they are so buried in the mix, I can barely hear them.
Anyone know if this is a new edit/mix, or if is was that way on an original 45 (U.S. or U.K.)?
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dc1
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 6:07pm
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I pulled out my US 45 Laurie 3284 and the bongos are the same on this mono 45 as they are on several stereo cd's like Great Hits on EMI-Manhattan 46583.
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 6:54pm
Hi Pat,
From what I read at Tom Daly's site, none of the stereo mixes on CD or anywhere else exactly match the actual Laurie 45 you have.
When I heard the 45, I did hear some subtle differences. I think the vocal track is slightly different, and the bongos sound a bit different too.
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 11 September 2008 at 3:31pm
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I am having no luck discerning differences between the mono and stereo versions of Ferry Across The Mersey so could you pass along Tom Daly's web site so I can see what others are saying about this difference?
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Posted By: smvceo
Date Posted: 12 February 2009 at 1:21pm
The stereo master has a different vocal track at the start, but may switch to the same vocal track 20 or 30 seconds into the song. Don't use the Laurie 45 as a point of reference. Use the Laurie LP of the same title, since the 45 is distorted and the LP is not. They are both from the same master.
Tom Daly
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 10:17am
I can not discern a difference between the mono 45 and stereo LP version of the vocal track "20 or 30 seconds into the song". Can anyone enlighten me? thanks.
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dc1
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 November 2013 at 1:09pm
i also CANNOT discern any difference between the vinyl 45
version and the cd version from 'gerry cross the mersey' on
razor & tie 2084.....i listened about 4 times and the only
differences i hear are the inherent mono/stereo differences
i always harp about....all the instrumentation and vocals
are the same.....i do NOT think an 'lp version' designation
is warranted in the db...
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edtop40
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 07 June 2015 at 7:36pm
I notice the database still has the LP version notation for this track,
even though Pat, myself and ed have stated we can not discern a
difference in the opening vocal.
Going back to my original post, I have come across two Canadian 45s
being played on YouTube, and low and behold, it is the same “odd”
version that I downloaded from the CD I mention from iTunes, that is
missing the opening bongos and has them mixed down during the
opening instrumental.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t9B6OQsCow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSWRKqDmYM
Makes me wonder what the UK 45 version is. It is true, Canada
sometimes got a different version than the US when it came to British
artists during the British Invasion.
Does anyone have a dub of a Laurie 45 I can listen to? Perhaps my
mono 45 version is not correct?
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dc1
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Posted By: Oddbjorn
Date Posted: 09 June 2015 at 8:10am
My notices about the UK45 which I own (Columbia DB 7437): Mono, Runs 2.18 and match in my ears (close) UK CD 'A's B's & EP's - Gerry and The Pacemakers - EMI 7243596815' (2004) (mono) where it is running 2:17. Intro 0.10 before: 'Life goes on day after day'. Intro of what it seems to be LP version (stereo) is 0:14, and this seems also to be US 45 - (Neither of which I own).
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OddNor
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 11 June 2015 at 10:33pm
OddNor, from what you indicate, it would seem that the UK 45 trims off
the opening 0:04 of drum “solo", as does the CAD 45. Seems the US 45
used what was an LP version that includes the opening 0:04 of drums.
Are the drums mixed way down in the UK version during the 0:10
instrumental opening as they are in the CAD 45s I posted from YouTube?
I have been sent a US 45 dub, and i still can not detect a vocal
difference. If there is one, can someone point it out to me?
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dc1
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 11 June 2015 at 11:23pm
David, I'm going to do a sync check on this 45, I am just
awaiting a good dub of it. I'll post my findings as soon
as possible.
MM
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Posted By: Oddbjorn
Date Posted: 12 June 2015 at 2:20am
Davidclark, Yes it is the same opening on the UK45 as the one on YouTube.
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OddNor
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 12 June 2015 at 6:49am
MM you da man! thanks.
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dc1
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 18 June 2015 at 11:55pm
OK
I just finished comparing a dub of a confirmed original
Laurie 3284 single with the stereo mix (taken from
Rhino's Brit. Invasion Vol 4, but just about any Cd will
do.)
I have no idea what info was being passed around on the
Skyline site years ago, but there is NO difference
between the U.S. 45 and the stereo mix. I just folded
the stereo mix down, and put it side by side against the
Laurie single. They are the same mix, no changes. Laurie
didn't even compress it. The are identical.
Now, my single has a listed time of (2:22) but actual is
(2:21).
All the CD versions that run (2:22) are just a tad slower
than the 45 but pretty much every copy is within 1
second.
Happy to put this issue to bed. I've just emailed Pat an
mp3 of my sync-file so he can be confident in my report!
MM
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Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 19 June 2015 at 11:00am
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That's good to know. I took the mono version from The EMI Years 1963-1966, then folded down the opening bongos from a stereo version of the song and tacked them on to recreate the 45 version, which I'm relieved to find out is apparently the actual 45 version.
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 19 June 2015 at 7:42pm
Bitman, later I'll be doing one final sync check and compare the LP mix to the mono UK 45 version to see if there are any differences...David said the drums sound different.
It's quite possible they did a dedicated mono mix for the UK but did not send that to Laurie. I'll post whatever I find here.
MM
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 21 June 2015 at 4:35pm
OK I compared the U.S. 45 + LP version with the mono EMI
Years version and found the latter to be a dedicated mono
mix. It also runs a slower pitch than the U.S version.
The opening "bongos / drums" - we'll just say "the drum
track" - is mixed way out of the intro. So David heard
right. There is only a "bleed-thru" of them in the
background, and then they are turned up full as soon as
he starts singing.
The rest of the mix is basically the same, I only
detected a slight difference in the reverb. Another minor
thing is the vocal track is potted up full during the
intro so you hear breath sounds louder where the US
version those sounds are present, but much lower in the
mix before he starts singing.
For bitman: so the version you created by tacking on the
drum track intro can't work because the drum part would
be missing from :04 - :14. Simply fold down the entire
stereo mix and that makes the U.S 45.
So it appears from the above research that the EMI Years
CD and any others containing this mix can be described as
the "UK & Canadian 45 Version" while the rest of the CD's
need no description at all.
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 23 June 2015 at 6:34pm
glad you got to the bottom of this, Markie (and glad we are correct).
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dc1
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 27 July 2015 at 1:16pm
I am wondering if the original discussion about the
intro being a different vocal take was in reference to
the song I'll Be There, where the stereo mix does
contain a different vocal take (though the intro vocal
to the US 45 version for I'll Be There can be found at
the end of the stereo mix of that particular song).
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Live in stereo.
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