Chic-"I Want Your Love"
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Topic: Chic-"I Want Your Love"
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Chic-"I Want Your Love"
Date Posted: 30 May 2008 at 3:20pm
| My commercial 45, confirmed as Atlantic 3557, has a listed time of (3:28), but an actual time of (3:23). All 9 of the current database CDs for this song that specify "45 version" state a run time of either (3:28) or (3:29), so we will need to compare the actual 45 vs. these CDs, to get to the actual truth here. |
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 8:42pm
| Jim, I time my 45 at (3:24), a dj copy, and have found that all cd's that feature the 45 version run much slower than the 45. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 12 July 2010 at 9:23pm
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my commercial 45 issued as atlantic 3557 states a run time of 3:28 but only runs 3:21 and NOT 3:24 as other have stated........the run out groove info is "st-a-36512-5 105608".....there may possibly be 2 pressings....john did an excellent job of matching the speed for me......thx john... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 12:02pm
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Edtop40,
My commercial 45 also runs 3:21. Will check my deadwax and post it. Update, my copy has the same deadwax as yours does. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 5:00pm
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I am using Rock On 1979 as my source for this track. It times out at 3:29 and runs much slower than the 45, as mentioned in the database. I'd like to pitch it up to the correct speed, but as there appears to be multiple pressings (and lengths) of the original 45, I'm not sure if my resulting file should run 3:21, 3:23 or 3:24. Can anyone help me with this please, either by letting me know the correct speed adjustment percentage, or by sending me a reference copy to match mine against.
Thanks in advance. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 9:12am
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The version on Rhino's Disco Years Vol. 2 (1990) runs slow. I don't have a 45 to compare, though, so I'm not sure how slow.
These discs use the same analog transfer as Disco Years, and also run slow:
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Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 3:57pm
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Hi crapfromthepast and thanks for the info.
I don't have a 45 to compare it to either. I am hoping that someone will be kind enough to send me a reference copy of the correctly pitched CD version or the original 45. Then I can adjust my copy to match it. I'd really like to have this track in my library running at the correct speed. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 6:48pm
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Bwci Bo, I think we all understand exactly what it is you are asking here.
The problem is that the answer you seek is not cut and dried. In many previous instances, we have found actual stock 45s with minor, actual time differences. Usually, all these different reported timings are exactly correct, as those of us who commonly do such timings/report our findings are big sticklers for accuracy. This situation usually happens for one of two reasons: Stock 45s were manufactured at different pressing plants, using master 45 stampers that were prepared slightly differently. Each stamper can only produce so many copies, before they must be replaced. (Our own YahShure might have more specifics on this, as he is quite familiar with pressing plant particulars.) Quite often, different staff audio technicians would prepare "master stamper #2", etc. Such minor speed/fade differences become apparent in cases like this. Because no two people complete a task exactly the same way. When I want to determine a "tie-breaker" in cases like this, I will usually take the actual timing of the promo 45. Because those were almost always the first 45 copies made. (Unless the song was a huge hit, and the label needed to make some additional, "DJ re-service" promo copies.) So, since Pat's timing was from the DJ copy, my decision would be to use his (3:24) timing. But it can also be a matter of personal taste. After all, you're the one that's gonna be listening to the song. All three of these timings are both legitimate and official. They were all made in 1979. And none were bootleg copies. Use the timing that your own ear likes best. Hope this helps..... |
Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 9:00pm
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jimct: That does help, so thank you very much for your interesting response and the valid points you raised.
I have a file to work with now and it sounds right to my ears so I'll run with it. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 8:38pm
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Edit: I now doubt that the 45 version CDs that I noted
above run slow. They're the same tempo as the LP versions. It's more likely that they're faded at different points than the 45. I know that for "Le Freak", Bill Inglot re-edited the 45 version from very low-generation source tapes, and instead of fading where the 45 fades, he let it run to the end of the LP version. For the Atlantic CDs that include the 45 edit of "Le Freak", the edits were correct but the fade points were way off from the actual 45. I suspect that for "I Want Your Love", the fade points on the Rhino CD are in different places than on the true 45. Speed/pitch is most likely the same, unless the true 45 is sped up or slowed down from the LP version. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 12:10am
Not so. Inglot faded the LP version early on his CDs. I have the LP version on both CD and vinyl, and it runs the longest.
I timed my 45 at 3:32. I suspect that for "I Want Your Love", the fade points on the Rhino CD are in different places than on the true 45. Speed/pitch is most likely the same, unless the true 45 is sped up or slowed down from the LP version.[/QUOTE] I do have the 45, but I just have to dig it out. It's in a big box of 'em buried in a closet. I do remember once synching that 45 (that came in a picture sleeve) with the album version on CD, and, although the 45 seemed to run faster, it didn't, and it stared to fade almost right after an edit point. ------------- |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 4:46am
Sounds like someone who is insanely meticulous about recreating fades needs to tackle these... |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 3:14pm
Of course, that's not always definitive either, since some labels (Atlantic being one of them) pressed promos at multiple plants too...west coast ones, for example were Monarch pressings (often on styrene), while east coast ones were on vinyl. So we could see the same timing differences between promos as well. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 9:02pm
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To each his own, Steve. Like I said to start my post, there is no cut and dried
answer. Sure, promo 45s can emanate from more than one pressing plant. And slight timing differences can surely appear, as a result. I just happen to default to that. Flawed or otherwise. I'm not saying I'm right, that it's a foolproof solution, or that anyone else should necessarily do the same. Ultimately, I recommended Bwci Bo use his own ear, among the various officially submitted timings. Which clearly goes against what I do personally...... |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 10:37pm
Steve, in my experience, Atlantic was one label that almost always sent cuttings done at one mastering facility (usually Atlantic Studios) to all of its contracted U.S. plants, rather than tape copies. In a few cases, metal parts utilized at different plants were sourced from the very same mother (i.e., identically-matched deadwax matrix numbers and suffixes and groove pattern characteristics showing up on, say, both Monarch and Specialty pressings of a given 45. Monarch and Specialty would, of course, add their own logo imprints to the deadwax.) In many cases, the Atlantic Studios lacquers were sent to Long Wear (the "LW" often seen in the deadwax), which made the metal parts and then sent them to each pressing plant. If anything, this tended to standardize Atlantic product on a national scale, rather than open up the possibility of mastering anomalies between the various plants. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 1:34pm
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I cannot find my copy of "I Want Your Love" right now, but
I remember the comparison I made. I am comfortable that my 45 matches up with the 45 version on CD. I can put my hands on my 45 of "Le Freak" and give you the deadwax number. It was pressed on vinyl (off center, I might add: ST - A - 35737 - 1 It was pressed at the Specialty Records Corp., Olyphant, PA. ------------- |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 13 February 2014 at 9:08pm
I found my 45. Yup. It times out at precisely 3:23. I guess my turntable was off when I checked years before. ------------- |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 22 April 2018 at 5:59pm
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Did anyone ever get around to comparing the "slow" 45
versions with an actual 45 to determine if we truly have a speed issue or perhaps different fade points? |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 17 May 2018 at 3:33am
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It's been years, but I finally dug out my pristine 1978
Atlantic 45 and found that it was sped up a bit. What I think happened is that after Atlantic edited the album mix, they sped it up a bit for the 45. Everyone in the CD age has used the edit, but not the sped up edit. What could also have happened is that the edited master was sped up during the disc-cutting process, and that's why the actual sped-up single edit never made it to digital. ------------- |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 17 May 2018 at 6:01pm
I just found this video on YouTube from a vinyl greatest hits and it appears to run 3:29. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3xLFc2fky0 ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 17 May 2018 at 6:02pm
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The database still says all the 3:29 version run too slow,
yet I haven't been able to find a dub of the 45 on YouTube. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 17 May 2018 at 6:09pm
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Here's a video I found where they lip sync. It sounds
faster and appears to run 3:23. https://hooktube.com/watch?v=FJFwxE6IAsE As mentioned on the BSN forum, if you use Hooktube instead of YouTube, you have access to videos blocked elsewhere. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |