JOHN SCHNEIDER - "It’s Now Or Never"
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Topic: JOHN SCHNEIDER - "It’s Now Or Never"
Posted By: abagon
Subject: JOHN SCHNEIDER - "It’s Now Or Never"
Date Posted: 13 May 2008 at 9:29am
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JOHN SCHNEIDER - "It's Now Or Never"
The actual 45 running time is (3:21) ,The listed time is"3:15"on the record label.(Scotti Brothers ZS6 02105) |
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Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 11:24pm
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Does anybody know of a CD source for this single, import or domestic, besides the one listed currently in the database?
Even better: do you know of a digital source for it on iTunes or Amazon? If I could download it for 99 cents, that would be ideal! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 11:36pm
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yeah. good question. In deciding to collect all Top 20 songs of the 80s, I
need this "shlocky" tune too! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 2:51pm
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Somebody needs to find the master tapes and get this song on CD. Maybe Bill Buster will eventually get this one on a future Eric Records release for us. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 8:34pm
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Is there something wrong with the mastering or source for
this song on its lone CD appearance (K-Tel's Behind Closed Doors)? I just gave a quick listen and it sounds like a tape source to me. In fact, there's about 1.5 seconds of tape hiss audible after the fadeout of the final note. I don't have this song on vinyl for comparative purposes, but it sounds like a flat transfer from an original or LP cutting master copy. Definitely not audiophile sonics, but sounds about right for a country-pop record from 1981. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 8:39pm
| The lone database CD appearance of John Schneider's "It's Now or Never" sounds like it came from a tape source to me, Roscoe. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 6:41am
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This was a Scotti Brothers single. All American Records owns this if I recall. Must not have been many reissue labels clamoring to re-release this one. It's even scarce on 45. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 2:11pm
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Not good, not good...
Thanks to Ed, I've had a chance to hear the K-Tel CD version of this song. More research is needed to determine what is going on, but at least to my ears, there is steel guitar in the CD version that is NOT on my copy of a vinyl version. Whether my version is the original 45, or from an LP I do not know... but it appears there were at least two mixes made of this song. (The vocal take is identical, and the mix is very similar otherwise.) I'd say we need someone with the original commercial 45 to take a listen and see if they have steel guitar in their version. If not, I'd say the single mix has never made it to CD. It would not surprise me if a "pop / single mix" was made of the song, since he was originally targeting a country audience but ended up with a top 40 hit. If what I have isn't the single mix, my suspicion is it's the version sent to top 40 radio. The length, BTW, is identical, although I had to speed up my copy by about 2% to get it to match the CD... and even then it falls in and out of sync. (It sounds like my copy was hand-cranked or something!) Can somebody with this 45 physically in-hand play it and tell us if your version has steel guitar in it, or not? (It's things like this that make me think the record companies hate us!) ;-) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: DJghr1
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 10:45pm
| NightAire, PM me for an mp3 copy of the 45 to preview. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 February 2012 at 7:54pm
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i just listened to the scotti brothers 02105 vinyl 45 and
it sounds identical to the version on the below cd 1981 IT'S NOW OR NEVER (the actual 45 running time is (3:21) not (3:15) as stated on the record label) (S) (3:22) &nb sp; K-Tel 3163 Behind Closed Doors there is some discussion above about steel guitars on some source, but the scotti brothers vinyl 45 and the "behind closed doors" cd version are identical....gene.....your k- tel version must be either the original album version or some remix version..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 08 February 2012 at 10:51pm
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Thanks for the info, Ed. Now that we have confirmation
that the lone CD appearance matches the 45, anyone brave enough to check the original "Now Or Never" vinyl LP to see if it matches the 45? (Or perhaps I should clarify, anyone brave enough to fess up to owning said LP?) |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 08 February 2012 at 11:23pm
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Roscoe,
The original "Now Or Never" vinyl LP matches the vinyl 45. "Now Or Never" vinyl LP info. Scotti Brothers ARZ 37400 actual running time (3:22), listed time "3:23" --abagon |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 2:48pm
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For clarification, what I have is NOT anything from K-Tel, as far as I know. It is an mp3 of a vinyl source of some kind, but it was sent to me years ago... I don't even know if it's off a 12" or 7".
My suspicion is that it's a DJ remix, although why that would be floating around is beyond me. It is absent the steel guitar and perhaps a rhythm guitar on the K-Tel CD, and the drums may be mixed slightly differently (although that could be an eq / source material issue). Looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack now: did anybody in this list work in top 40 radio when this was a hit... and do you remember either a "radio mix" coming to your station, or playing a radio mix that didn't have steel guitar? EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orf16TrmQuo - THIS!!! THIS is the version I have! (Actually sounds like the same wobbly recording I have, as well.. hm-m-m!) Notice the LACK of steel? EDIT TWO: http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=2268285&song=It%27s+Now+Or+Never - Here it is again, as an mp3 file! I think this copy may be in slightly better shape, maybe not quite as warped. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 23 July 2012 at 9:43pm
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All these months later, I'm still trying to determine what was on the album, what was on the commercial 45, and what was on the DJ 45...
I've noticed it was released on two labels, and wondered if that had anything to do with it: 
From what I can see, though, neither say "remix." My suspicion is that the album version was "country" and maybe all of the single releases were the "remix." I base that on this page which offers the album for sale and has a sample of the song which is clearly the "country" version: http://www.soundsbox.com/album.php?al=54387&album=now-or-never - Sounds Box - John Schneider - Now Or Never ...Anybody found a 45 of this song for comparison (abagon)? Or the LP for comparison? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 24 July 2012 at 3:05pm
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Well,
This thread has left me very confused (not hard to do!), because there are many copies of the song in different formats but i'm not sure who has what version. Ed: you state your 45 matches the K-tel CD. Does your 45 and does your K-tel CD HAVE steel guitars are do not? abagon: you state your 45 matches the vinyl LP "Now Or Never" ...but does your LP/45 have the steel guitars or no? Thanks in advance... |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 25 July 2012 at 12:48am
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I can confirm that the K-Tel CD "Behind Closed Doors: Classic Country for Consenting Couples" (1993, K-TEL 3163) IS the "country" version.
I'd be curious to have Ed go back over his 45, as well as Abagon, too. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 25 July 2012 at 8:01am
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Epic Records distributed Scotti Brothers then under Epic Associated Records' banner. So, Epic released this in the UK with a little Scotti Brothers blurb on the label. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 25 July 2012 at 10:02am
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Both my commercial 45 and my LP have "steel guitar."
The 45's matrix number in the run-out groove "ZS6-02105-3 3AG" The LP number "PAL-39400 IN FM" --abagon |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 July 2012 at 11:05am
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i will report back tonite, when i get home.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 July 2012 at 8:00pm
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my 45 doesn't sound like it has a steel guitar.....sounds
more like a piano to me......but it is identical to the version that i on the 'behind closed doors' cd.....does anyone want a copy of he cd or vinyl 45?....my run out groove info is 'ZSL 02105 3AC' then machine stamped 'mastered by capitol' and then 'JAY' ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 26 July 2012 at 12:14am
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Ed, I'd be VERY interested in a copy of your 45; if it sounds like my "single" copy, then I may have to request a copy of your "Behind Closed Doors" version. I have a copy that as far as I know, came from that CD... thought it might have been from you... and it DOES have the steel guitars.
I noticed on Amazon the pic looks like the CD number is 3163-2, while our database says 3163. Now I wonder if there were two pressings of this CD! Good grief... "Curiouser and curiouser!" ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 July 2012 at 11:04am
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Gene, the "-2" is at the end of many catalog numbers, and I believe it is usually to indicate the format (in this case CD). I'm sure Pat just leaves off the "-2" for that reason; otherwise, 90% of the albums listed in the database would end with "-2." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 26 July 2012 at 4:59pm
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I never gave this track much thought until this thread!
I had a copy of the 45 years ago, and don't recall which version was on it. It got dumped because i mistakenly thought this track was on the Radio Daze cd's. Anyway, i dug out some old cdr's made by friends. One has a 45 dub of the country version, and another has a 45 dub of the "pop" version. (the noise i hear on both sources are most definitely styrene 45's, neither was from an LP). I'll be interested to see what the investigators uncover about this. MM |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 26 July 2012 at 10:14pm
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MM, if I understand you correctly, you believe that there was both a "pop" single and "country" single released? That in and of itself is interesting!
Now the question becomes which one was the top 40 hit. I assume the "pop" mix, but assumptions are always dangerous... I also wonder if both mixes were released to the public, or if one was the commercial single and the other was a promo single. I'm with you, BTW... not only had I not paid any attention to this single, I didn't even remember it from when it was a hit! (That makes it more difficult for me to remember which version played on the radio, of course.) FWIW, in http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=206579.0 - this thread on the Radio Info message board, a broadcaster says:
...So there's that... Does anybody here HAVE that TM Century Gold Disc he mentions? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
The only version I recall was the single officially released by Scotti Bros. records (the one you provided) which was fairly orchestrated without any country flavor to it. It is also the version in my TM Century Golddisc library.Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 26 July 2012 at 11:12pm
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Yeah, my theory is there were 2 editions of the single
(mainly because it's the most common cause for this issue). As for cdr dubs i have, i think some vinyl folks might know what i mean, but a styrene 45 is subject to a certain kind of wear you can hear. Especially when it was played with a less than perfect stylus. At any rate, that's what these 2 dubs i have sound like to me. Main thing is tho as NightAire points out, it could be that one was on a promo.. or they changed the commercial release at some point making 2 commercial pressings out there... wow, this intrigue about the lone John Schneider charter. Who'd a thunkit. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 July 2012 at 11:44am
For what it's worth, the song didn't even make it on the Radio & Records CHR/Pop chart. Despite it hitting #14 on the Hot 100, pop radio totally ignored it. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 July 2012 at 9:29pm
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The copy referenced above on the TM Century GoldDisc does have the steel guitars, just like Ed's 45 and his copy of "Behind Closed Doors." By contrast, Gene's link to the YouTube video with the bird and cat do not have steel guitars. Another thing that stands out is the reverb on the lead vocal. The non-steel-guitars version has a very echo-y reverb on the lead vocal, whereas the steel guitar version has a very tight reverb. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 28 July 2012 at 9:30am
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Also for what it's worth, I checked my copies of American Top 40 and it
sounds like they played the steel-guitar version throughout the song's chart run. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 28 July 2012 at 10:52am
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Both the MP3 files of the vinyl 45 and the "Behind the doors CD" from ed are the same as my commercial 45 and the vinyl LP "Now Or Never."
Thank you for sending the files, ed! --abagon |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 28 July 2012 at 2:21pm
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Aaron, I agree with your findings: Ed's 7" single, the K-Tel CD, and the GoldDisc all have the steel guitar version.
Abagon, thank you for the update; it looks like the steel guitar version was much more common than the "pop" mix of this song! mstgator, if that's the case, it sounds like top 40 radio (when they played it) may have been playing the steel guitar version. Although I'm curious about the source of the "pop" mix, if the album version / single version was the DJ version as well... for my station, it becomes a moot point. ...Just to double-check all the facts: are these original recordings of AT-40, or are they the remastered versions? With information as scarce as it is on this song, it certainly seems plausible (although not likely, I know) that the remastered versions might have the steel guitar version since it's the only one on CD. If you're listening to the originals, then nevermind. :) Thank you, everyone for your help on figuring this out! I look forward to figuring out the source of the "pop" mix so I can stop thinking about this song!!! ;-) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 28 July 2012 at 7:02pm
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The AT40s are the originals (warts and all), not the remastered versions.
And it's possible of course that a "pop" promo version was released and AT40 stuck with what they had either by choice or ignorance, so take it with a grain of salt! :-) |