"Maneater" - Hall & Oates
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Topic: "Maneater" - Hall & Oates
Posted By: sriv94
Subject: "Maneater" - Hall & Oates
Date Posted: 10 May 2008 at 7:34pm
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For the editors in the room, any way to extrapolate the DJ edit of "Maneater" from the commercial single, or are they two completely different mixes?
I'll hang up and listen for my answer. :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 May 2008 at 7:52pm
| Yes, it can be done. The promo 45 edit is two edits and an early fade, I believe. One edit is on the intro, and the other is in the middle of the horn solo. If I get a moment in the next couple days, I'll try to post the info. Feel free to send me a reminder if I forget :) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 10 May 2008 at 7:54pm
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Will do. I was trying to go by hazy memory, but I could never get either edit to sound right (especially in the sax break). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 May 2008 at 8:11pm
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There's a corner record shop here, and every once in a while I find a gem. Managed to pick up a near mint DJ 45 of this song 2 years ago for $2. :)
Doug, will send u a copy for evaluation. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 10 May 2008 at 8:34pm
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John indeed shot it my way. As I told him in E-mail, not sure why I had such trouble making this edit (when you hear the finshed product it seems so simple).
Thanks for everyone's help. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 12 May 2008 at 5:33pm
| While you can physically make the short DJ edit you may have to add a piece of reverb to the drum hit on the first edit to get the real DJ version. I created it once and the only way to get it to match the real DJ edit was to add that reverb. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 03 August 2011 at 8:27pm
| Does anyone remember if the promo is much slower than the 45? Making my edits and comparing against my promo 45 version. The version I am using to edit is from the import "Starting All Over Again...Best Of" and seems to be running pretty quickly as compared to the promo? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 August 2011 at 4:42am
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The promo 45 is the same speed as the commercial 45 and the
LP. The version on Starting All Over Again runs about 1.7% too fast. I have that collection, and while it's got a great track selection, be aware that some of the tracks run too fast. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 04 August 2011 at 4:35pm
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Thanks so much for that info. I couldn't understand why it was so much faster. I will use another source for my Hall & Oates edits.
-Jeff |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 04 August 2011 at 5:17pm
| Does this version appear on CD anywhere? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 August 2011 at 4:43pm
I just went back and compared my promo 45 to the edit I created, and I didn't find it necessary to add any reverb. Are there perhaps two different promo 45s? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Bill Cahill wrote:Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 07 August 2011 at 4:00am
| I might have edited it in a way that needed reverb. You may have found a more accurate edit. I doubt that there are two promos. At least the way I edited it, it sounded to me like the drum hit at the first edit needed some reverb. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 25 August 2012 at 11:53am
Working on my Hall & Oates edits (mostly are just early fades of the LP lengths)...... Since the many of the tracks on the "Starting All Over Again" collection may run too fast.....Is there a domestic release that does a better job at keeping the original speeds of the songs? ("Wait For Me", "How Does It Feel To Be Back", "Did It In A Minute", "Some Things Are Better....." and "Missed Opportunity" are the ones that I need to create) -Jeff |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 25 August 2012 at 6:39pm
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I have 2 promo copies of this, and they're both white-label, as opposed to the yellow-ish tan that most other RCA promos from that era are. Is everyone else's copy the same way?
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 25 August 2012 at 8:57pm
My 1978 DJ 45 of "I Don't Wanna Lose You" is the same: standard RCA promo label design, but with a white label. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 17 March 2013 at 2:04pm
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Dug into this one in more detail. There are many, many Hall and Oates collections out there, and many more compilations that feature the song. On the whole, the song sounds excellent on most of them.
First, let's rule out the discs to avoid:
After weeding all of these out, I'm left with three sources, all of which sound superb:
If I had to pick the best-sounding source, I'd vote for Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1982 (1992), just because it's very inexpensive nowadays, and the rest of the tracks also sound terrific. The commercial 45 is the same as the LP version. The promo 45 version can be edited down from the commercial 45/LP version. Here are instructions, based on the timings from Billboard Top Hits 1982: Segment 1: 32 beats long Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:11.0 in in both the promo 45 edit and the LP version This segment ends on a downbeat. Remove the 64 beats of the LP version from 0:11.0 to 0:32.6. Segment 2: Extends from 0:11.0 to 2:42.2 of the promo 45 edit Extends from 0:32.6 to 3:03.8 of the LP version This segment begins and ends on a downbeat. Remove the 32 beats of the LP version from 3:03.8 to 3:14.6. Segment 3: Extends from 2:42.2 to 3:28.1 of the promo 45 edit Extends from 3:14.6 to 4:00.5 of the LP version This segment begins on a downbeat and ends a downbeat (falls on the last syllable of the world "maneater" sung by the background vocals). Fade is 64 beats long, begins and ends on the last syllable of the world "maneater" sung by the background vocals Extends from 3:06.5 to 3:28.1 of the promo 45 edit Extends from 3:38.9 to 4:00.5 of the LP version Your mixdown will run 3:28.1, with edits at 0:11.0 and 2:42.2 and a 64-beat fade from 3:06.5 to 3:28.1. (My counter seems to be broken; if I can find another working counter, I'll fill in the beat counts above.) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 17 October 2014 at 6:50pm
| I love it when I go back to something like this thread, see a post by someone and say to myself "yeah I was wondering that too." Only to discover that it was myself that made the post 3 years ago! So my question still goes unanswered: Does the DJ edit appear on CD anywhere? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 October 2014 at 9:17pm
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Very few, if any, of the Hall & Oates promo-only edits have appeared on CD (other than some custom edited versions or vinyl dubs on TM Century GoldDiscs). ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 8:20am
| By any chance does the 45 version run a bit faster than the LP? |
Posted By: David Pro
Date Posted: 23 September 2020 at 2:11pm
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There is a Japanese CD titled
Best of Daryl Hall & John Oates released in 2015 which is listed on Discogs and contains a version of "Maneater" running 3:26. https://www.discogs.com/Daryl-Hall- John-Oates-Best-Of-Daryl-%20Hall- John-%20Oates/release/12830709 So this Japanese compilation would the first H&O compilation to include the promo 45 edit of "Maneater". Can anyone confirm this? |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 September 2020 at 2:26pm
I have that disc, but can't confirm if it's the right edit since I don't have the promo 45 to compare and I don't know how to do any editing. But I will say that it sounds like the same edit I remember hearing occasionally on the radio back then. I believe the disc is also the only one to include the single version of "Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid". ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: davidlg1971
Date Posted: 24 September 2020 at 12:26am
Discogs listing, and verified the track times / edits). I've accumulated several Hall & Oates compilations over the years, but this one gave me a lot of unique single edits that I didn't have before - Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid, It's A Laugh, Say It Isn't So, Method Of Modern Love, etc. One caveat is She's Gone - I recall the edit here is a recreation. It's worth noting that there's also a digital compilation called "Single Mixes". It features 16 single remixes, 13 of which are not on the Japanese compilation. Between the two comps, you have ~90% of Hall & Oates' single versions. Through 1990, anyway. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 September 2020 at 5:55am
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Regarding the digital Single Mixes release, there is at least one track that is the LP mix ("One On One") and another that is the same vinyl transfer as the Japanese 12 Inch Mixes ("Private Eyes" [UK Mix]). Also, "Possession Obsession" is the same early-faded version that appears on Ultimate. The main thing that was unearthed for this digital release is the promo single version of "Method Of Modern Love," which is taken from a tape source. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 24 September 2020 at 9:01am
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Wasn't the promo version of "Method" on the
"36 All-Time Greatest Hits" comp and taken from a tape source? ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 September 2020 at 11:57am
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Now that you mention it, I do remember reading that in another thread. I don't, however, own that CD set. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 24 September 2020 at 2:31pm
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I used to own it. I might have a WAV of the
version of "Method" that's on there. I think that was also the compilation that had an edit of "Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid" that ran longer than the single version but shorter than the album version. ------------- Dan In Philly |