Peaches & Herb-"Shake Your Groove..."
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Topic: Peaches & Herb-"Shake Your Groove..."
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Peaches & Herb-"Shake Your Groove..."
Date Posted: 08 May 2008 at 12:38am
| 3 of my 4 commercial 45 copies are the more common, listed (3:25), actual (3:23) version. Not surprisingly, 31 of the 32 current database "45 version" CD appearances feature this mix, which Pat currently notates as "45 version with instrumental introduction." My other, rarer commercial 45 copy has a listed time of (3:39) and an actual time of (3:37). I only post this info because the only current database CD that allegedly contains this 45 version, the Rhino V/A CD, "Cleveland Rocks! Music From The Drew Carey Show", which Pat specifies as "45 version with vocal introduction", runs only (3:30), :07 shorter than the run time of my actual 45 for this mix. |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 May 2008 at 12:58am
| It is my intention to see if audio from the more common (3:23) version can be tagged onto the ending of the rare version from the Drew Carey CD. If someone beats me to it, please post! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 1:32am
| Nope, the database will need to be changed to reflect the comment "neither the 45 nor LP version." Here's another example of how the fine folks at Rhino goofed. The missing seven seconds on the Drew Carey version is not from the end of the song, but rather it is an editing mistake at the beginning. The intro of the actual 45 has an instrumental loop with the lyrics "shake it, shake it." This occurs TWICE on the actual 45, but only once on the CD. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 1:45am
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Does anyone know if this vocal introduction appears on a different mix, such as the LP version? I'm wondering if it's possible to re-create this version. I was able to confirm that the two 45 versions are identical after the (0:37) mark of the 45 with vocal intro.
Another goof on the Drew Carey version is that there are cymbal hits after the "shake it, shake it" lyrics at 0:22 and 0:29 (starting on the first beat of the measure). These cymbal hits are not present on the 45, but they are on the more common 45 version without the vocal intro. This is evidence that Rhino simply spliced the vocal intro onto the more common 45 version. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 4:09am
The LP version on the soundtrack of "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" has the vocal intro. I believe you can turn that into the vocal-intro 45 version, just by fading early. |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 6:21am
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Aaron:
I have the LP version of "Shake Your Groove Thing" on the various artist CD Top Hits of the Seventies - Mega Hits (Collectables 9708). I'll send you an e-mail about it later tonight and we'll see if the 45 version can be re-created from it. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 7:02am
| Amazing how one wrong edit can spread so fast. 31 CD's? Geeesh... |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 7:05am
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So, if I paste the first :37 of the LP version onto the existing 45 version...will that work?
Aaron and Todd, I'll send you my results if you wish... |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 7:11am
John, my understanding is the wrong edit occurs only on the Cleveland Rocks! Music From The Drew Carey Show CD (Rhino 75342) as it pertains to the 45 version with vocal intro. I believe the 31 CDs in the database containing the 45 version with instrumental intro are all correct. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 7:11am
| Thanks, Todd. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 7:23am
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Since it's been almost 30 years since I first played this song on the radio, I seem to recall playing the 45 with the vocal intro.
Jim, which did your station play? |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 8:00am
| John, we absolutely played the version with the instrumental intro at our station in 1979, as I believe most Top 40 stations around the country did, as well. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 10:29am
John, I have never heard the LP version, so I honestly don't know if that will work. All I know is that when comparing the two different 45 versions, they are identical after a certain point. From the sounds of it, there's a chance that the LP version can be edited to match the 45 with vocal intro. If I had to guess, I would say the vocal intro version was the first 45 version created. Later, they probably took a section of the 12" mix (again, only speculating) and pasted it onto the intro, replacing the vocal intro. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 May 2008 at 10:40am
Once I grabbed the LP version off of Napster this morning and heard the 'vocal intro', that's when a vision came back that we played the 45 with that intro. I've become so accustomed to the instrumental intro, playing that version as a mobile for years. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 12:27am
| I noticed that the database was never updated to reflect "neither" on the Drew Carey CD. Pat, you may want to change the entry for that CD, since the version on that disc does not match the 45. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 5:16pm
| While this topic is at the top, I'm wondering if the (5:30) versions are actually the LP version. A friend of mine has the vinyl LP for 2 Hot, and "Shake Your Groove Thing" starts with just drums and runs about (5:45). This same version also appears on the CD version of 2 Hot. Does anyone have the vinyl album with "Groove Thing" running (5:30) and starting with the vocal intro? |
Posted By: Steve Sharp
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 6:07pm
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I would have to dig it out, but I'm almost POSITIVE that I still have the "2 Hot" vinyl album with the original introduction, which was a slow (think ballad) vocal. Let me know, and I'll see if I can track it down, and the deadwax information on it.
At the time I was much more excited to have found the original promotional only 12" single, which appeared years later as one of the bonus tracks on the "Priscilla" soundtrack. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 9:30pm
| Thanks, Steve! It looks like we have a case of two different LP versions. I'll have to get the deadwax info from my friend (a fellow forum member, so he might post the info before I see him), but I'm positive that his vinyl LP does not have the ballad-like vocal intro. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 December 2008 at 9:14pm
Eric is exactly right. Thanks to some assistance from Brian, I was able to confirm that the vocal intro 45 version is an early fade of the vocal intro LP version. Now we just need to compare the matrix numbers of the vinyl LPs, since we appear to have two pressings with different "LP versions" of "Shake Your Groove Thing." |
Posted By: Steve Sharp
Date Posted: 12 December 2008 at 8:01am
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Found the vinyl, and listened to it, and to my surprise, it has the "fast, non-vocal" intro. I'm now remembering more of the story. YES, I did have the original album with the ballad intro, and YES the album was repressed after the mix was changed, but since I worked at a record store, once I discovered this, I used my "posisition" to return my original pressing for the newer one, which I liked much better.
Side A deadwax on this one (the 2nd edition, with the 2nd mix): Polydor PD-1-6172-AS-REV-COMP-1 PRCW-1 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 December 2008 at 9:39am
| Good info, Steve! Pat, you might want to make a note in the database that two LP versions exist. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 19 October 2014 at 6:54pm
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From the many CD versions I have, you wouldn't even know that the vocal-intro versions exist. All have the instrumental-intro version. I don't ever remember hearing the vocal-intro version on the radio in NYC, and I don't think I knew it even existed until the movie Priscilla.
I found pictures of the promo 45s in discogs.com. I found white-label 45s for both versions, with printed times of 3:37 and 3:25. I couldn't see the matrix numbers on their scans, and I can't tell which versions are really on the promo 45s. I think the clue is on one scan of the commercial 45, where the 3:25 printed time has a "REV" in the matrix number. If I had to bet a nickel, I'd bet that the 3:37 vocal-intro version came out first and didn't do so well. I'd bet that Polydor then put out the 3:25 instrumental-intro version, which did well and became the hit. "Shake Your Groove Thing" features a live drummer playing to a click track. A convenient way to reference the various masterings is by the BPM, since they're all a little different from one another. The first version of "Shake Your Groove Thing" I have on CD is on the first various-artist disco collection on CD, Silver Eagle/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Dancin' The Night Away (1988). It runs 132.9 BPM here. This CD has a very bass-heavy EQ, with practically no high end on this song. The same analog transfer is used on:
As usual, I recommend Rhino's Disco Years Vol. 1 (1990). In general, if it's not available on Rhino's Billboard discs, go for Rhino's Disco Years discs. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 5:38am
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OK, I'm confused. Are you saying that some copies of the 45
had the cold vocal intro? I have both a promo and stock single of this, and both have :13 intro. I do remember JB- 105 in Providence playing the cold intro, but don't recall hearing it anywhere else. I was working at an AC station at the time and we (obviously) didn't play it. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 22 October 2014 at 5:58am
| I have a promo, with vinyl trail wriing PD-14514 78 NP-3787-S CP-1,and it has the vocal intro. I'd assume this was the original release. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 6:26pm
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All these years later I'm surprised nobody has bothered to take the LP version with the vocal intro, done the early fade to match the rarer 45 version and released it on CD. I have the LP version, the 12" single version, plus the 45 version with the instrumental intro on CD. Wonder if that rarer 45 version has perhaps been released on an import CD. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 8:30pm
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10 years ago, I see I proposed the possibility of
pasting the vocal intro onto the more common 45 version to create the rarer 45 version. I finally just tried that and it runs 3:38. Does that mean I have the rarer 45 version now? |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 16 January 2018 at 1:10am
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I have the vocal-intro version on one CD. It appeared on
one of those 1995 GSC 3-CD box sets called "Dance Fever - The Best Of Disco". I bought it at Costco. Set was mfg. by Polygram so it's filled with stuff from that catalog. The set has a lot of 45 versions, but some are LP versions. What's interesting is they chose whichever version was less common on CD at that time. Mastering is excellent. Re: Vocal-only intro version. This was one of the two pressings of the stock 45. Apparently the less common one. We have both pressings at work. I'll pull them both and report back. I bought this 45 in NY when it was new and got the drum- intro version and like you Ron, that was all I heard on radio. I never heard this vocal-intro mix until I bought this GSC CD set. And until this forum, to me it was a mystery mix. I keep saying "mix" because you can't tack the vocal- intro onto the other single version. They are different mixes. One difference you might notice is in the opening choruses the common 45 has cymbal crashes under the title, but the other mix does not have any. More info later.... MM |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 16 January 2018 at 12:08pm
As did I as both current, and oldie (we still play it every few days) ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 16 January 2018 at 12:11pm
The cold vocal intro was serviced to radio as a promo 45. This version didn't get hardly any play in my era, the shorter 45 with instrumental beginning was the common hit 45 which got the airplay and charted high. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 18 January 2018 at 12:21am
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Just some follow-up details ... when I posted earlier I
hadn't yet seen the database. So I guess this vocal- intro mix is not rare on CD at all. It just always appears in the LP length. My GSC CD is just faded early, but not quite early enough to be the rare 45 version. And upon closer listen, I agree with Aaron..after those cymbal crashes in the opening chorus the mixes are identical. So erie, the answer to your question is yes, you created the rarer 45 version. If I am reading correctly, the real MIA version on CD is the 2nd LP version with instrumental intro. Aaron posted that it's on the CD for "2 Hot!" but that CD is not in the database. Anyway I pulled the stock copy of the rare 45 and it matches Jim's promo, listed (3:39) and actual (3:37). The deadwax # is PD14514 78 NP-3787-S-CP1 As listed earlier in this thread the deadwax on the common hit 45 is PD14514 78 NP-3787-REV-S-56-1 So all available info confirms the vocal-intro stock 45 was the first early pressing but by the time this was a national hit, the drum intro version had fully taken over and that's what most consumers heard and bought. MM |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 2:36pm
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Mark, thanks for the update. At least the first release 45
version can be created digitally. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 January 2018 at 4:34am
| FWIW, I never heard the vocal intro version on the radio in 1979, and I was listening to A LOT of radio back then. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 20 January 2018 at 6:22am
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It was played at WTRY Albany for a while at the time of the songs peak. While I thought a new copy had come in with a new mix, It was most
likely just an older copy that I found in the music director's office. Since no date stamp was used on the 45s as they came in, it was probably the original issue. Figured that playing it would freshen up the song since it had been in power for so long. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 23 January 2018 at 2:33pm
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My promo 45 has the revised version on
both sides. ------------- Live in stereo. |