Osmonds 45s
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Topic: Osmonds 45s
Posted By: PaulEschen
Subject: Osmonds 45s
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 4:11pm
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I'm trying to line up all the 45 versions that I need from the Osmond family,
and I am lacking original 45s. Upon looking at the photos of 45s on eBay, I don't see where any of them are marked as being in stereo. Are any of the Osmonds, Donny & Marie, Donny or Marie's original 45s from 1970- 1976 in stereo, or are they all mono? |
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 5:20pm
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Paul, Here's what I have. Bold type indicates that either "stereo" or "mono" is printed on the label. These are all MGM promo copies, save for one stock copy:
14193 "One Bad Apple" - stereo/stereo 14227 "Sweet And Innocent" (Donnie) - mono/mono 14295 "Yo-Yo" - mono 14324 "Down By The Lazy River - mono 14424 "Why" / "Lonely Boy" [stock copy] (Donny) - stereo/stereo 14562 "Goin' Home" - mono 14735 "I'm Leaving It [All] Up To You (D&M) - mono/mono 14746 "Love Me For A Reason" - mono/mono 14765 "Morning Side Of The Mountain" (D&M) - stereo/mono (see note below) 14791 "The Proud One" - stereo/mono 14807 "Make The World Go Away" (D&M) - stereo/mono Note: Although the stereo side of "Morning Side Of The Mountain" is designated "stereo" on the label and has "STEREO" etched in the dead wax, it plays mono. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 6:30pm
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I think the vinyl LP version of "Sweet and Innocent" is stereo. The file I have of it originally came from the LP source. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 11:01am
| John, I just have just pulled out and listened to the original LP that "Sweet And Innocent" appeared on back in 1971, "The Donny Osmond Album" (SE-4782). Despite stating prominently on the LP label, "STEREO", the "Sweet And Innocent" track appears in mono, with a listed time of (2:49), but an actual time of (3:01). FYI, the other nine tracks on this LP are, in fact, stereo. Personally, I have always felt it to be very risky policy to attempt to try to speculate as to what the original source of an "acquired" music file might have actually been. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 12:27pm
| I believe what happened was the Sweet and Innocent was a stereo track on the OSMONDS LP, but when it was decided to give Donny his own 45 and album, MGM remixed the track with different instruments to mono for the Donny 45 and didn't bother making it stereo for the Donny album. So the song is in stereo on the Osmonds LP but it's a different treatment. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 4:11pm
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Bill is correct. The source of my file is The Osmonds (MGM SE4724) ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 4:39pm
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Here are 3 more: (all promos...even back then I wasn't about to actually BUY an Osmonds record)
14259: Double Lovin' (mono) 14285: Go Away Little Girl--Donny (label says stereo, but it's mono) 14322: I Knew You When--Donny (mono) Also, my copy of "One Bad Apple" has OBA on both sides in stereo, but has the blue & gold stock label, not the yellow promo one. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 4:44pm
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eriejwg wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 6:18pm
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No problem, Jim! Sometimes, I can be as clear as mud! LOL. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: SoCalDrew
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 7:17pm
I'm pretty sure my copy of "Deep Purple" (14840) was in stereo. Wasn't that their final release on MGM? |
Posted By: PaulEschen
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 2:43pm
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Thanks for all your help and input. I was able to procure a few Osmond
45s of my own, and can add to the list the following: Hey Girl (Donny)--mono Puppy Love (Donny)--mono Young Love (Donny)--mono It's becoming increasingly apparent that, for me at least, the most difficult period to be sure I have the right 45 version is 1968-1975. It's because one can never be sure if the 45s from that period are in mono or stereo. (Looking at eBay 45 photos has helped.) Some artists (or labels) seem to go back and forth, a la the Osmonds. I know there are some labels that were slow to convert to stereo 45s (Bell, Motown, Warner) while others (RCA, Elektra) released singles either way as early as '68. The earliest standard-release stereo 45s I have are the Doors' "Hello, I Love You" and Judy Collins' "Both Sides Now". It would be nice if Pat could list if each single was originally in mono or stereo, and I'm sure that as soon as Pat is ready to give up any semblance of a personal life, and is able to bend time to have more than 24 hours in a day, he'll oblige me! Again, thanks for everyone's help. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 5:55pm
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Paul, just to complicate things even more, a few commercial 45s during that time frame were available in either stereo or mono. The copy of Blue Cheer's "Summertime Blues" that I bought when it was new was in very wide stereo, with what appears to be a CSG-processed groove pattern. To my ears, the mix never quite sounded right (weak bass) compared to what was being played on the AM top-40s. I found an original mono copy in the '80s, and found that the vocals were drier. Both of those commercial copies had identical labels, without any stereo or mono indication on the labels. A "2-" prefix was stamped in the stereo copy's dead wax matrix number. The B-sides of both copies ("Out Of Focus") was in mono.
It's funny that you should mention "Both Sides Now," since my original 1968 copy plays mono, as does a circa 1990 Spun Gold reissue 45. Yet both copies state "stereo" on the label. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 8:22pm
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There is a current single disc greatest hits CD that has the hits in stereo that are mastered to sound more like the mono singles. I wish I had the name of it.
Otherwise, the best way to get the mono versions is to get the 45s. "Double Lovin'" is much better in mono anyway. It's a different mix. ------------- |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:06pm
| I can't believe none of their original albums have ever been released on CD. Course, it's Universal, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me. A fairly well-known mastering engineer once told me, "Universal has no interest in their back catalog." |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:30pm
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Ooh, you know what? Their first six albums are coming out as two-fers in the UK on April 21st:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Osmonds-Homemade/dp/B0015S8288/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208201174&sr=1-1 - Osmonds/Homemade http://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Reason-Still-Gonna-Need/dp/B0015YI30E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208201174&sr=1-3 - Love Me for a Reason/I'm Still Gonna Need You http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crazy-Horses-Plan-Osmonds/dp/B0015YI304/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208201174&sr=1-5 - Crazy Horses/The Plan I believe this is the CD debut for most of these, believe it or not. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 8:15pm
Oh, I can believe it. It's not always about what will or won't sell, it's often about what the person in charge likes and doesn't like. ------------- |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 5:13am
| It's not often I side with the record companies, but I really don't see much of a demand for the Osmonds. How many people want to be reminded just how cheezy the early 70s were? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 7:42am
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I ordered "Double Lovin'" yesterday, and before I order "Yo-Yo" and "Love Me For A Reason", can someone say the differences between the 45 vs. LP versions?
Can the 45 versions be recreated from the LP with edit points? |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 11:21am
Not the right comment for a collector forum like this.
The "Double Lovin'" mono version is a different mix, so it's worth it. "Yo-Yo" sounds solid in mono, but I detect no obvious differences in the mix. There are no edited versions. ------------- |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 11:24am
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 11:29am
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Chatted with Doug and he thought "Love Me For A Reason" was an early fade. The database gives a 'version' designation vs. a 'length' designation.
Can anyone confirm? |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 12:20pm
I hadn't seen that changed--it used to be a "length" designation (not that I don't look in the database, but I don't usually use it to find Osmonds material :) ). So I'm probably wrong and there must be something other than fadeout, otherwise it wouldn't have been changed. So I'll second John's question. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 12:29pm
| The same question holds true for "Yo-Yo", there is a version vs length designation. Edit points, or a different mix? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 9:11pm
Not true, Grant. "Love Me for a Reason" is an early fade. But the single was mono, and it definitely was not a fold-down (I tried it), so in a strict sense the "true" 45 version cannot be recreated. (Unlike the mono promo edit of Ringo Starr's "Oh My My," which absolutely is a fold-down.) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 10:13am
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Just got in a commercial 45 for "Love Me For A Reason." Listed is 3:45, actual is 3:47.
Besides being an early fade of the LP, the background vocals aren't nearly as buried on the 45 as on the LP version. Unfortunately, the audio quality of any MGM's I've encountered with the Osmonds 45's I have bought has been poor. Love Me For A Reason, Yo-Yo and Double Lovin'. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 6:26pm
| Regarding "Love Me For A Reason" I hear horn overdubs on the 45 version that I do not hear on the LP version. Listen starting at 1:25. My notes on Yo Yo indicate that the 45 and LP start diverging at the 2:00 mark. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 7:05pm
| Thanks, Pat! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 10:53pm
| I'm 99% sure there is an edit in "Yo-Yo," and Pat's notes are probably correct that it's around 2:00. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 21 August 2012 at 7:41pm
| Bumping for Ed. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 21 August 2012 at 7:43pm
| See Yo-Yo thread |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 22 August 2012 at 4:14pm
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The Donny Osmond/Sweet & Innocent 45 is mono only and a different performance than the Osmonds LP version is. Recorded by Rick Hall at Fame Studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama. My MGM Osmonds 45 singles are in nice condition and sound excellent. I own the UK MGM 45 of "Morning Side Of The Mountain". A tip, these singles are best played back on broadcast cartridges with conical styli, the Stanton 681a or Pickering XV 15 DJ are my favorites and the Shure M 44-7 or M 44-G are nice choices too. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |