Laura Branigan - Self Control
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Topic: Laura Branigan - Self Control
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Laura Branigan - Self Control
Date Posted: 13 October 2007 at 12:11am
| Although the database does not currently have any information on this, the hit "Self Control" by Laura Branigan runs exactly (3:56) on the 45. CD run times range from (3:59) to (4:06). I do not have the vinyl LP to be able to verify the LP length. |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 August 2008 at 7:48pm
| Thought I'd bump this thread back to the forefront to see if anyone has the Laura Branigan Self Control vinyl LP from 1984 on Atlantic who can pass along the title track's run time? |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 4:18pm
| Bumping again to see if anyone has any info on the vinyl LP length. The current CD version of Self Control features the now common 4:06 version (with the guitar solo in the intro that's missing from the single). I only ask because I recall hearing an even longer version back in 1984, although that may have come from the 12" single. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 12:39am
| Glad you brought this up, mstgator... I remember hearing "Self Control" with the edited intro many times on the radio (especially AC stations) back when the song was a hit. I guess I'd always presumed this to be a DJ edit, but it sounds like you're claiming this is also representative of the commercial 45 version. If this is the case, then the database will need to be updated to show which CDs contain the 45 version (if any) and which contain the LP version. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 6:08am
Actually there were two different commercial 45 versions, one with the guitar intro and one without. I remember this because I bought the 45 pretty soon after it was released and it contained the guitar intro, which was my favorite part of the song. My girlfriend at the time bought the 45 a couple of weeks later and didn't have the guitar intro. She was so mad that she returned the 45. |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:01am
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Nice finding!
I found a dub of the "Self Control" LP in my cassette library. (Probably, this tape is a source from a Japanese pressing LP.) And I compared it with the commercial 45 (Atrantic 7-89676). "Laura" starts singing at :08 on my 45. This version doesn't have the guitar intro. Thank you. I make an unnecessary addition. A Japanese pressing 45 of the "Self Control" have the guitar intro. But this is the same as the LP version. --abagon |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:29am
| Can someone comment on how the guitar-less intro version was done? Is it just an edit or was something different done to the mix? I vastly prefer the guitar version, but it has been 25 years (!) since I heard the shorter version and I'm just curious. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 11:43pm
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Roscoe:
You're right! There are 2 pressings of the "Self Control" commercial 45. I have found the other US commercial 45 in my spoiled 45 box! This has the guitar intro. But I was not able to clock the actual running time and I couldn't play the first 1:00. Because this 45 is a warp condition. But I could confirm that this 45 has an early fadeout than the LP (about :11). (With guitar intro) ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46164-1 The listed time 3:55 (Without guitar intro) ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46368-1 The listed time 3:50, the actual running time 3:56 the description of "Edit" on the record label. --abagon |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 20 June 2009 at 8:35am
Abagon, my ST-A-46164-1 commercial 45 runs an actual 3:56. The http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/LauraBranigan-SelfControl.jpg - label states a time of 4:08, which differs from your 3:55-labeled copy. Both sides of my DJ 45 also state 4:08. Its matrix numbers are ST-A-46164-1 and ST-A-46164-2. |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 20 June 2009 at 8:53am
Hmmm, and it also reveals that Harold "Axel F" Faltermeyer apparently spelled his name differently in '84, lol... |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 7:15am
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Yah Shure, Great condition record and beautiful label pictuire!
It's sure there are at least 3 different pressing 45s of the "Self Control." Although my "with guitar intro"-45 is a very bad condition. I challenged to clock the actual running time again. I used a stabilizer, and adhesive tape on the record edge. Miraculously, it could've done. (Without guitar intro) ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46368-1 The listed time 3:50, the actual running time 3:56 the description of "Edit" on the record label. (the edited out :08- :17) http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/abagon/LAURABRANIGAN-SelfControlEdit.jpg - label:without guitar 45 (With guitar intro) ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46164-1 The listed time 3:55 and the actual running time 3:56. only a fadeout from the LP. http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/abagon/LAURABRANIGAN-SelfControl.jpg - label:with guitar intro 45 --abagon |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 5:33pm
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Thanks for the scans, abagon! I can see why the "edit" copy made it to your spoiled box. Thanks for the extra effort in timing it.
80smusicfreak, it could be that the typesetters were so concerned with getting the various Italian spellings correct that poor Harold somehow fell through the cracks. My immediate first impression upon looking at abagon's scan was that "Axel F's" full name was Harold Faltermeier Edit. It's sort of like Manilow's "Ready To Take A Chance Again" scan on the "Lyrics by Norman Gimbelend / Music by Charles Fox" credit. I can just imagine the typesetter misinterpreting "Norman Gimbel and Charles Fox" as "Norman Gimbelend / Charles Fox." :) |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 7:27pm
| I don't see how the "no guitar" intro version could be a pure edit when the tail end of the guitar solo overlaps her vocal? Surely something must have been done to the mix to allow a smooth segue into the vocal. Unless they pasted in a portion of the vocal from a later section. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 7:33am
Yes! the tail end of the guitar solo overlaps her vocal. --abagon |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 9:55pm
| If I may resurrect this thread once more, I'd be interested to know if the U.S. pressings of Laura Branigan's Self Control LP contain the version of the title track with or without the guitar intro? Or could there have even been two different LP pressings like the 45? |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 6:13am
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Just found a "no guitar" intro in our closet here at work the other day. Its a never been played promo copy. I didn't remember hearing it when it was released in that form. Now if I could only find a turntable at a radio station! ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 29 November 2010 at 9:15pm
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I Finally found the 12" extended version on CD.
It runs 5:00 and the guitar does not begin until 18 seconds in. V.A. Disco Discharge.Euro Disco 2009 HURTCD086 Made in the EU |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 30 November 2010 at 7:31am
| I' ve always believed that if not the whole version, a majority of the 12" version is how the song was actually recorded and then it was edited down for the album, because there are very distinct parts that are exclusive to the 12" and not just something done at the hands of a remixer. |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 8:17pm
| Does the 12" version feature a longer break (more fading "oh-oh-oh" and beats) before the second verse "Oh the night" begins? That's what I remember hearing a few times back in '84, and the standard LP/45 version sounds almost like a rushed edit at that point. |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 10:38am
| Yes, the 12" has the longer oh-oh-oh break. The 12" version was also the version used for the video, so that might be how you remember hearing it. |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 7:46pm
| Thank you, that's exactly where I heard it! During the summer of 1984 I spent Friday and Saturday nights watching Night Tracks on TBS (didn't have access to MTV), and that was one of the clips they had in high rotation. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 10:05am
| Rhino through Goldlegion is releasing a limited edition CD of Self Control with several bonus tracks including the 12" Self Control. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 11:43pm
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I've received my copy of the Laura Branigan Self Control CD reissued on Gold Legion 62392. Here's all the pertinent information regarding the Top 40 singles appearing on this disc:
Self Control (S) (4:06) (includes guitar introduction) The Lucky One (S) (4:09) Self Control (S) (5:03) (12" single version) The Lucky One (S) (5:24) (This is listed as the "John Robie Mix". I'm not aware of this extended version ever having been previously released anywhere else.) The Lucky One (S) (5:05) (This is listed as the "Jack White Mix", though I'm almost positive this is actually the 12" single version.) The CD refers to the of "The Lucky One". And for anyone wondering, the audio levels are maximized and compressed like on most modern CD releases, which may come as a disappoint to audiophiles (like myself) who are picky about sound quality. However, the tracks are transferred from master tape which does make it worth finally having the 12" single version of "Self Control" on CD! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 11:46pm
| Paul, did you order this directly from Gold Legion? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 12:21am
| Yes, Brian. By the way, I think there's a general misconception by some that the Gold Legion reissue of Self Control is only a limited pressing of 1,000 copies. My understanding is that the first 1,000 copies will come with a limited edition cardboard slip and that all subsequent copies will not. (Mine did come with one and in my humble opinion it really doesn't bring anything of added value to this release. The slip is simply nothing more than a redundant printing of the front and back album cover.) |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 8:28pm
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I would have liked to have seen the 45 version of "Self
Control" without the guitar intro included on this new release. My guess that will never get an official domestic CD release now. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 10:39pm
If you need a custom edited version, feel free to PM me. IMO, it's not a loss that the "Edit" version is not on CD. It's really bad sounding. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Smokin' TomGary
Date Posted: 20 May 2013 at 6:34pm
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I have two Atlantic blue label promo 45's:
Deadwax ST-A46368-1 on both sides, listed as "Edit" with a printed time of 3:50; actual 3:53, Stereo both sides (7-89676) Deadwax ST-A-46164-1 and ST-A-46164-2. Printed time 4:08; actual 3:56 Stereo both sides (7-89676). Additional deadwax says "Mastered at Allen Zentz L.A. Calif." |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 1:55pm
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I know this has been one of the most frequently resurrected threads on the forum, but I've finally been able to listen to several vinyl LP copies of Laura Branigan's "Self Control". The LP run time is 4:06 and all copies I've heard contain the guitar introduction.
So unless someone can report coming across an LP copy without the guitar intro, then a case can be made that all database CDs running 4:05-4:06 could accurately be described as: "LP length, which includes guitar introduction". |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 10:48pm
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Agreed, Todd. I don't think there is likely to be a copy of the LP with the guitar intro edited out. It looks like Pat has already updated the database to include "LP length" for 4:06 CD entries. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |