"Have You Seen Her" - Chi-Lites
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Topic: "Have You Seen Her" - Chi-Lites
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: "Have You Seen Her" - Chi-Lites
Date Posted: 27 July 2007 at 3:11pm
| Based on information provided in the database, it can be deducted that the 45 and LP of The Chi-Lites' "Have You Seen Her" run 5:08. Given that this song became a big hit in 1971, I suspect most radio programmers back then would have deemed this run time too lengthy for a Top 40 format. That said, do any of our esteemed veteran DJs and promo 45 experts know if a shorter edit or length of "Have You Seen Her" was supplied to radio stations, especially on the AM side? If so, what is the promo 45 run time(s)? |
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Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 28 July 2007 at 6:17am
| I have searched high and low for an edit on that one but I don't remember hearing one, and I have yet to find one. Early fades at radio or home made edits are all that I am aware of. DJ copies that I have seen are full length. I'm still looking though. |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 25 January 2013 at 6:56am
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I thought of this old topic today when I heard this song.
Wasn't there a radio edit that took out all the speaking parts? Maybe I'm imaging this. ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 January 2013 at 7:38am
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bwolfe, are you asking here is if a promo 45 "radio edit" ever existed as an
instrumental? (By you saying "radio edit that took out all the speaking parts?") Personally, I can't imagine why Brunswick would ever create such a version. Why would radio want one? And even if the label was going for a "Soulful Strut, redux" (which removed Barbara Acklin's vocals from a 1968 45 release called "Am I The Same Girl"), the label added piano to the Acklin instrumental track, prior to its 45 release.) The answer: No Did you mean to ask the opposite? As in, "Wasn't there a radio edit that took out all the instrumental parts? The answer: No Both my promo and stock 45s include the same version. Any song running over 5:00 in 1971 would surely be a candidate for creation of a possible "in-house radio edit version." However, I have never heard one. |
Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 25 January 2013 at 10:02am
| I presume that bwolfe is referring to one of the narritive sections...perhaps the one at about the 3:50 mark. After that narrative, at about the 4:15 mark, the song is basically one long fadeout to 5:08, so it could be dumped most anytime after that |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 26 January 2013 at 9:09am
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I do remember hearing a version of this where the spoken
narrative at the beginning was shortened. This was on a station that used one of the Drake-Chenault formats ("Solid Gold" I think), so I suspect that it was a D-C edit. There were many custom edits in that format. There were a lot of songs in the early-mid 70s like this one that had what I called the "infinite fade"...made it easy to backtime to network news. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 19 February 2013 at 7:17pm
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The Brunswick DJ 45 is full length and Stereo. Flip side is identical to a stock copy. Checked several station archives in depth to find out. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 5:53pm
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Over half of the database entries for this song state "contains extra instrumentation not found on the 45 or LP".
Can someone please tell me what and where this extra instrumentation is, please? My only copy of this song is lifted from a CD that is not listed in the database and I am trying to identify whether it's the correct 45 version or not. Thanks in advance. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 6:44pm
Listen to the first verse narration: One month ago today I was happy as a lark But now I go for walks To the movies maybe to the park You know that fuzz guitar during the intro? On the 45 and LP version, it stops playing just before the beginning of this verse. On the "extra instrumentation" version, the fuzz guitar plays all the way through the above four lines, although it gradually bows out during the fourth one, then is silent for the remainder of the verse. |
Bwci Bo wrote:Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 7:03pm
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Thanks Yah Sure.
Is the fuzz guitar gone completely during the first verse narration? Or is it just mixed down lower, yet still audible? I've had a listen to a couple of vinyl 45s on YouTube and the guitar is still present on those. Unless I am missing something here? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 8:08pm
Yes. It is completely gone before the word "one" is uttered.
What you're describing here would actually be the "extra instrumentation" version. Here's the 45/LP version* without any fuzz guitar during the first verse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mKAp_CBnsc And here's the "extra instrumentation" version with the subdued fuzz guitar playing (in the left channel) through the first four lines of the first verse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVYxKRXDT2I * = At least on my vinyl copies, the channels are reversed between the 45 and LP. The fuzz guitar during the intro is in the right channel (with the delayed reverb in the left) on the Brunswick stock 45 (as confirmed in the youtube clip with the 45 label shown), but it's in the left channel (with the delayed reverb in the right) on the Brunswick LP (For God's Sake) Give More Power To The People. There seems to be more than enough fuzziness to go around! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 8:37pm
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For the record, I hear absolutely no fuzz guitar on the MC Hammer version ;-) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 9:01pm
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The examples were really helpful. I can hear the difference between the two very clearly now.
My sole copy appears to be the version with extra instrumentation. Thanks for your help, Yah Sure! I really appreciate it.
*chuckle* |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 24 September 2014 at 9:41pm
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Bwci Bo: Glad to help!
Aaron: You know, upon closer examination, I'm hearing MC Hammer in the middle channel of both the Brunswick stock 45 and LP versions. Would that technically be extra extra "instrumentation" or would it... Let me listen again. Oops, sorry. It was just the tinnitus. ;) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 25 September 2014 at 11:16pm
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In every copy of the 45/LP version on CD I've heard,
right before the narration, "one month ago today" The narration starts in the right channel "one month.." then the full narration is centered starting with the "one month ago today... Was this a mastering error? False cue for the beginning of the narration? Was it like that on the 45? Am I crazy, lol? (wait, don't answer the last question.) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 26 September 2014 at 5:49am
No.
Could be. I've always thought it sounded like tape bleed-through.
Yes, it's on both the Brunswick 45 and the original (For God's Sake)... LP.
A little late to be pleading the fifth, don't you think? :) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 December 2018 at 12:06pm
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I think that the "extra instrumentation" versions may actually be the UK 45 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5jH1UWNQXo - Here's a YouTube video that shows the UK 45 and plays the "extra instrumentation" version with vinyl artifacts. The video doesn't show the needle being dropped on the actual Brunswick 45 from the UK, but at least the vinyl artifacts show that the "extra instrumentation" was released on vinyl somewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqfzyrotcHI - Here's another YouTube video that shows that the "extra instrumentation" version appears on a US 45. It's a US rerelease on Eric Records, with the Eric logo at 9 o'clock and the Brunswick label at 12 o'clock. I'll trace the mastering history. (possibly) UK 45 version (about 5:09) The (possibly) UK 45 version is in stereo, with the opening fuzz guitar note being primarily in the left channel. At 0:30, after the line "one month ago today", there is a prominent ascending fuzz guitar riff in the left channel. The first appearance on CD is probably on Sony's Seems Like Yesterday Vol. 1 (1989). This disc has the left and right channels reversed, fades early to 4:55, and is compressed around -6 dB. There's a digital clone on Madacy's Rock On 1971 (1996), which is digitally exactly 1.5 dB louder. Avoid both of these. The first proper appearance on CD is Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1971 (1990). It sounds great here - excellent source tapes, nice dynamic range, full EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction. The same analog transfer is used on:
Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 6 (1991) runs 1.2% too fast and fades early, even accounting for the speed error. Not sure what happened here to warrant a speed error and an early fade, but here it is. The same analog transfer is used on these Rhino promo CDs:
The US 45 is stereo, with the opening fuzz guitar note being primarily in the right channel. At 0:30, after the line "one month ago today", there is no fuzz guitar. The first appearance of the US 45 version on CD is on Rhino's Chi-Lites Greatest Hits (1992). It sounds great here - excellent source tapes, nice dynamic range, full EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction. The same analog transfer is used on:
For the (possibly) UK 45 version, go with Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1971 (1990). For the US 45 version, go with Rhino's Chi-Lites Greatest Hits (1992) or Rhino's Billboard Hot Soul Hits 1971 (1995). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 01 January 2019 at 5:00am
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Does anybody have "The Chi-Lites Greatest Hits" from 1972? I'm wondering if the extra fuzz guitar originated from
that issue. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 01 January 2019 at 10:01am
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To Ron & Bill:
I do not own the first 'Greatest Hits' LP from '72 with sixteen tracks. But I do own the different 1983 'Greatest Hits' vinyl LP with ten tracks. This contains the "extra fuzz guitar" version. It was the first time I had ever heard it, although it certainly could have existed prior. Andy |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 15 November 2022 at 8:42pm
So just to clarify, there is a US promo version on 45cat that has a listed time of (3:41). Whether that's actual I do not know. Is (3:41) the listed time on your promo, Kent? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 5:47am
There is a listing on Discogs for a https://www.discogs.com/release/4588331-The-Chi-Lites-Featuring-Gene-Record-Have-You-Seen-Her - 3:39 version of this from 1980 . I don't know anything about it...edit or remake? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 6:55am
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The 1980 version is a remake:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F8z1kuIUBJ4 ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 12:53pm
In general, I'm not a fan of artists re-making their own songs at a later date. However, this one has enough originality in it to make it palatable. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 4:17pm
While I'm thinking about it, here's a link to the 1971 promo on 45cat: https://www.45cat.com/record/55463 Doesn't appear that anyone's posted it on YouTube. WLS in Chicago played an edit of the 45 (assuming it was custom) stripping out from (1:51) to (3:14) then fading early by about 20 seconds. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 6:46pm
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Definitely looks like a genuine 1971 promo 45. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 20 December 2022 at 2:06pm
The Brunswick promo is 3:41. Also have the 3:39 listed on Discogs, but it's also a 1980 re-recording on 20th Century Fox. I know of station edits of the original Brunswick, but the label never serviced them. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |