Glass Tiger 45 versions
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Topic: Glass Tiger 45 versions
Posted By: Pat Downey
Subject: Glass Tiger 45 versions
Date Posted: 20 April 2005 at 2:57pm
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Just picked up the latest Glass Tiger compilation of hits titled "No Turning Back", Capitol 64203 released in early March 2005. The track lineup on the cd jacket adds the following comments for these 4 top 40 hits:
Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone) single mix Someday single version I Will Be There single version I'm Still Searching single version "I'm Still Searching" is indeed a 45 version which I had not caught before but the other 3 songs do not appear to my ears to be any different than the LP version so can anyone point out any edits or remixes on those 3 songs that warrant a comment like the comments found on the tray card of the cd? |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 April 2005 at 9:20pm
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Pat:
On my "45/single/LP version distinctions..." thread, I noted the LP version of "I Will Be There" runs 3:26, but Joel Whitburn reports a commercial single run time of 3:08. Meanwhile, www.allmusic.com lists the song's run time on the No Turning Back CD at 3:11. This seems to suggest the 45 version has a shorter run time than the LP version. Do you have a copy of the 45 and, if so, how long does it run? |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 21 April 2005 at 6:23am
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Todd, the cd (or LP version) of "I Will Be There" does indeed run 3:26 and although I don't have the 45 of this song, Whitburn does list it as running 3:08 and on the "No Turning Back" cd it runs 3:09, I will assume that 3:08 is really the 45 timing BUT this 3:09 appearance on the "No Turning Back" cd is just an early fade of the LP version. My question is, since the cd jacket states that this is a single "version" what makes this appearance a 45 "version" rather than a 45 "length" as other than the early fade of the LP version, I hear no difference in the mix. For the other 2 songs I am asking about, I am questioning the statement on the cd jacket of "single mix" or "single version" as well since their running times are identical to the LP version. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 21 April 2005 at 8:15am
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Pat:
As you know, we being die-hard collectors, we're very particular about the standards we use in classifying a recording as "45 version", "45 length", "LP version, "LP length", and so forth. We also know record labels unfortunately tend to be not as careful about this sort of thing. The folks who compiled the Glass Tiger No Turning Back CD may very well think of "single version" as any song identically matching its commercial 45 release, regardless if the 45 is merely an early fade of the LP version. That being said, it seems very possible, even likely, that "I Will Be There" is really the "single length" despite the tray card's claim of "single version". Hopefully, someone here has a vinyl 45 who can confirm this. (Ed?) As for "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" and "Someday", I'll do my best to purchase a copy of the No Turning Back disc within the next couple of days so I can perform a precise A/B comparison with the LP versions and see if there are any distinguishable differences. I'll report back what I find. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 22 April 2005 at 11:19pm
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I just got my copy of the Glass Tiger No Turning Back CD today. After doing some A/B comparisons on my Adobe Audition 1.5 software, I have concluded that "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" and "Someday", which are stated to be the single versions on this CD, are identical to the LP versions. I found no differences whatsoever.
Regarding "I Will Be There", I did an A/B comparison between the 3:09 version on the No Turning Back disc and the 3:26 LP version. On the LP version, Glass Tiger's lead singer Alan Frew and guest vocalist Bryan Adams take turns on lead vocals beginning at the 1:29 mark. But on the 3:09 version, Alan Frew sings lead throughout the entire song while Bryan Adams is not on the recording at all except at the 2:08 mark where he's heard yelling "YEAH!" just like on the LP version. I consulted Edtop40 on this and he says his commercial vinyl 45 copy matches my preceding description of the 3:09 version on the No Turning Back CD. Therefore, "I Will Be There" on this disc is the 45 version and is not just an early fade of the LP version. Finally, "I'm Still Searching" on the No Turning Back disc is actually a radio edit, not the 45 version. The 45 and LP version are the same. I have the promo CD for this song on EMI-Manhattan DPRO 04011 and reviewed it on the "DJ edit additions..." thread a while back. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 04 January 2022 at 6:16pm
Does anyone know the story why Bryan Adams' vocals were removed from the single version? Just like with "Don't Forget Me When I'm Gone" it would seem having some star power could only help its success. I tried Googling, but couldn't find any info about it. |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 05 January 2022 at 9:28am
My guess is A&M didn't want a competing Brian Adams vocal line on the radio at that time (for oversaturation reasons) and asked EMI if they could rework the single (or not release it). This happened occasionally back then, e.g. "The Monkey Time" by The Tubes had Martha Davis's vocal replaced by Michele Gray to avoid competing with Motels' hits. Another hypothesis is the band wanted to not continue to be in the shadow of a superstar and have their 3rd single feature Adams like their first... Andy |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 26 February 2025 at 2:31pm
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Does anyone know what the name of this instrumental version
with a cold ending of "Someday"? Was it released on some 12" vinyl or CD? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-LmtcTC_g ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 03 March 2025 at 4:00am
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Hi, Marcelo:
According to the notes printed underneath the video on the YouTube page, it seems to suggest that this particular instrumental/dub version of "Someday" may have come from a deluxe anniversary edition release of Glass Tiger's Thin Red Line CD issued in Canada in 2012. Until now, I was never even aware of this release! In fact, one of its most appealing selling points, in my opinion, is that it contains the band's two biggest hits, "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" and "Someday", as extended 12" single versions, which evidently were released in Canada and throughout Europe but not in the U.S. The good news is, you can purchase the entire album and/or individual tracks from it as lossless audio files on Qobuz. (Man, I just love this site!): https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/the-thin-red-line-glass-tiger/v3fqmkc4kcnlb - https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/the-thin-red-line-glass-ti ger/v3fqmkc4kcnlb Now, while looking up this CD release on Discogs, I happened to run across another rather fascinating discovery that I'd like to bring up with the rest of the message board community... The Thin Red Line deluxe edition contains what is billed as the "Single Mix" of "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)", in addition to what can only be described as the "original album mix", I guess. As one can go back and read, twenty years ago, when Pat first initiated this message thread and inquired about whether the so-called "Single Mix" on Glass Tiger's No Turning Back CD was different from the one on the band's Thin Red Line disc, I did an A/B comparison and could detect no difference at the time. Pat agreed, and so we put the issue to rest. Fast forward to the present time when I happen to be scanning the reviews for Glass Tiger's Thin Red Line deluxe anniversary CD release, and noticed that someone had commented that he, too, could not discern a difference between the so-called "Single Mix" and album mix of "Don't Forget Me". But then a user named "EternalStatic" replied with the following comment: "I have compared these two tracks on headphones and while they are extremely similar, there are mix differences. Same basic tracks, but one way to tell them apart is that the Single Mix has a hi-hat riding during the entire song that is either not present in the album version or mixed much lower." https://www.discogs.com/master/137829-Glass-Tiger-The-Thin-Red-Line - https://www.discogs.com/master/137829-Glass-Tiger-The-Thin-R ed-Line Well, now that I'm listening more closely this time, it kinda does appear that the hi-hat cymbal may be mixed further up into the mix on the so-called "Single Mix", compared to the album mix. Yet, I can't tell for certain if this may simply be nothing more than an EQ difference. If it's the latter, then I think we all can agree that such a minor discrepancy should not qualify for a "45/LP mix" comment in the database. Also, something else to consider... Is it possible that this "Single Mix", if it is indeed distinctly different from the album mix, was what was issued on commercial 45 in Canada, but not in the U.S. where the album mix might have used instead? I would be interested to hear thoughts from others who are willing to weigh in and conduct an A/B comparison of their own. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 March 2025 at 11:21pm
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"EternalStatic" is a member of the community here so I'm
sure he might be able to chime in more about Glass Tiger. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 March 2025 at 5:33am
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I compared the LP mix to the single mix, both from the 2012 2-CD reissue of the Thin Red Line.
The hi-hat is indeed a tiny bit more prominent in the single mix. I think it's probably an EQ difference, though, because the fade on the single mix has a lot more high-frequency hiss than the fade on the LP mix. I couldn't pin down any other elements that are different between the two mixes. The two are not digital clones of each other, and don't stay in synch throughout the song. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 05 March 2025 at 12:06am
| I agree with your analysis, Ron, and it pretty much mirrors my observations from 20 years ago. One deciding factor I often use when trying to determine if a song should warrant a 45/LP version discrepancy is asking myself if I can readily identify which version I'm listening to on a standalone basis. In other words, if you were to randomly select one of the two tracks of "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" to play for me, I highly doubt that I could listen to the track and definitively say: "Yep, that's the 45 version" (or LP version, whichever the case may be). So, in conclusion, I don't think there's enough here to conclusively warrant a 45/LP version designation for this particular song. I'd still be interested to hear from others who wish to weigh in. |