Carpenters-"Close To You"
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Topic: Carpenters-"Close To You"
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Carpenters-"Close To You"
Date Posted: 14 March 2007 at 6:42pm
| Both my commercial 45 (which is stereo), and my promo 45 (which is mono), have a listed time of (3:40), but both have an actual time of (3:36). The only database CD currently listing this time, and not the much more common (3:39-3:40) length, is on the remastered edition of "Singles 1969-73." To my ear, I am 99% sure that the 45 has simply been sped up, which likely accounts for this time difference. |
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 12:50pm
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and a good ear you have, Jim. After listening to the 45 dub you gratiously emailed me, I agree it was sped up! yet another Carpenters anomaly resolved! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 31 December 2011 at 2:06pm
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in addition to the speed issue...the intro on the cd
versions are in the wrong channel as compared to the vinyl 45...the vinyl 45 has the piano intro in the right channel while cd versions from "classics vol 2" and "singles" have the into in the left channel.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 01 January 2012 at 11:10pm
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Well, it's no secret that Richard Carpenter
constantly tinkered with all of the Carpenters material since the dawn of the CD age... ------------- |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 02 January 2012 at 1:14pm
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I know its a pipe dream, but I would love to see a domestic true singles collection of the Carpenters.
If not there's always vinyl! Happy New Year gentlemen! ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: AaronsAmazing
Date Posted: 25 April 2025 at 10:51pm
| I own the non-hit 1991 remix (originally created for a karaoke album) on the 2005 Chronicles reissue of Carpenters Gold. It sounds like Richard Carpenter had to work with an incomplete multitrack, because a few musical elements aren't present. This particular mix is a known anomaly of mine, due to it likely being the basis of the crude rendition from Sony Pictures Animation's Open Season 2, and it doesn't take a detective to figure out what happened there. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 7:05am
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I'm wondering if the database song versions should be cleaned up to be a little clearer. Currently, I see the following on different CDs: LP version single version single version; remixed remixed single version Unless there were 45s in 1970 that contain the remix, I think the CDs that have a remix should not say "single version." Should this just say "neither 45 nor LP version" or should it be described some other way? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 8:41am
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Aaron - I can clarify even further. The LP version runs 4:33. The piano flourishes around 1:13 are in both channels. The single version is just the LP version faded to 3:37. The piano flourishes around 1:13 are in both channels. Note that A&M's Classics Vol. 2 (1987) comes close, by fading the LP version to 3:42. The non-hit 1991 remix runs 3:41. The piano flourishes around 1:13 are in only the left channel. Compared to the LP/single mix, the 1991 remix has a heavier bass and kick drum plus added reverb. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 9:40am
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Should all the song versions on CD be summarized as follows: LP length single length single length but :05 longer 1991 remix ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 11:17am
That seems clear to me. |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 1:42pm
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Not to throw more fuel to the fire, but the long version is really the "original LP length", as subsequent (and most) LP pressings included the faded earlier version (mine did). And remember, the 45 is faded early, but is sped up. I don't know, is the shorter LP the same speed as the 45? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 7:10pm
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I found a YouTube video of someone playing the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jK3Dsoz4s" rel="nofollow - UK 45 . The UK 45 runs 3:50. The UK 45 runs the same speed as the LP version, out to the same length as the LP version (without the coda). I also found a YouTube video of a nice dub of the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQBUlUapkE0" rel="nofollow - US 45 . Compared to the LP version, the US 45 is sped up by 3.0% and faded early. The fade starts in the little flute section (around 3:30 in the LP version, around 3:24 in the sped-up US 45 version) and ends just after Karen sings the last "you" (around 3:40 in the LP version, around 3:33 in the sped-up US 45 version). Interestingly, The Complete Singles starts and ends the fade at the correct clock times, but because it runs at the LP speed and isn't sped up by 3%, the fades occur earlier in the song than they should. I'm thinking that the designations should be: uncommon original LP version (includes coda that runs out to 4:33) more common LP version from later pressings and UK 45 version (same as original LP version but lacks coda and runs out to 3:50) various "LP version faded early" - numerous and all a little different from one another US 45 version (same mix as LP version but sped up by 3.0% and faded early, runs 3:33) non-hit 1991 remix (runs 3:41) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 8:11pm
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Thanks for all your detective work, Ron! One minor clarification before we make the updates in the database, for consistency perhaps should we use "LP length & speed" rather than "LP version"? It's a bummer that they got it wrong on The Complete Singles. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 8:30pm
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How about "LP speed and length" to denote the 4:33 versions (plus or minus a few seconds)? The 3:40-ish versions with the original mix would be "LP speed, faded early" or "LP speed and mix, faded early". I have no strong opinions one way or the other, as long as it's clear that these are just the same as the LP version, but faded way early. "US 45 speed and length" would be great, but it doesn't exist on CD. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 8:39pm
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Aha! Just determined that the versions on Classics Vol. 2 (1987) and The Singles 1969-1973 (?) have the same fade points as the US 45, but just run at the LP speed. Maybe these are "US 45 fade but at LP speed"? You can get the true US 45 version, at the proper speed and with the proper fade, by speeding either of these two CDs up by 3.2%. (Now "US 45 fade at US 45 speed") ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 01 May 2025 at 5:18pm
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So, is the US 45 3:33 or 3:36? Yes, that guy (with the intro)'s 45 fades with "you" at 3:33, but is it the correct speed or too fast? Check this dub out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21oJhyE1J20" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21oJhyE1J20 It's 3:36. Jim had stated 3:36, and we always trusted him, right? I'm going with this. Shame the Singles collection messed up, but glad we can make our own version from the sources stated by Ron. I believe the faded early LP version is the 3:40. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 May 2025 at 8:55pm
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I discovered the same thing that Dave did: the speed of the particular dub I found may not be quite right. I found a dub from "Mr. M" that runs about 1.2% or 1.3% faster than the LP version. A far cry from the 3% that I initially found from the earlier YouTube dub. I had trouble getting David's highlighted video to download, so I can't get a decent number for you. All of the 45 dubs seem to have the same fade points as Classics Vol. 2, which is good. We just need to find the actual speed of the 45. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 May 2025 at 11:35am
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I got it to download. The video David found (link is two posts above) runs 1.6% faster than Classics Vol. 2. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 May 2025 at 1:23pm
Also of note, David's video from Scratchy45s runs the same speed, within a fraction of a second, as Bob Moke's dub of the mono promo 45: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk-r-D8S9q8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk-r-D8S9q8 So the actual 45 runtime appears to be just barely 3:37. Between 3:36.8 and 3:37. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 May 2025 at 4:43pm
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Bob Moke's dub of the mono promo 45 runs 1.6% faster than Classics Vol. 2. I believe we've found our value, which I will announce using the size feature in our forum's formatting: 1.6% Yup. So that leaves the following versions:
------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 04 May 2025 at 5:20am
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Ron, I concur with *most* of the above. I found a UK 45 playing on YT, and it does include the first bit of the coda, up to when the drums kick in (3:51). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jK3Dsoz4s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jK3Dsoz4s I had the vinyl LP, and I don't recall that bit being on it. I found an LP playing on YT - can't verify from what country, but it fades at the same point as the 45 before the coda begins (but of course, is slower - 3:41). Perhaps this last bit needs confirming. Wow! SO much effort into ONE song, from 55 years ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsmVNqikRU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsmVNqikRU ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 May 2025 at 6:34am
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In digging around on YouTube, it seemed that first pressings of the LP (A&M tan label) ran out to the full 4:33-ish length, while rereleases (A&M silver label) faded early to the 3:51-ish length. I never owned the vinyl myself, and can’t confirm 100%. They’re the same performance, just faded to different points. In the full 4:33 performance, you can hear someone tapping (drummer Hal Blaine?) in the silent portion to start the reprise. The last ten seconds of the 3:51 version is just low-volume noodling, so the difference between the 3:41-ish US 45 lengths (before speeding up) and the 3:51-ish LP/UK 45 versions is just the low-volume noodling. Is that consistent with what you found? ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: sheardbeard
Date Posted: 04 May 2025 at 2:36pm
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This site is a great resource for finding all Carpenters songs and where all their various versions and mixes can be found: https://carpenters.amcorner.com/albums-and-songs/song-listing-alphabetical" rel="nofollow - https://carpenters.amcorner.com/albums-and-songs/song-listing-alphabetical According to that site, about 99% of their commercial US 45 mixes/lengths are included in the PBS-exclusive CD collection from 2015: "Carpenters - The Complete Singles". Here is the link to that collection: https://carpenters.amcorner.com/album/carpenters-the-complete-singles" rel="nofollow - https://carpenters.amcorner.com/album/carpenters-the-complete-singles
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 May 2025 at 4:16pm
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It is indeed a terrific resource, and is what I used to determine that the remix was done in 1991 and what to listen for. But we uncover surprises here, like discovering that the 3:41 versions are just the 45 fade at LP speed, and the Complete Singles set is incorrect for this track. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 05 May 2025 at 6:15am
Can't speak for the silver label LP, but I have the tan label one, and it's the full 4:33 version. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 05 May 2025 at 10:38am
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Yeah, I too have that site bookmarked, and used it to determine when and where the multitude of (Richard) Carpenter remixes were issued. It's not 100% accurate, however, as it does list all those CDs with the 45, but not! ------------- dc1 |