Carpenters-"Close To You"
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Topic: Carpenters-"Close To You"
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Carpenters-"Close To You"
Date Posted: 14 March 2007 at 6:42pm
| Both my commercial 45 (which is stereo), and my promo 45 (which is mono), have a listed time of (3:40), but both have an actual time of (3:36). The only database CD currently listing this time, and not the much more common (3:39-3:40) length, is on the remastered edition of "Singles 1969-73." To my ear, I am 99% sure that the 45 has simply been sped up, which likely accounts for this time difference. |
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 12:50pm
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and a good ear you have, Jim. After listening to the 45 dub you gratiously emailed me, I agree it was sped up! yet another Carpenters anomaly resolved! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 31 December 2011 at 2:06pm
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in addition to the speed issue...the intro on the cd
versions are in the wrong channel as compared to the vinyl 45...the vinyl 45 has the piano intro in the right channel while cd versions from "classics vol 2" and "singles" have the into in the left channel.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 01 January 2012 at 11:10pm
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Well, it's no secret that Richard Carpenter
constantly tinkered with all of the Carpenters material since the dawn of the CD age... ------------- |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 02 January 2012 at 1:14pm
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I know its a pipe dream, but I would love to see a domestic true singles collection of the Carpenters.
If not there's always vinyl! Happy New Year gentlemen! ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: AaronsAmazing
Date Posted: 25 April 2025 at 10:51pm
| I own the non-hit 1991 remix (originally created for a karaoke album) on the 2005 Chronicles reissue of Carpenters Gold. It sounds like Richard Carpenter had to work with an incomplete multitrack, because a few musical elements aren't present. This particular mix is a known anomaly of mine, due to it likely being the basis of the crude rendition from Sony Pictures Animation's Open Season 2, and it doesn't take a detective to figure out what happened there. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 7:05am
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I'm wondering if the database song versions should be cleaned up to be a little clearer. Currently, I see the following on different CDs: LP version single version single version; remixed remixed single version Unless there were 45s in 1970 that contain the remix, I think the CDs that have a remix should not say "single version." Should this just say "neither 45 nor LP version" or should it be described some other way? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 8:41am
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Aaron - I can clarify even further. The LP version runs 4:33. The piano flourishes around 1:13 are in both channels. The single version is just the LP version faded to 3:37. The piano flourishes around 1:13 are in both channels. Note that A&M's Classics Vol. 2 (1987) comes close, by fading the LP version to 3:42. The non-hit 1991 remix runs 3:41. The piano flourishes around 1:13 are in only the left channel. Compared to the LP/single mix, the 1991 remix has a heavier bass and kick drum plus added reverb. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 9:40am
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Should all the song versions on CD be summarized as follows: LP length single length single length but :05 longer 1991 remix ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 11:17am
That seems clear to me. |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 28 April 2025 at 1:42pm
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Not to throw more fuel to the fire, but the long version is really the "original LP length", as subsequent (and most) LP pressings included the faded earlier version (mine did). And remember, the 45 is faded early, but is sped up. I don't know, is the shorter LP the same speed as the 45? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 7:10pm
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I found a YouTube video of someone playing the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jK3Dsoz4s" rel="nofollow - UK 45 . The UK 45 runs 3:50. The UK 45 runs the same speed as the LP version, out to the same length as the LP version (without the coda). I also found a YouTube video of a nice dub of the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQBUlUapkE0" rel="nofollow - US 45 . Compared to the LP version, the US 45 is sped up by 3.0% and faded early. The fade starts in the little flute section (around 3:30 in the LP version, around 3:24 in the sped-up US 45 version) and ends just after Karen sings the last "you" (around 3:40 in the LP version, around 3:33 in the sped-up US 45 version). Interestingly, The Complete Singles starts and ends the fade at the correct clock times, but because it runs at the LP speed and isn't sped up by 3%, the fades occur earlier in the song than they should. I'm thinking that the designations should be: uncommon original LP version (includes coda that runs out to 4:33) more common LP version from later pressings and UK 45 version (same as original LP version but lacks coda and runs out to 3:50) various "LP version faded early" - numerous and all a little different from one another US 45 version (same mix as LP version but sped up by 3.0% and faded early, runs 3:33) non-hit 1991 remix (runs 3:41) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 8:11pm
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Thanks for all your detective work, Ron! One minor clarification before we make the updates in the database, for consistency perhaps should we use "LP length & speed" rather than "LP version"? It's a bummer that they got it wrong on The Complete Singles. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 8:30pm
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How about "LP speed and length" to denote the 4:33 versions (plus or minus a few seconds)? The 3:40-ish versions with the original mix would be "LP speed, faded early" or "LP speed and mix, faded early". I have no strong opinions one way or the other, as long as it's clear that these are just the same as the LP version, but faded way early. "US 45 speed and length" would be great, but it doesn't exist on CD. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2025 at 8:39pm
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Aha! Just determined that the versions on Classics Vol. 2 (1987) and The Singles 1969-1973 (?) have the same fade points as the US 45, but just run at the LP speed. Maybe these are "US 45 fade but at LP speed"? You can get the true US 45 version, at the proper speed and with the proper fade, by speeding either of these two CDs up by 3.2%. (Now "US 45 fade at US 45 speed") ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |