Buchanan Brothers-"Medicine Man"
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Topic: Buchanan Brothers-"Medicine Man"
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Buchanan Brothers-"Medicine Man"
Date Posted: 07 March 2007 at 9:17pm
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My commercial 45 has a listed time of (2:58), but an actual time of (2:52). This version is currently unavailable on a domestic CD, according to the database.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 12:08am
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Indeed, Jim, this is a song I've been searching for a while on CD. Has anyone managed to come across "Medicine Man (Part I)" on an import disc?
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Posted By: Chris Quinn
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 3:14am
FYI, Medicine Man Pt.1, Pt.2, and followup single Son Of
A Lovin' Man are all available on CD from Collector's
Choice Music in Illinois. When you go to their website,
just search under Buchanan Brothers in the Artist category. The CD is just under 12 bucks.
Chris Quinn
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 10:07pm
Ah, yes... You are correct, Chris. I should've clarified though that I'm looking for the 45 version which doesn't have the ending of another song tracking over the intro like on the LP.
I do have the Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials: The 60's CD (Varese Sarabande 5705). The database indicates that "Medicine Man" on this CD is "neither the 45 or LP version". Does anyone know if this version can be edited down to match the 45? Or can the intro at least be taken off this copy and spliced in place of the segued intro on the LP? I don't have an actual vinyl 45 copy to compare.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 11:36pm
Pat:
The database reports the Buchanan Brothers' Medicine Man CD (Collectables 0599) contains the LP version of the title track, but the previous selection tracks over the introduction just like on the vinyl LP. So this makes me wonder... Is the version of "Medicine Man" on Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials: The 60's CD (Varese Sarabande 5705) actually identical to the LP version, minus the previous selection overlapping the song's intro?
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 11:45pm
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Todd, that is my current understanding. There is definitely NO overlap on the Bartley CD's intro of the song. I'd be happy to shoot you out a 45 dub, if you'd like to compare and contrast the 45/CD versions.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 8:14am
Jim:
Yes sir, please send me a 45 dub at your convenience. I'd also like to see if the 45 version can be edited down from the Bartley CD. I'll gladly report back here with my findings!
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Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:53am
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45 version fades out on pt. 1 and fades back in on part II... the bartley version has the correct intro, but ends cold and had different vocals than the 45... i'm no expert here, but i'd hazard a guess to say the 45 cannot be re-created from bartley... also, 45 on event records, is mono...
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Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 11:56am
Here is an interesting thing I found. Someone on e-Bay is selling "Medicine Man" on a different label (Canadian) and the label says Part 1 is 3:25. The US Event label says 2:58 and has kind of a funny fade. Maybe they let it go longer and faded it during the chorus? Here it is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Buchanan-Brothers-45-Medicine-Man-Part-1 -2-1969-VG_W0QQitemZ270166716527QQihZ017QQcategoryZ306QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 December 2007 at 5:00pm
Pat:
I was wondering if you could please look into whether the version of "Medicine Man" on Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials: The 60's CD (Varese Sarabande 5705) is identical to the LP version on the Medicine Man CD (Collectables 0599), except for the previous selection overlapping the LP intro? If you're too busy to check into this, I'm wondering if you or another board member would kindly e-mail me a dub of the version on the Medicine Man CD for comparison purposes? Thanks!
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 1:28pm
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Todd, the version of "Medicine Man" on the Dick Bartley cd is not the same as the version found on the Collectables cd. The Collectables cd not only has overlap on the introduction but it fades in while the Bartley cd starts at full volume, runs too slow and ends cold while the 45 fades out.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 2:34pm
This is gonna be a strange question, but would you expect anything less? :)
Does anyone know what the opening lyric is (whether it's "comatose" or something else)?
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Doug
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 9:45pm
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I always thought it was "come-a-close"...
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 11:02pm
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Thanks for the clarification, Pat!
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 September 2011 at 1:23pm
OK, I'm confused about something else. I have the 45 version from Skyline, and another version that runs (3:11).
This (3:11) version fades in at the start, but the fade-in starts at what would be the (:12) mark of the 45. And it fades out (unlike the Bartley CD). And it's stereo, so I can't just tack on the mono 45 intro. (Although were I able to tack on the intro, the resulting file would time out at about (3:23), which would closely match the Canadian 45 pressing.)
So at the risk of getting a smart answer, what do I have here? :)
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 30 September 2011 at 10:41pm
Ok,
from my recollection of this, the LP and 45 versions were
edited and re-arranged from the session tape.
I believe the "neither" version which is on the Bartley
CD, .....and also appears on The Very Best Of Cashman &
West (they own they're own masters) .... that this is
the song as it was recorded.
They remixed it for CD release.
The original hit version, both 45 and LP, i think use
the "come-a-close" section from later in the song as the
fade-in for the song, instead of the intro you hear on
the remix.
If this is true, all one need do is compare the intro and
the later sections, and re-edit it to match.
If i am wrong... then,
nevermind. :-)
-MM
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 12:46am
I always remember the 45 version starting with the bass solo like the remix, but ending with a pasted-on repeat of the "Hold On" bridge as a fade-out.
The "problem" with the remix is it's too clean sounding & can't be edited on the album mix (to attempt to creat a stereo 45 version) without sounding jarring. Editing the remix to attempt to create the 45 creates a version missing the 'great rock & roll feel' of the single & album mix.
Andy
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